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>> DO RECALL SPECIFICALLY?
>> I DO NOT.
>> MY QUESTION IS, IT DID THE
PRESIDENT, THEY SAY MITOSIS HAD
YOU CAN’T HANDLE HIM AND CAN’T
HIRE HIM, DID HE KNOW?
SECRETARY CLINTON SAID THERE IS
NOTHING MARKED CLASSIFIED ON HIS
EMAILS EITHER SENT OR RECEIVED,
WAS THAT TRUE?
THAT WAS NOT TRUE.
WE FOUND WORK-RELATED EMAILS,
THOUSANDS THAT WERE NOT
RETURNED.
>> SECRETARY CLINTON SAID HER
LAWYERS READ EVERY ONE OF THE
EMAILS AND WERE OVERLY
INCLUSIVE.
DID HER LAWYERS READ THE EMAIL
CONTENT INDIVIDUALLY?
>> NO.
>> IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, AND
BECAUSE I HAVE A PLANE TO CATCH
TOMORROW AFTERNOON, I’M NOT
GOING TO GO THROUGH ANYMORE OF
THE FALSE STATEMENTS.
>> AFTER VERY CAREFUL
CONSIDERATION, I’VE DECIDED TO
FOLLOW MY COUNSEL’S ADVICE AND
DID NOT TESTIFY OR ANSWER ANY OF
THE QUESTIONS TODAY.
>> SHE JUST TESTIFIED.
SHE JUST WAVED HER FIFTH
AMENDMENT RIGHT TO PRIVILEGE.
YOU DON’T GET TO TELL YOUR SIDE
OF THE STORY AND NOT BE
SUBJECTED TO CROSS-EXAMINATION.
SHE WAVED HER RIGHT TO FIFTH
AMENDMENT PRIVILEGE BY ISSUING
AN OPENING OPEN STATEMENT.
SHE OUGHT TO STAY HERE AND
ANSWER OUR QUESTION.
>> Martha: THOSE ARE SOME OF
THE MOMENTS THAT MAKE TREY GOWDY
A HOUSEHOLD NAME.
I ASKED HIM, AND MIKE WHAT GOES
THROUGH HIS MIND WHEN HE LOOKS
AT THOSE GOWDY RULINGS IN THE
FAMOUS HEARING ROOM.
>> WHAT REALLY GOES THROUGH MY
MIND, WHO IS THAT A PERSON, I’M
NEVER LIKE THAT OUTSIDE OF A
COURTROOM OR CONGRESSIONAL
HEARING ROOM.
I AM NEVER LIKE THAT.
I WOULD RATHER MAKE YOU LAUGH
MY WIFE SAYS IT BEST, SHE SAYS,
WHO IS THAT PERSON?
IT IS A JOB.
IT IS WHAT I THINK NEEDS TO BE
DONE.
IF YOU PREPARE -- AND I LOVE TO
PREPARE, IT IS REALLY HARD TO
CLEAN SOMEBODY FOR 5 MINUTES.
5 MINUTES, YOU HAVE TO PREPARE
AND YOU HAVE TO ANTICIPATE WHERE
THE WITNESS IS GOING AND WHERE
YOU WANT THE WITNESS TO WIND UP.
IT REMINDS ME A LOT OF WHAT I
USED TO DO FOR A LIVING.
WHAT THE WITNESS WAS GOING TO
SAY BEFORE THEY TESTIFIED.
IT IS A COLD CROSS.
AT LEAST HERE, I CAN GOOGLE
PRIOR STATEMENTS, I CAN READ
THEIR STATEMENTS, I GET TO
LISTEN TO THEM WHILE OTHER
PEOPLE QUIZ.
IT’S A LOT EASIER IN CONGRESS
THAN IT WAS IN THE COURTROOM.
5 MINUTES IS A REALLY SMALL
AMOUNT OF TIME TO ELUCIDATE THE
TRUTH, SO YOU BETTER MAKE REALLY
EFFECTIVE USE OF THAT TIME.
BUT WE HAD A REALLY INTERESTING
EXCHANGE ONCE.
HE WALKED UP TO ME AFTERWARDS
AND HE WAS SMILING AND HE SAID,
OF EVERY LAWYER, I’M PROBABLY
GOING TO COME HIRE YOU.
PEOPLE DON’T SEE THAT
OFF-CAMERA, THAT IT IS NOT
PERSONAL.
NEVER HAD A CROSSWORD WITH --
CROSS WORD WITH ERIC.
I GUESS I KIND OF VIEW IT AS MY
JOB, IT IS WHAT I’M SUPPOSED TO
DO.
>> Martha: WHAT DO YOU SAY TO
THOSE WHO LOOK AT THE LOWEST
LEARNERS OR HILLARY CLINTON, IF
THEY FEEL THAT SHE DID SOMETHING
WRONG, THEY SAY, WE WATCH THIS,
BUT WE NEVER SEE ANY REAL
RAMIFICATIONS.
I HAD AN EMAIL THIS MORNING FROM
A VIEWER WHO SAID, ASK HIM HOW
DO PEOPLE GET AWAY WITH THE
THINGS THAT THEY GET AWAY WITH
IN HIS MIND.
>> THE DOMINANT QUESTION I GET
EVERY SATURDAY MORNING AT PUBLIX
IS, WHY DIDN’T THESE PEOPLE GO
TO JAIL?
I POLITELY HAVE TO TELL THEM, NO
ONE IN THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH
CAN PUT ANYONE IN JAIL FOR
ANYTHING.
