>>> POLITICO.COM HAS A SCOOP THAT IS A LITTLE ALARMING.
I FEEL ALARMED FROM A NATIONAL SECURITY PERSPECTIVE.
I DON'T SEE A WHITE HOUSE DRAMA STORY.
IT'S ABOUT JOHN KELLY RECENTLY RETIRED FOUR-STAR GENERAL UNTIL
HE RAN SOUTHERN COMMAND. ON JANUARY 20th HE WAS SWORN IN
AS THE SECRETARY OF HOMELAND SECURITY AND SERVED UNTIL JULY
28th OF THIS YEAR. JULY 28th HE LEFT HOMELAND
SECURITY TO REPLACE THE FIRED WHITE HOUSE CHIEF OF STAFF.
POLITICO.COM REPORTS TONIGHT ACCORDING TO THREE U.S.
GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS, CHIEF OF STAFF JOHN KELLY'S PERSONAL CELL
PHONE WAS COMPROMISED, POTENTIALLY AS LONG AGO AS
DECEMBER. APPARENTLY THE CHIEF OF STAFF
HAD NOTICED HIS PHONE WASN'T WORKING PROPERLY SO HE DID WHAT
YOU DO WHEN YOU WORK IN AN ORGANIZATION, HE CALLED I.T. AND
ASKED THEM TO FIX HIS BUSTED PHONE FOR HIM.
HANDED OVER HIS PHONE. THE TECH SUPPORT PEOPLE WERE
TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WAS WRONG WITH HIS PHONE AND
REALIZED, OH, THE PHONE THAT BELONGS TO THE WHITE HOUSE CHIEF
OF STAFF HAS BEEN EXTERNALLY BREACHED.
ACCORDING TO POLITICO REPORTING, KELLY TURNED HIS PHONE IN SAYING
IT WASN'T WORKING OR UPDATING SOFTWARE PROPERLY AND HE SAID IT
WASN'T WORKING PROPERLY FOR MONTHS AND THAT'S WHEN THEY
DISCOVERED IT HAD BEEN COMPROMISED.
NOW, ONE SECURITY EXPERT TALKING TO POLITICO DESCRIBES THE
WORST-CASE SCENARIO. NOT JUST THAT SOMEBODY MIGHT
HAVE BEEN ABLE TO ACCESS THE DATA ON HIS PHONE.
THEY MAY CONCEIVABLY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO TURN ON THE PHONE'S
MICROPHONE OR CAMERA THERE BY TAGGING ALONG WHEREVER IT WAS
JOHN KELLY HELD THAT PHONE AND GIVEN HE WAS RUNNING THE
HOMELAND SECURITY DEPARTMENT AND RUNNING THE WHITE HOUSE OVER
THAT TIME PERIOD WHEN HIS PHONE WAS COMPROMISED, THIS NEWS DOES
SORT OF SEND A CHILL DOWN MY SPINE IN TERMS OF AMERICAN
NATIONAL SECURITY. THE WHITE HOUSE HAS KNOWN FOR
AWHILE ACCORDING TO POLITICO.COM A ONE-PAGE MEMO SUMMARIZEMARIIN
INCIDENT CIRCULATING AND APPARENTLY JOHN KELLY HAS A NEW
PHONE, GOOD. IT'S ONE THING TO WORRY ABOUT
THE NATIONAL SECURITY, YOU KNOW, INSTINCTS OF THIS
ADMINISTRATION, CAPACITY FOR DEALING WITH COMPLEX AND
DANGEROUS SITUATIONS. ONE THING TO THINK ABOUT THEIR
NATIONAL SECURITY DECISIONS AND THEIR HISTORY OF HAVING EVEN
VERY SENIOR NATIONAL SECURITY PERSONNEL COMPROMISED BY FOREIGN
GOVERNMENTS AND NEVERTHELESS OPERATING THE HIGH LEVEL INSIDE
THE WHITE HOUSE BUT QUITE ANOTHER THING TO HEAR THE
COMPROMISE MIGHT BE A TECHNOLOGY COMPROMISE AND IT MIGHT HAVE
BEEN GOING ON UNTIL VERY RECENTLY AND MIGHT HAVE WORMED
ITS WAY INTO THE INNER ECHELONS OF THE WHITE HOUSE EVEN THIS
WHITE HOUSE WASN'T AWARE OF AND COULDN'T CONTROL AT THE TIME.
SO THERE HAS BEEN SOME REPORTING VENTLY ABOUT WHITE HOUSE STAFF
BEING BREACHED ON THE IMPORTANCE OF SECURITY ISSUES ABOUT THEIR
PERSONAL DEVISES AND PERSONAL E-MAIL BUT WE CAN REPORT TONIGHT
ON SOME NEW GUIDANCE THAT HAS APPARENTLY GONE OUT TO SECSECRE
SERVICE PERSONNEL. THE WHITE HOUSE IS NOT
CONFIRMING ANYTHING ABOUT THIS MEMO TO US TONIGHT AND NEITHER
IS THE SECRET SERVICE WHEN WE CONTACTED THE SECRET SERVICE FOR
INFORMATION ABOUT THIS, THEY REDIRECTED US TO THE WHITE HOUSE
BUT ACCORDING TO A DOCUMENT THAT WE HAVE REVIEWED, SECRET SERVICE
PERSONNEL WERE NOTIFIED LAST WEEK THAT AS OF THIS WEEK, AS OF
MONDAY, THERE IS A QUOTE NEW RESTRICTIVE POLICY THAT IS GOING
INTO EFFECT RELATED TO THE WEST WING THAT WILL QUOTE PROHIBIT
THE USE OF ALL PERSONAL MOBILE DEVICES, CELL PHONES, TABLETS,
SMART WATCHES, ET CETERA WITHIN THE ENTIRE WEST WING.
