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>> Sean: NOW MEGHAN McCAIN,
WHO RECENTLY DEPARTED AS A
COHOST OF ABCs "THE VIEW" IS
SPEAKING OUT, READY TO TELL HER
STORY.
TO SPEAK CANDIDLY AND REVEAL
WHAT WENT ON BEHIND THE SCENES
AND EXPLAINING WHY SHE LEFT AND
PREVIEW WHAT IS AHEAD.
SHE IS NOW RELEASING A NEW
AUDIOBOOK MEMOIR CALLED "BAD
REPUBLICAN."
YOU MIGHT REMEMBER THESE MOMENTS
FROM "THE VIEW" WITH HER COHOST,
FRANKLY, I CAN’T PUT IT ANY
OTHER WAY, WERE JUST DOWNRIGHT
CRUEL AND MEAN.
TAKE A LOOK.
>> I WAS SPEAKING.
>> I KNOW YOU ARE TALKING.
>> I’M TALKING ABOUT --
>> SO MUCH WHEN I WAS ON
MATERNITY LEAVE, YOU MISSED ME
SO MUCH, YOU MISSED FIGHTING
WITH ME --
>> I DID NOT.
I DID NOT MISS YOU. SPEAK WITH ANSWER THE QUESTION.
SPEAK WITH ANSWER THE QUESTION.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO WEIGH IN.
>> GUYS, HOLD ON.
EVERYBODY STOP, EVERYBODY STOP.
>> SO RUDE.
>> MY JOB HERE, I AM AN ABC
POLITICAL ANALYST ALONG WITH
BEING A "THE VIEW" COHOST, MY
JOB IS TO ANALYZE THE POLITICS
OF IT --
>> I’M TALKING ABOUT SENATORS --
IT’S A REPUBLICAN SENATE.
>> HERE IS WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW
NOW.
>> GIRL, PLEASE STOP TALKING.
PLEASE STOP TALKING RIGHT NOW.
BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT --
>> NO PROBLEM.
I WON’T TALK.
>> I’M OKAY WITH THAT.
I’M OKAY WITH THAT.
IF YOU ARE GOING TO BEHAVE LIKE
THIS --
>> I’M NOT BEHAVING --
>> YOU ARE TALKING OVER -- BUT
WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS YOU -- WE
ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING.
HOW ABOUT THIS?
FORMER FBI -- WE’LL BE RIGHT
BACK.
>> Sean: HERE TO EXPLAIN,
AUTHOR OF THE NEW AUDIO MEMOIR
"BAD REPUBLICAN,"
MEGHAN McCAIN.
I’M JUST TRAUMATIZED LOOKING AT
IT.
MAN, THAT IS BRUTAL.
TELL US ABOUT IT.
>> I MEAN, THOSE ARE TWO OF THE
MOMENTS IN MY NEW AUDIBLE MEMOIR
THAT I SPEAK ABOUT.
THE LAST MOMENT WAS ACTUALLY MY
SECOND DAY BACK FROM MATERNITY
LEAVE, AND I HAD VERY SEVERE
POSTPARTUM ANXIETY, AND THAT
MOMENT TRIGGERED A PANIC ATTACK
BACKSTAGE, I VOMITED, AND MY
OFFICE, IT WAS HORRIBLE, I
STARTED CRYING BETWEEN
COMMERCIAL BREAKS, AND IT WAS
THE MOMENT THAT I JUST BOUGHT MY
FOUR YEARS IN AN ANTHROPOLOGICAL
EXPERIENCE IN LEFT-WING
MEDIA HAD GONE TO END, BECAUSE I
REALLY ENJOYED MY FOUR YEARS ON
"THE VIEW" IN THE SENSE I FOUND
IT A GREAT CHALLENGE, IT IS A
HUGE PLATFORM, PEOPLE WATCH IT,
IT IS THE NUMBER ONE SHOW IN
DAYTIME, BUT YOU ARE TARGETED IF
YOU’RE THE TOKEN CONSERVATIVE
AND YOU ARE TREATED DIFFERENTLY.