YOU COULD ADMIT TO A CRIME IN
THIS HEARING ROOM, AND THERE IS
NOTHING A MEMBER OF THE
LEGISLATIVE BRANCH CAN DO ABOUT
IT.
THAT WAS MY OLD JOB.
THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH GETS TO
CHARGE AND PROSECUTE AND GAIN A
CONVICTION.
>> Martha: BUT THEY ARE NOT
FOLLOWING THROUGH ON THAT THEN,
ACCORDING TO PEOPLE WHO ARE
DISTURBED BY WHAT THEY SEE.
>> AND IN THE PAST, WE COULD
SAY, GOT TO TALK TO THE OBAMA
JUSTICE DEPARTMENT.
WE CAN’T SAY THAT ANYMORE.
IT IS THE SESSIONS JUSTICE
DEPARTMENT.
THAT FRUSTRATION, WHETHER IT IS
THE CLINTON OR THE FAST AND
FURIOUS, THAT IS THE REPUBLICAN
ADMINISTRATIONS WATCH RIGHT NOW.
THE MACK FRUSTRATION REVIEWERS
FEEL AND THE FOLKS I SEE BACK
HOME, WE BUILD UP EXPECTATIONS
THAT WE CAN NEVER ACTUALIZE.
WE SHOULD TELL PEOPLE WE ARE
HAVING A HEARING TO SHED LIGHT.
WE ARE NOT GOING TO PUT ANYBODY
IN JAIL BECAUSE I DON’T HAVE THE
POWER TO DO IT.
BUT WE DON’T.
RELATE THE EXPECTATIONS GET SO
HIGH, WE NEVER MEET THEM, AND
THAT LEADS TO FRUSTRATION AND
ANGER, AND I WOULD ARGUE CREATES
AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE YOU WILL
GET AN OUTSIDER TO BECOME
PRESIDENT.
>> Martha: IS THIS DOJ GOING
TO BE ANY DIFFERENT?
YOU ARE LEAVING.
DO YOU THINK THAT THESE ISSUES
WILL HAVE LIGHT SHED ON THEM AND
V DOJ WILL FOLLOW THROUGH AND
WE’LL GET A DIFFERENT RESULT?
>> I DON’T KNOW IF WE’LL GET A
DIFFERENT RESULT BECAUSE I DON’T
KNOW THE FACTS.
BUT TO THE EXTENT THAT THE
LORETTA LYNCH JUSTICE DEPARTMENT
IGNORED THINGS OR ASK THAT THEY
BE CALLED A MATTER OR NOT AN
INVESTIGATION OR OTHER THINGS
THAT ARE JUST FAR INTO THOSE IN
THE JUSTICE SYSTEM, WE HAVE NO
ONE TO BLAME BUT OURSELVES.
PRESIDENT TRUMP GOT TYPICALLY
ATTORNEY GENERAL, HE GOT TO PICK
THE HEAD OF THE FBI.
THERE SHOULD NEVER BE A
POLITICAL CONSIDERATION IN AN
INVESTIGATION, BUT THE FACTS
EXISTED SIX YEARS AGO, THEY
STILL EXIST.
I WOULD EXPECT THEM TO DO THIS
AND IN A POLITICAL WAY AND
FOLLOW FACTS.
>> Martha: WILL YOU STAY ON AS
CHAIR OF OVERSIGHT UNTIL YOU
LEAVE?
>> AND LES PAUL OR KEVIN ASKED
ME NOT TO, AND NEITHER ONE OF
THEM HAS SAID THAT.
I WANT TO SERVE IN WHATEVER
CAPACITY PAUL AND KEVIN WANT ME
TO.
>> Martha: WHO DO YOU THINK
SHOULD SUCCEED YOU AS CHAIR OF
OVERSIGHT.
>> ALMOST ANYONE WOULD BE
BETTER.
>> Martha: WHY DO YOU SAY
THAT?
>> I JUST -- BEING A CHAIRPERSON
IS A TOUGH JOB.
YOU’VE GOT TO BALANCE A LOT.
YOU DON’T JUST GET TO SPEND YOUR
5 MINUTES QUIZZING A WITNESS.
THERE ARE LOTS OF OTHER THINGS
THAT GOING GO INTO BEING A
CHAIRPERSON.
I WISH JASON HAD STAYED, HE WAS
GOOD AT IT, HE ENJOYED IT.
I HAD NEVER RUN FOR A
CHAIRMANSHIP BEFORE.
ABSENT PAUL AND KEVIN TELLING ME
TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT, I WOULD
HAVE GONE THE REST OF MY CAREER
WITHOUT RUNNING FOR ONE EITHER.
>> Martha: DIDN’T WEIGH ON YOU
AND YOUR DECISION-MAKING THAT
YOU WERE THE NINTH G.O.P. CHAIR
TO STEP DOWN AND TO THE 34TH, I
THINK, G.O.P. MEMBER OF CONFEREE
TO SAY THAT YOU ARE NOT RUNNING
AGAIN?
SPEED MUN >> WHAT WEIGHS ON
ME IS A FIRST
GRADE SCHOOL TEACHER
SOUTH CAROLINA AND MY MOM.
THOSE TWO PEOPLE HAVE MORE
INFLUENCE ON ME THAN THE ENTIRE
U.S. HOUSE IN THE ENTIRE U.N. .
SENATE.
AND I LOVE TIM SCOTT.
HE HAS TREMENDOUS INFLUENCE ON
ME, BUT EVEN HE CAN’T GET ME TO
DO SOMETHING THAT MY MOM AND MY
WIFE AND OTHER PEOPLE IN MY LIFE
AREN’T AT PEACE WITH.
HE TRIED.