4@>>
4@>> THE
4@>> THE ACLU REPORT ALSO TEACH US THAT IF YOU ARE POOR AND
BLACK, YOUR CHANCES OF GETTING
ARRESTED IN THE DISTRICT GO WAY
UP.
UP.
UP. ONE
UP. ONE EXAMPLE IS THE DISTRICT'S
OPEN CONTAINER LAW.
YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DRINK
ALCOHO4@L IN A PUBLIC SPACE FRO
AN OPEN CONTAINER, THAT'S THE
LAW, IT SHOULD APPLY TO
EVERYBODY.
EVERYBODY. THE ACLU POINTS OUT THAT POOR
PEOPLE ARE LESS LIKELY TO OWN
PROPERTY THAN WEALTHIER PEOPLE,
THEY HAVE FEWER PRIVATE PLACES
TO CONGREGATE WITH FRIENDS AND
IN SOME CASES FAMILY AND THAT
MAKES PEOPLE IN LOW INCOME
COMMUNITIES MORE LIKELY
TOGETHER IN PUBLIC SPACES.
THE ACLU REPORT FOUND THAT
BLACKS MADE UP 80 PERCENT OF
THE PEOPLE ARRESTED BY DC
POLICE FOR OPEN CONTAINER
VIOLATIONS.
VIOLATIONS. PUBLIC MARIJUANA CONSUMPTION.
BLACKS WERE 80 PERCENT OF THE
ARREST MADE BY DC POLICE.
HOW ABOUT GAMBLING?
THE PERCENTAGE OF BLACKS
ARRESTED WAS 99 PERCENT.
NOISE COMPLAINTS, 76 PERCENT 4@
THE PEOPLE ARRESTED WERE BLACK.
JOINING ME NOW, MICHAEL FROST4@
WITH THE ACLU OF4@ DC AND LISA
ROSENBERG. LENNY ASK YOU BOTH,
WE'VE TAKEN4@4@4@ ALL THIS FROM
REPORT.
REPORT.
REPORT. I'VE GOT SOME DEFINITE THOUGHTS
ABOUT THIS BUT I WANT TO KNOW
WHAT YOU THINK.>> I THINK WHAT
WE ARE SEEING HERE IS A REAL
CASE FOR ACCOUNTABILITY.
WE DEMANDED THIS INFORMATION
FROM THE METROPOLITAN 4@POLICE
DEPARTMENT.4@
DEPARTMENT.4@ INFORMATION THAT THEY SHOULD BE
PROVIDING TO US ANYWAY WHICH
THEY ARE NOT BUT WE DEMANDED
THIS INFORMATION SO THAT THEY
WOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.
THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THIS
DISPARITY AND THESE NUMBERS AND
NOW THAT WE HAVE THIS
INFORMATION, NOW TH4@AT WE KNOW
THE PROBLEM, WHAT ARE THEY
GOING TO DO, WHAT IS THE
SOLUTION?
SOLUTION?
SOLUTION? >> I THINK WHAT'S STRIKING
ABOUT THESE NUMBERS IS THE
MAGNITUDE OF THE DISPARITY AND
THE PERVASIVENESS OF THE 4@
DISPARITY.
DISPARITY. AS YOU SENT IN THE REPORT,
BLACK PEOPLE IN DC ARE GETTING
ARRESTED AT 10 TIMES THE RATE
OF WHITE PEOPLE AND THAT
DISPARITY IN DISPARITIES OF 4@
THAT NATURE EXISTED 90 PERCENT
OF THE CENSUS TRACTS 4@IN THE
DISTRICT SO WE'VE GOT A MASSIVE
DI4@SPARITY THAT'S EXISTING
THROUGHOUT THE CITY4@4@4@ AND T
SHOULD PROMPT SERIOUS QUESTIONS
AND SERIOUS REFORMS.
>> I WOULD THINK POLICE WOULD
BE THE ONES TO4@ LO4@OK AT THEI
OWN DATA AND PERHAPS COME UP
WITH SOME ANSWERS AS TO WHY
THIS IS HAPPENING.
I'M NOT PUT A NAME TO IT
BECAUSE THIS PERSON HAS GONE TO
ANOTHER JOB, BUT A FORMER
SUCCESSFUL IF YOU WILL POLICE
CHIEF IN DC SAID TO ME, WE 4@
DON'T POLICE THE SAME WAY IN 4@
ALL COMMUNITIES AND WHAT THAT 4@
SAID TO ME IS ARTS OF WARD 4,
PARTS OF WARD 5,4@ GOOD PARTS O
WARD 7 IF YOU WILL, THEY BELIEV@
POLICE DIFFERENTLY THAN THEY DO
WARD 7 IF YOU WILL, THEY BELIEV@ POLICE DIFFERENTLY THAN THEY DO@
WITH SOME OF OUR POOR
COMMUNITIES.