IT’S BEEN INTERESTING HAVING MY
BOOK EXERTS RELIEVED TODAY
BECAUSE PEOPLE JUST DON’T SEEM
TO BE SURPRISED AT ALL,
BUT THERE ARE VALIDATION AND
HEARING IT FROM MY MOUTH, AND I
LIKE IT WAS REALLY TIME FOR ME
TO SHOW MY STORY INSTEAD OF
HAVING IT THROUGH THE LENS OF
THE LIBERAL MEDIA AND THE
LIBERAL PEOPLE WHO WERE LEAKING
INTERNALLY ON THE SHOW I WORKED
ON, AND I THOUGHT IT WAS
IMPORTANT FOR MOTHERS TO HEAR
THAT IT IS OKAY, YOU DON’T HAVE
TO PUT YOURSELF OR YOUR
PREGNANCY IN A POSITION WHERE
YOU COULD POSSIBLY HAVE YOUR
HEALTH OR YOUR MENTAL HEALTH PUT
IN A POSITION OF TOXICITY, AND I
DECIDED TO LEAVE AFTER I BECAME
A MOTHER, AND THAT WAS
ULTIMATELY THE GAME CHANGING
MOMENT FOR ME.
>> Sean: MEGHAN, YOU WENT AS
FAR AS TO SAY YOU FELT LIKE YOU
HAD BEEN SLAPPED.
YOU CALLED THE WORK ENVIRONMENT
TOXIC, DIRECT, AND PURPOSEFUL
HOSTILITY.
AND NONE OF THAT LOOKED FUN TO
ME.
AND I CAN SAY, COMPLETE HONESTY,
I’VE HAD MINOR SKIRMISHES HERE
AND THERE WITH A FEW ON-AIR
TALENT, BUT NOTHING LIKE THIS AT
ALL, EVER, NOT EVEN CLOSE.
THIS IS LIKE A CANCEROUS
ENVIRONMENT.
>> YEAH, AND IT’S ALL VERY
PERSONAL, THAT’S THE THING,
BEING A CONSERVATIVE WOMAN IN
MAINSTREAM MEDIA IS DEEPLY
THREATENING, BEING A WOMAN WHO
CAN HOLD HER OWN ON A SHOW LIKE
THAT PROVED TO BE ULTIMATELY
THREATENING, SO IT BECAME MORE
AND MORE PERSONAL THE STRONGER
THE SHOW GOT, THAT WAS THE
IRONIC PART OF IT, THE BETTER
THE SHOW DID COME AFTER WE WON
AND ME, WE WERE ON THE COVER IS
THE MOST IMPORTANT POLITICAL SHO
LIKE THE TOXICITY GOT WORSE AND
WORSE AND I FELL AT THE MORE
SUCCESSFUL I WAS ON "THE VIEW"
AND THE MORE MOMENTS I HELPED
GET THEM IN THE MORE I PRESSED
LIBERAL CANDIDATES AND LIBERAL
GUESTS ON THE SHOW, THE WORSE IT
GOT FOR ME BACKSTAGE AND
ULTIMATELY STARTED SPILLING OUT
ON AIR.
LOOK, I WAS AT FOX NEWS BEFORE I
WENT TO "THE VIEW," AND I
PROBABLY WOULD NOT HAVE SURVIVED
EMOTIONALLY OF THE PAST, YOU
KNOW, FIVE YEARS OF MY LIFE
BETWEEN MY DAD PASSING OF CANCER
AND EVERYTHING I SPEAK ABOUT IN
MY MEMOIR HAPPENING AT
"THE VIEW" AND OTHER THINGS IN
MY PERSONAL LIFE, IF IT WERE NOT
FOR THE WOMEN I MET AT FOX NEWS,
JANICE DEAN, THERE IS AN ENTIRE
CATEGORY ON KAT TIMPF, I HAD A
SISTERHOOD AT FOX THAT I LOST AT
THE VIEW AND I KNOW WHAT WOMEN
SUPPORTING WOMEN LOOKS LIKE
BECAUSE I HAD IT WHEN I
WORKED AT FOX NEWS AND NOW I
KNOW WHAT THE ENTIRE OPPOSITE
EXPERIENCE IS, AND I HONESTLY,
IT’S BEEN DIFFICULT TO OPEN UP
TO PEOPLE LIKE YOU, SEAN, BUT I
THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO SAY
THERE IS A REAL TRAUMA THAT IS
INVOLVED WHEN YOU ARE TARGETED
AND TARGETED AND TARGETED FOR
NOT VOTING FOR PRESIDENT OBAMA,
FOR BEING A PRO-LIFE WOMAN, AND
I DON’T THINK PEOPLE WHO GO INTO
LIBERAL SPACES, WHICH IS
BASICALLY EVERY OTHER SPACE
EXCEPT FOX NEWS IN MEDIA, I
DON’T THINK YOU SHOULD BE
PUNISHED FOR IT AND I DON’T
THINK YOUR PERSONAL LIFE SHOULD
BE IMPACTED AND THAT IS
UNFORTUNATELY EXACTLY WHAT
HAPPENED TO ME.
