SHARE AND GATHER INFORMATION.
JACKIE.
JACKIE: SUSAN LI, THANK YOU SO
MUCH.
FOR MORE ON CHINA SURVEILLANCE
OF PROTESTERS WELCOME FOX NEWS
CONTRIBUTOR BILL McGURN.
WELCOME, ALWAYS GREAT TO SEE
YOU.
YOUR TAKE FIRST THOUSAND FOOT
VIEW WHAT IS HAPPENING IN CHINA.
XI XINPING BEING BRUTAL HERE.
PEOPLE ARE STANDING UP TRYING TO
SUPPORT, SEEING SOME SUPPORT FOR
EXAMPLE, FROM CANADA.
WEAK SUPPORT HERE FROM THE
UNITED STATES.
MANY ARE SAYING WE COULD BE
STRONGER IN OUR TRANS ON
SUPPORTING PROTESTERS IN CHINA.
>> YEAH, THANK YOU, JACKIE.
I THINK WE COULD.
THE INTERESTING THING IS, LOOK,
THE ZERO COVID POLICY IS NOT
WORKING.
IT IS OBVIOUS TO EVERYONE.
AND IT INVOLVES HUGE COSTS AND
SUFFERING FOR THE CHINESE
PEOPLE.
SO A LOT OF THEM ARE JUST TIRED
OF IT BUT THE PROBLEM IS THE
PARTY CANNOT ADMIT THAT IT MADE
A MISTAKE YOU KNOW.
IT IS ALWAYS THAT IT IS SOMEONE
ELSE’S FAULT.
SO WHEN PROTESTS BREAK OUT, YES,
THEY MODERATED THE POLICIES IN
SOME CITIES BUT THEY CAN’T JUST
CORRECT IT BECAUSE THAT WOULD
DISPEL THE MYTH OF THE CCP’S
WISDOM AND BENIGN LOOKING OUT
FOR THE PEOPLE AND SO WHAT DO
THEY DO?
THEY BLAME FOREIGNERS FOR
INSTIGATING IT, NOT UNLIKE WHAT
THEY’RE DOING IN HONG KONG NOW
WHERE JIMMY LAI IS GOING TO
TRIAL AND THEY’RE ACCUSING HIM
OF LEADING A FOREIGN PLOT.
THEY CAN NEVER ADMIT THAT
ORDINARY CHINESE PEOPLE WANT
FREEDOM, DON’T LIKE SOME OF THE
POLICIES AND SO FORTH.
AND THAT HURTS THEM SOMETIMES.
JACKIE: JOINING THE CONVERSATION
AS WELL IS CONGRESSWOMAN CLAUDIA
TENNEY FROM HOUSE FOREIGN
AFFAIRS.
CONGRESSWOMAN, IT IS WONDERFUL
TO HAVE YOU AND I WAS JUST
ASKING BILL ABOUT HIS THOUSAND
FOOT VIEW WHAT HE IS SEEING
HAPPENING IN CHINA RIGHT NOW BUT
THERE IS AN ADDITIONAL ELEMENT
TO THIS, THERE IS THE APPLE
PIECE OF IT.
APPLE DOES A LOT OF PRODUCTION
IN CHINA.
IT HAS GOT COMPONENT-MAKERS
BASED THERE AS WELL, CENTRAL TO
ITS BUSINESS.
IT NEVER REALLY REORGANIZED THE
BUSINESS MODEL THE WAY SOME
OTHERS CHOSE TO DO.
HAVING SAID THAT APPLE TALKING
ABOUT THE IT WOULD, THEY ARE
ACTUALLY IN PRACTICE LIMITING
THE AIRDROP FUNCTION WHICH IS A
WAY PEOPLE SHARE INFORMATION AND
MEDIA ON THE GROUND IN CHINA.
JOHN KIRBY WAS ON THIS
AFTERNOON, BUT HE BASICALLY SAID
APPLE IS A PRIVATE COMPANY THEY
CAN’T TELL THEM WHAT TO DO.
BUT THEY HAVE NO PROBLEM, THIS
ADMINISTRATION TELLING BIG OIL
WHAT TO DO.
SO IT IS A LITTLE CONFUSING WHAT
IS HAPPENING HERE.
>> VERY DUPLICITOUS.
THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A BIG PROBLEM.
APPLE IS KOWTOWING TO THE
CHINESE LIKE THE NBA DID.