COMMUNITIES. >> WAS ALSO DISTURBING ABOUT
THIS REPORT IS THAT BLACK
PEOPLE IN DC ARE GETTING
POLICED DIFFERENTLY,
POLICED DIFFERENTLY, POTENTIALLY POLICED DIFFERENTLY
EVERYWHERE THEY GO, SO RIGHT
NOW WE'RE IN TENLEYTOWN AND IN
TENLEYTOWN THE POPULATION OF
BLACK RESIDENTS IS ABOUT FIVE
PERCENT.
PERCENT.
PERCENT. THE SHERIFF ARRESTEES4@ 4@WHO A
BLACK IS 60 PERCENT, SO AGAIN,4
EVEN IN THE WHITEST PARTS OF
THE CITY, WE STILL SEE
DIFFERENCES IN THE ARREST RATES
THAT ARE DISPROPORTIONATE TO
THE POPULATIONS.
THE POPULATIONS. >> ARE WE DANCING AROUND THIS?
IS RACE A FACTOR HERE IN THE
EYES OF A CUP GETTING OUT OF
THAT CAR WHEN HE SEES WHAT THEY
SEE?
SEE?
SEE? WHY
SEE? WHY IS THIS?
>> YOU HAVE TO 4@LOOK AT THE DA
WHY IS THIS? >> YOU HAVE TO 4@LOOK AT THE DA@
THAT UNCOVERED A NUMBER OF
ARREST FOR DRIVING WITHOUT A
PERMIT, WITHOUT A LICENSE.
OF COURSE AGAIN IT WAS
DISPROPORTIONATELY BLACK PEOPLE
THAT WERE ARRESTED FOR THAT.
YOU HAVE TO ASK THE QUESTION,4@
HOW DO THE POLICE OFFICERS WHO
ARE ARRESTING THESE PEOPLE KNOW
THAT THEY DON'T HAVE 4@A PERMIT
WHEN THEY PULLED THEM OVER.
THEY DON'T.
THEY DON'T. SO AUTOMATICALLY THERE'S
ALREADY A QUESTION, WHY ARE
THEY PULLING OVER
DISPROPORTIONATELY MORE AFRICAN-
AMERICANS.4@
AMERICANS.4@ >> THE SUBJECT WE ARE DANCING
AROUND HIS PROFILING.
THEY SEE A BLACK PERSON. 4@
DO THEY COME OUT OF THE CAR
THINKING THEY'RE GOING TO TREAT
DECISION ONE WAY IF IT'S A
WHITE PERSON THINKING IT'S A 4@
DIFFERENT KIND OF SITUATION.
>> THE DATA INDICA4@TES
PROFILING.
PROFILING. WE NEED4@ TO DETERMINE WHY THES
DISPARITIES EXIST AND THAT'S
WHY WE FIND IT PARTICULARLY
DISTURBING THAT WHEN THE
COUNCIL ASKED MPD TO COLLECT
DATA THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD
ENGAGEMENT, THEY ASKED COUNSEL
TO COLLECT THE DATA NECESSARY
TO HELP US DETERMINE WHETHER
THERE'S PROFILING GOING ON4@.
>> THEY WERE HESITANT TO TURN
OVER THE DATA.
>> THEY WAITED NEARLY 2 YEARS
TO EVEN START IMPLEMENTING IT,
AND EVEN NOW, IT STILL NOT
BEING FULLY IMPLEMENT IT.
>> HEARS A STATEMENT BY DEPUTY
MAYOR OF A LOOK SAFETY.
OUTLINING SEVERAL INITIATIVES
DC POLICE ARE USING TO CON BACK
TO DISPARITIES.
TO DISPARITIES. HERE'S WHAT HE SAID INCLUDED
THE NATION'S 4@MOST AGGRESSIVE
BODY WORN CAMERA PROGRAM.
INCREASING OPPORTUNITIES FOR
STUDENTS AND RESIDENTS TO HAVE @
CAREER WITH POLICE.
WHAT IS HE SUGGESTING THAT
YOUNG PEOPLE THAT ARE FROM 4@HE
WHAT IS HE SUGGESTING THAT YOUNG PEOPLE THAT ARE FROM 4@HE@
WILL POLICE DIFFERENTLY? AND
PROVIDING OFFICERS TRAINING ON
DC'S HISTORY AND CULTURE.
THAT 4@DOESN'T SEEM TO ME TO BE
DIRECT RESPON4@SE TO THESE
NUMBERS.
NUMBERS.