>> Sean: YOU TELL THE STORY
THAT YOUR DAD ENCOURAGED YOU TO
TAKE THE JOB.
WHY?
>> HE LOVED THE SHOW.
IT’S A MAINSTREAM SHOW, AND I DO
THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE
HAVE TO FIGHT THE CULTURE WAR IN
THEIR SPACES BECAUSE QUITE
FRANKLY I THINK WE ARE LOSING
IT, AND HE THOUGHT THEY NEEDED A
STRONG CONSERVATIVE.
THERE HAD BEEN A WHOLE HOST OF
REPUBLICAN AND SO-CALLED
REPUBLICAN WOMEN, WOMEN WHO
CLAIM TO BE REPUBLICANS THAT ARE
NOT COME IN MY OPINION, WHO HAD
HOSTED THE SHOW AND FAILED, HE
THOUGHT I WAS UP FOR THE JOB,
ANDAND I DID EVERYTHING HE TOLD
TO DO SO I DID IT, AND I
ACTUALLY REALLY ENJOYED THE
FIRST YEAR AND A HALF OF THE
SHOW.
BUT LIKE I SAID, AS I GREW
STRONGER AND MORE AND MORE
PEOPLE WOULD COME ON THE SHOW
AND I WOULD REALLY HOLD LIBERAL
GUESTS FEET TO THE FIRE, I FELT
A LOT OF BACKLASH, BOTH
INTERNALLY AND EXTERNALLY AT THE
SHOW, BUT IT SHOULDN’T COME AS A
SURPRISE TO YOU.
YOU’VE SEEN THE SHOW.
I THINK ANYONE WHO HAS WATCHED
EVEN A CLIP --
>> Sean: LISTEN, I USED TO DO
THE SHOW --
>> NOT SURPRISED BY ANYTHING I’M
SAYING.
>> Sean: LAST TIME I DID THE
SHOW I WAS SITTING NEXT TO ROSIE
O’DONNELL AND IT BECAME A
SCREAMING MATCH AND
BARBARA WALTERS COULDN’T STOP
IT.
"WE’LL GO TO BREAK NOW."
I’M LIKE, WHY AM I WASTING MY
TIME IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS,
BECAUSE I DON’T GO TO BED UNTIL
4:00 A.M. ANYWAY.
THERE WERE A LOT OF ISSUES, AND
I DID SUPPORT YOUR DAD, AS YOU
KNOW, IN 2008, AND I ALSO HAD
POLITICAL DISAGREEMENTS WITH
YOUR DAD COME A VERY STRONG
ONES, ESPECIALLY ON THE HEALTH C
VOTE, I WAS PRETTY
UNHAPPY WITH IT.
YOUR DAD WAS A GUY THAT WAS
WILLING TO HAVE A LOT OF
CONFLICTS WITH PEOPLE, AND THAT
HAPPENED AFTER HIS FUNERAL, TOO,
WHEN CAMPAIGN MANAGERS AND EVEN
GOVERNOR PALIN APPARENTLY, IN
THIS LEAKED LIST, WEREN’T
INVITED TO THE FUNERAL.
WHY DID THAT ALL HAPPEN?
>> YEAH, I ACTUALLY HAVE A
CHAPTER ABOUT THIS IN MY BOOK
WHERE I HAVE A WHOLE NEW LENS OF
VIEWING HOW SARAH PALIN WAS
TREATED AND HOW THE PEOPLE
WORKING FOR MY FATHER’S CAMPAIGN
REALLY, YOU KNOW, IN MY OPINION,
TREATED HER REALLY HORRIBLY, SET
HER UP FOR FAILURE.
I THINK WHEN YOU ARE SEEING
KATIE COURIC TALK ABOUT HOW
RUTH BADER GINSBURG, WITH HER
BOOK, AND I THOUGHT OBVIOUSLY
SHE PROBABLY PUT SARAH PALIN IN
A POSITION TO LOOK BAD -- AND BY
THE WAY, NICOLE WALLACE WAS THE
PERSON WHO FACILITATED THAT
INTERVIEW, WHO NOW HAS A SHOW ON
MSNBC, AND I JUST COME AS I’VE
GOTTEN OLDER, I FELL IN LOVE
WITH A REALLY DEEPLY
CONSERVATIVE MAN WHO RUNS
""THE FEDERALIST"," LIKE THE OLD
ADAGE, WHEN YOU’RE YOUNG, YOU
DON’T HAVE A HEART, YOU DON’T
HAVE --
AND I REALLY HOPE CULTURE HAS