WE SEE THIS HAPPENING WITH BIG
COMPANIES.
A LOT OF MONEY TO BE MADE.
THIS FREE TRADE VERSUS FAIR
TRADE.
UNTIL PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS FREE
TRADER.
IT WAS UNFAIR THAT CHINA WAS
CHEATING.
CHINA MANIPULATING CURRENCY.
CHINA WAS USING INTELLECTUAL
PROPERTY, STEALING IT TO THE
TUNE OF HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF
DOLLARS ON ANNUAL BASIS CONTINUE
TO DO THAT.
THEY MANIPULATE OUR CHILDREN
WITH TIKTOK.
APPLE PHONES ARE POPULAR, VERY
POPULAR, EASY TO USE.
APPLE IS ALWAYS AFRAID TO LOSE
ITS PROFITS THIS IS A REAL ISSUE
THAT AMERICA NEEDS TO CONFRONT.
CHINA IS NOT JUST OUR ADVERSARY
THEY ARE OUR ENEMY, AND THEY
HAVE A GOAL OF WORLD DOMINATION
AND THEY HAVE, THEY TRY TO
MINIMIZE US TO BE THE WORLD’S
GLOBAL POWER AND ONCE THAT
HAPPENS, THE U.S. IS GOING TO BE
VERY, VERY, HAVE A VERY HARD
TIME TRYING TO FIGHT BACK ON
ISSUE.
ONCE WE SLIP AWAY IT WILL BE
HARD TO BRING THAT BACK.
JACKIE: I THINK THAT IS AN
EXCELLENT POINT.
GOVERNOR RON DESANTIS WAS ON
WITH TUCKER LAST NIGHT.
LESS’S LISTEN.
>> YOU HAVE PEOPLE IN CHINA
REALLY ENGAGED IN A NOBLE EFFORT
TO PROTEST WHICH IS BASICALLY
LENINIST RULE.
SO WHAT IS APPLE DOING WITH
THAT?
THEY ARE LIMITING THE AIRDROP FUNCTION OF THE PROTESTERS.
FUNCTION OF THE PROTESTERS.
SO THEY ARE SERVING BASE AS AS A
VASSEL TO THE CHINESE COMMUNIST
PARTY.
JACKIE: PARAPHRASING WHAT THE
CONGRESSWOMAN SAID AS WELL.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE POWER APPLE
HAS, BILL AS A TECHNOLOGY, AS A
COMPANY AND IT IS EXTRAORDINARY
BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE OUTRAGED WHAT
ELON MUSK IS DOING AT TWITTER
BUT THOSE SAME PEOPLE ARE NOT
OUTRAGED BY APPLE’S ACTIONS.
>> YEAH.
CHINA HAS EXPOSED MANY
HYPOCRISIES AS THE CONGRESSWOMAN
SAID.
THE NBA, APPLE IS QUICK TO JUMP
ON CAUSES IN THE U.S. THAT ARE
WOKE BECAUSE THERE IS NO COST
BUT WHERE THERE IS A COST, OR
WOULD BE A COST, LIKE IN CHINA,
THE NBA, APPLE, A LOT OF OTHER
BIG COMPANIES ARE SILENT AND
COMPLICIT.
BUT LET’S NOT FORGET, THE REAL
PROBLEM IS THE CCP.
THEY’RE KEEPING THEIR PEOPLE
DOWN AND THIS IDEA THAT CHINA IS
THIS STABLE SOCIETY IT SHOWS IT
IS NOT TRUE.
YOU NEVER KNOW WHEN SOMETHING
WILL BREAK OUT BECAUSE THE
PEOPLE DON’T HAVE WAYS TO
EXPRESS THEIR DISAGREEMENT WITH
THINGS.
JACKIE: YEAH.
>> SO IT IS ALWAYS A THREAT WHEN
IT BURSTS OUT, THE QUESTION IS
WILL IT SPREAD OR WILL IT FIZZLE
OUT?
JACKIE: CONGRESSWOMAN, YOU
BROUGHT UP A GREAT POINT AS
WELL, YOU MENTIONED TIKTOK.
WHAT I FIND IS SO INTERESTING
THE WAY CHINA MONITORS ITS OWN
PEOPLE.
THEY KNOW WHO IS ATTENDING A
PROTEST.