ALL PERSONAL DEVICES WILL BE SECURED AND PROVIDED LOCK BOXES
OR TURNED OFF COMPLETELY PRIOR TO ENTERING THE WEST WING.
THERE WILL BE A 30-DAY MANAGEMENT PERIOD BEFORE THIS
POLICY IS ENFORCED. THEAPPLIES TO
DEVICES WITHIN THE WEST WING. THIS IS A DOCUMENT WE'VE
REVIEWED EXCLUSIVELY THAT SAYS THIS POLICY IS IN EFFECT AS OF
THIS WEEK MONDAY AT THE WHITE HOUSE.
SECRET SERVICE PERSONNEL ARE NOTIFIED ABOUT THIS CHANGE BUT
THEY HAVE ALSO BEEN TOLD ACCORDING TO THE SAME DOCUMENT
THAT QUOTE, BEGINNING THIS FRIDAY OCTOBER 6th, THIS POLICY
WILL BE IN EFFECT FOR WEST WING TOURS, AS WELL.
AND IT WILL INCLUDE ALL PASS HOLDERS AND THEIR GUESTS.
PASS HOLDERS AND THEIR GUESTS WILL BE REQUIRED TO SECURE OR
COMPLETELY TURN OFF THEIR PERSONAL DEVICES PRIOR TO
ENTERING THE WEST WING. NOW, THIS IS THE KIND OF POLICY
THAT HAS LONG BEFORE IN EFFECT FOR SKIFFS, RIGHT, AND FOR OTHER
SECURED MEETING SPACES IN THE WHITE HOUSE AND EXECUTIVE BRANCH
BUT AS OF THIS WEEK ACCORDING TO THIS DOCUMENT WE REVIEWED,
EVERYBODY ENTERING THE WEST WING FOR ANY REASON PHONES IN A LOCK
BOX OR TURNED ALL THE WAY OFF. AGAIN, THAT REPORTING IS
EXCLUSIVE TO US TONIGHT. WE'VE REVIEWED A DOCUMENTED THAT
PROVIDES THAT DOCUMENT TO THE SECRET SERVICE BUT NEITHER THE
SECRET SERVICE OR WHITE HOUSE IS CONFIRMING THE CONTENTS OF THIS
APPARENT NEW POLICY. THIS NEWS COMES AMID A NEW
SCANDAL CONCERNING THE PRESIDENT'S DAUGHTER AND HER
HUSBAND WHO BOTH SERVE AS SENIOR ADVISORS IN THE WHITE HOUSE.
LATE LAST MONTH POLITICAL.COM REPORTED THAT JARED KUSHNER IS
USING A PRIVATE E-MAIL. THE DAY AFTER THAT REPORT TOP
DEMOCRAT SENT A LETTER SAYING HE WOULD PREDEFG ALL DATA.
FROM "USA TODAY" 48 HOURS OF RECEIVING AND AMERICAN CHAIR,
ONE AND TWO DAY DAYS OF BEING A IN WRITING TO PRESERVE THOSE
E-MAIL RECORDS OF THE GOVERNMENT BUSINESS CONDUCTED ON A PRIVATE
E-MAIL SERVER WITHIN 24 TO 48
HOURS LATER, JARED AND IVANKA RECRUITED TO COMPUTERS RUN BY
THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION. SO AS YOU MIGHT IMAGINE,
CONGRESSMAN CUMMINGS HAS QUESTIONS.
HE HAS QUESTIONS FROM A HOST OF THE SERVER, GO DADDY, GIVEN THE
CONTEXT HERE, GO DADDY. ONE FOR THE PRESIDENT'S REAL
ESTATE COMMITTEE, JARED AND IVANKA GOT ONE AND FINALLY,
CONGRESSMAN CUMMINGS WAS ASKING THE FBI TO OPEN UP A SECURITY
REVIEW OF JARED KUSHNER AND IVAN CO-TRUMP'S E-MAIL DUMP ONTO THE
PRESIDENT'S COMPANY SERVERS AFTER THEY HAD BEEN TOLD TO
RETAIN THOSE E-MAILS AT THE REQUEST OF CONGRESS.
JOINING ME NOW IS CONGRESSMAN ELIJAH CUMMINGS.
CONGRESSMAN CUMMINGS, NICE TO SEE YOU.
>> IT'S GOOD TO BE WITH YOU, RACHEL.