NUMBERS. >> I DON'T THINK IT'S A DIRECT
RESPONSE AND WE HAVE TALKED IN @
OUR REPORT ABOUT SOME THINGS
THAT 4@REALLY WO4@ULD GET AT TH
PROBLEM.
PROBLEM.
PROBLEM. >> I WANT TO GET TO THAT, GIVE
ME SOME 4@SOLUTIONS.
>> WE NEED THEM TO COLLECT THE
DATA THAT COUNSEL DEMANDED THEY
START COLLECTING THREE YEARS 4@
AGO AND COLLECTED IN A WAY THAT
MAKES IT ACCESSIBLE FOR PEOPLE
TO OBTAIN IT, ANALYZE IT AND
DETERMINE WHY THESE 4@4@DISPARI
EXIST.4@
EXIST.4@
EXIST.4@ NUMBER TWO, WE NEED THE COUNCIL
EXIST.4@ NUMBER TWO, WE NEED THE COUNCIL@
TO EMP4@OWER AGENCIES LIKE THE
OFFICE OF POLICE COMPLAINTS TO
CONDUCT MORE THOROUGH REVIEWS
AND MORE FREQUENT REVIEWS OF
COMPLAINTS.
COMPLAINTS. RIGHT NOW THERE'S A SERIOUS
RESTRICTION ON THEIR
JURISDICTIONS.
JURISDICTIONS. WE SAY TO EXPAND THAT.
FINALLY WHAT WE TALK ABOUT IS,
LET'S LOOK AT WHERE THEY ARE
ARRESTING PEOPLE FOR FAIRLY
MINOR OFFENSES.
MINOR OFFENSES. CAN WE NOT ARREST PEOPLE FOR
THOSE CRIMES?
THOSE CRIMES? CAN WE TURN TO CITATIONS
INSTEAD?
INSTEAD?
INSTEAD? MAYBE THERE'S THINGS WE SHOULD
DECRIMINALIZE RATHER THAN
PUNISHING PEOPLE FOR THINGS
THAT AGAIN ARE NONVIOLENT AND
RELATIVELY MINOR.
RELATIVELY MINOR. >> 4@THIS ADDS TO THE IMAGE AND
FEELINGS THAT PEOPLE ESPECIALLY
IN THE POOR COMMUNITY IF YOU
WILL THAT THEY HAVE OF 4@POLICE
YOU SEE A COP AND WE ALL GET
TENSE WHEN A COP PULLS UP
BEHIND US.4@
BEHIND US.4@ IN OUR POOR COMMUNITIES IT GOES
DEEPER THAN THAT.
HOW IS THIS GOING TO END, AM I
GOING TO GO HOME ALIVE?
WHAT IS THIS OFFICER THINKING
AS WE HEAD TOWARDS HIS
CONFRONTATIONAL ENGAGEMENT.
CONFRONTATIONAL ENGAGEMENT. THIS DOESN'T HELP.
THE SUGGESTIONS YOU MAKE SEEM
TO BE AT LEAST A ROAD TO BETTER
UNDERSTANDING MORE COOPERATION
TOWARDS COMMUNITY POLICING.
>> I THINK TO YOUR POINT, THE
DATA THAT STILL MISSING HIS USE
OF FORCE DATA.
WE HAVE THIS ARREST DATA NOW
BUT WE DON'T KNOW, WE CAN GUESS
AND WE CAN ASSUME, BUT 4@WE DON
KNOW THE RACIAL DISPARITIES IN
TERMS OF USE OF FORCE AND OF
COURSE IF WE DON'T4@ 4@KNOW THA
THEN HOW DO WE BEGIN TO CORRECT
THE PROBLEM?
THE PROBLEM? I THINK WITH THIS REPORT REALLY
4@
I THINK WITH THIS REPORT REALLY DID WAS JUST DEMONSTRATE AND
GIVE US THE NUMBERS, GAVE US A
FAX BEHIND KIND OF WHAT WE ALL
ASSUMED IS A PROBLEM 4@WITH
POLICING IN MAJOR METROPOLITAN
CITI4@ES INCLUDING DC.
>> WE ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER,
WE ALL WANT SAFETY.
POOR PEOPLE NEED THE POLICE
MAYBE MORE SO THAN YOU OR I DO.
THERE ARE MORE THAN LIKELY
GOING TO BE THE VICTIMS OF A
LOT OF CRIME SO LET'S TALK
ABOUT THIS AND BE TRANSPARENT
AND COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS.>>
WE ARE GOING TO BE KEEP PUSHING
THEM FOR MORE AND MORE DATA
BECAUSE THAT'S HOW YOU START TO
SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
>> WE'VE BEEN IN COURT FIGHTING
THESE ISSUES AND WERE HOPING
THE COURT WILL ISSUE A RULING
THAT WILL DEMAND