THEY CAN SEND THEM ALERT THEY’RE
ON LOCKDOWN BECAUSE THEY
ATTENDED SAY PROTEST EVEN IF
THEY DON’T SUSPECT THAT PERSON
MAY BE NECESSARILY INFECTED WITH
COVID.
HAVING SAID THAT YOU LOOK AT
TIKTOK, ITS OPERATIONS HERE IN
THIS COUNTRY AND ITS POPULARITY
HERE AS WELL.
MANY WILL TELL YOU, NO, THERE IS
SOME SORT OF A CHINESE WALL
PROTECTING THE DATA.
U.S. DATA IS NOT GOING BACK TO
CHINA.
THEY ARE NOT TRACKING US IN
ANYWAY.
THAT IS REALLY DIFFICULT TO
BELIEVE.
SENATOR MARK WARNER COMMENTED ON
THIS.
THEN I WILL GET YOUR REACTION ON
THE OTHER SIDE.
>> IF YOU GOT THE GUYS AND GALS
WHO ARE WRITING CODE, WRITING
THAT CODE IN BEIJING I FEAR THAT
NO MATTER WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT
HAVING A WALL THAT KEEPS ALL
THIS INFORMATION SOMEHOW
SEPARATE, I’M ENOUGH OF A WANT
YOU TO KNOW IF YOU’RE DOING IT
AND WRITING THE CODE YOU’RE
GOING TO GET ACCESS TO A LOT OF
THAT DATA.
SO I’M AFRAID HOW THAT
INFORMATION COULD BE POTENTIALLY
USED TO LEVERAGE PEOPLES
BEHAVIOR, TO EXPOSE THINGS THAT
ARE, THAT ARE INAPPROPRIATE.
JACKIE: SO MY POINT IS, IF YOU
SEE HOW THEY TRACK THEIR OWN
PEOPLE, CONGRESSWOMAN, WHY
WOULDN’T THEY TRACK US?
WE’RE GIVING THEM DATA.
WE’RE HANDING ITS OVER.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
THEY ARE TRACKING US.
WHAT THEY GIVE THEIR OWN PEOPLE
IN TIKTOK IS TIKTOK LITE.
WHAT THEY DO FOR US THEY’RE
COLLECTING DATA ON EVERY SINGLE
ONE OF US, CHILDREN, YOUNG
PEOPLE, ANYONE WHO ENGAGES IN
TIKTOK.
GOVERNOR KRISTI NOEM BANNED
TICKTOCK.
I HATE TO DO THAT IN THE UNITED
STATES.
I HATE TO BAN THINGS.
I LIVED IN A FORMER COMMUNIST
COUNTRY.
THE FORMER YUGOSLAVIA.
WHICH IS NOTHING COMPARED TO THE
INHUMANENESS OF THE CHINESE
COMMUNIST PARTY.
YOUR GUEST IS RIGHT.
THIS ABOUT THE DIVIDING AND
CONQUERING AND BRINGING DOWN THE
UNITED STATES AND REPLACING THE
CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY AS THE
WORLD POWER.
NOT THE CHINESE PEOPLE WHO CRAVE
FREEDOM.
SOME HAVE NO OPTION THOUGH.
THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO
RECOGNIZE IN THIS COUNTRY.
THEY FRAY FREEDOM.
THEY NEED IT.
THEY NEED OUR SUPPORT.
THE ADMINISTRATION IS WEAK ON
THIS ISSUE.
THEY NEED TO STAND UP TO THE
CHINESE PROTESTERS WHO ARE
AGAINST THE CHINESE COMMUNIST
PARTY.
THEY ARE NOT JUST AGAINST THE
LOCKDOWN.
IT IS THE COMMUNIST PARTY THAT
IS LIMITING THESE PEOPLE.
WE NEED TO GIVE THEM A HOPE FOR
FREEDOM AND THAT IS AN
OPPORTUNITY THAT COULD BE MISSED
IF THE ADMINISTRATION DOESN’T
ACT ON THIS.
JACKIE: IT IS.
CENSORSHIP, THE TIGHTNESS OF THE
RULE THERE, WHICH IS AN
EXCELLENT POINT.
I WILL REMIND OUR VIEWERS AS
WELL PRESIDENT TRUMP WANTED TO
BAN TIKTOK.
OBVIOUSLY IT DIDN’T HAPPEN.
HE WAS THINKING TRYING TO LOOK
AHEAD TO SEE WHERE THIS IS
GOING.
I APPRECIATE YOU BOTH COMING ON