>> THERE IS POLITICAL CONTEXT HERE, WHICH WE SHOULDN'T IGNORE,
WHICH IS THAT THE REPUBLICAN CONGRESS AND THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN
MADE A HUGE STINK LAST YEAR DURING THE PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN
ABOUT HILLARY CLINTON AS SECRETARY OF STATE HAVING USED A
PRIVATE E-MAIL SERVER AND THAT CONTEXT RESONATES IN TERMS OF
THE HYPOCRISY OF DOUBLE STANDARD.
WITH THAT --
>> NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.
>> WITH THAT UNDERSTANDING, WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THE APPROPRIATE
LEVEL OF CONCERN TO HAVE ABOUT THEM USING A PRIVATE E-MAIL
SERVER IN THE CONTEXT? >> WE HAVE A SITUATION WHERE,
AGAINST THE LAW -- IT'S NOT AGAINST THE LAW TO USE THE
PRIVATE SERVER BUT THEY HAVE TO TRANSFER INFORMATION WITHIN 20
DAYS, GOVERNMENT INFORMATION AND OFFICIAL INFORMATION TO
GOVERNMENT SERVERS. OBVIOUSLY, THEY DID NOT DO THAT.
WHAT WE'RE MOST CONCERNED ABOUT IS WHAT YOU SAID IN THE
BEGINNING OF THIS SEGMENT. WE'RE CONCERNED, RACHEL, ABOUT
NATIONAL SECURITY. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IS IN THESE
DOCUMENTS, BUT THE THING THAT REALLY CONCERNS US IS THAT, YOU
KNOW, WITHIN 24 TO 48 HOURS AFTER MR. GOUTY, THE CHAIRMAN
AND I SENT A PRESERVATION LETTERS, WHICH MEANS DON'T
DESTROY ANY DOCUMENTS, DO NOT RELOCATE THEM BECAUSE THEY MAY
VERY WELL BE A PART OF AN INVESTIGATION AND WE MAY NEED
THESE DOCUMENTS. THEY THEN SUDDENLY, THAT IS, MS.
TRUMP AND HER HUSBAND, MR. KUSHNER TRANSFERRED THEM TO THE
TRUMP ORGANIZATION AND SO WE DON'T HAVE A CLUE AS TO, YOU
KNOW, WHAT THESE DOCUMENTS SAY, WHY THEY DID THIS, ARE THEY
TRYING TO AVOID US HAVING AN OPPORTUNITY TO DETERMINE WHETHER
OR NOT THEY ARE CLASSIFIED OR NOT AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THEY
APPEARING TO HIDE? SO I'M VERY CONCERNED AND WE ALL
SHOULD BE CONCERNED BECAUSE IF YOU RECALL, RACHEL, WHEN HILLARY
CLINTON'S INFORMATION WAS DEAS A RULE -- TOLD ABOUT HER USING A
PRIVATE E-MAIL, WE SPENT PROBABLY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND
HUNDREDS OF MAN HOURS JUST DEALING WITH THAT AND NOW SEEMS
AS IF THE REPUBLICANS ARE SAYING WELL, BOYS AND GIRLS WILL BE
BOYS AND GIRLS AND THAT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR THE NATIONAL
SECURITY OF UNITED STATES. >> LET ME ZERO IN ON SOMETHING
YOU MENTIONED ABOUT THE PRESERVATION REQUESTS, THE
PRESERVATION DEMAND YOU MADE TO --
>> YES. >> MS. TRUMP AND MR. KUSHNER
ABOUT THIS. IT SPECIFICALLY SAID THEY SHOULD
NOT RELOCATE THESE DOCUMENTS. IT WASN'T JUST DON'T DESTROY THE
E-MAILS BUT DON'T MOVE THEM AND THAT WAS EXPLICIT PART OF THE
REQUEST BEFORE THEY MOVED THEM? >> THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.
IT WAS VERY SPECIFIC. THESE ARE STANDARD LETTERS.
AND, YOU KNOW, THE INTERESTING THING, RACHEL, IS THEY NEVER
EVEN NOTIFIED US THEY WERE
REROUTING THESE E-MAILS AND A LOT OF PEOPLE ASK THE QUESTION
WELL, WHAT ABOUT HILLARY CLINTON?
KEEP IN MIND, WHEN HILLARY CLINTON CAME OUT ABOUT HILLARY
CLINTON WE FORGOT THE PRIVATE E-MAIL SERVER, SHE SAID RELEASE
EVERYTHING. JUST PUT IT ALL OUT THERE AND
LET'S FIGURE OUT FROM THERE. AND IT SEEMS AS IF MR. KUSHNER
AND MS. TRUMP DECIDED THEY WANT TO GO SEND -- REROUTE THESE TO
THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION AND THEY HAD BEEN SAYING THEY WERE NOT
CONNECTED WITH THE TRUMP ORGANIZATIONS, WHICH CONTROLLED
BY DONALD TRUMP AND THE OTHER BROTHER.
SO THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE.
IT SOUNDS -- IT SMELLS VERY FISHY AND SO WE'LL FIGURE OUT
WHERE THE SMELL IS COMING FROM AND HOW BAD THINGS ARE, OR GOOD.
>> CONGRESSMAN