PAY IT.
LIZ.
ELIZABETH: HILLARY VAUGHN, GREAT
REPORTING.
JOINING US NOW FORMER UTAH
CONGRESSMAN JASON CHAFFETZ AND
FORMER LABOR SECRETARY ANDY
POZER.
THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN, FOR
JOINING US THIS FRIDAY NIGHT.
JASON, WHAT’S YOUR REACTION TO
THIS REPORT?
>> IT’S DISGUSTING.
I THINK -- I DON’T THINK IT’S
LEGAL.
I AGREE ACTUALLY WITH NANCY
PELOSI THE WHOLE IDEA THAT THE
PRESIDENT CAN UNILATERALLY WAIVE
THIS AWAY THEY CAN’T DO THAT
LEGALLY.
THEY COULD DELAY BUT TO FORGIVE
THEM IS WRONG.
IT’S FURTHER WRONG TO DISMISS
THOSE AND NOT FORGIVE LOANS THAT
ARE OWNED BY PRIVATE ENTITIES
BUT THIS IS SO INFLATIONARY IN
THE APPROACH AND FUNDAMENTALLY
WRONG AT ITS CORE AND SHOULDN’T
BE DONE.
WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO PAY FOR
SOMEBODY ELSE’S LOAN.
THERE’S NO REASON FOR THAT?
ELIZABETH: ANDY, WHAT JASON IS
SAYING TOO, WHAT ABOUT PEOPLE
THAT PAID OFF THEIR LOANS OR JOE
PLUMBER AND PEOPLE THAT WENT TO
TRADE SCHOOLS AND NEVER GOT
COLLEGE TUITION LOANS.
THIS WILL BE THE BIGGEST
EXPENDITURE BY ANY PRESIDENT IN
MODERN HISTORY ON SOMETHING LIKE
THIS.
>> THIS IS ALWAYS PANDERING AND
BUYING.
I THINK THAT THE BIDEN
ADMINISTRATION THOUGHT THAT THEY
WERE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET ALL
THESE YOUNG AMERICANS WHOSE
LOANS WOULD BE FORGIVEN AND VOTE
FOR THEM IN THE UPCOMING
ELECTION.
IF REPUBLICANS CHALLENGEED THIS
LOAN WRITE OFF, THEN ALL OF
THESE KIDS WOULD BE MADE AT THE
REPUBLICANS.
WELL, IT DIDN’T WORK OUT THAT
WAY.
AMERICANS REALIZE THAT AS YOU
SAID PLUMBERS AND TRUCK DRIVERS
CAN BARELY AFFORD FOOD AND GAS
AND BECAME UNPOPULAR AND GOT TO
THEM AND GOING TO LOOK BAD AND
BIDEN IS BACKING OFF AND I THINK
THAT THE BEST INDICATOR THIS WAS
POLITICAL AND TURNED OUT TO BE A
BAD IDEA WAS NANCY PELOSI
YESTERDAY SAYING THE PRESIDENT
CAN’T DO THIS BECAUSE OF
CONGRESS.
IF IT WAS A GOOD POLITICAL IDEA,
SHE’D HAVE NEVER SAID.
ELIZABETH: WATCH NANCY PELOSI
TALK ABOUT THAT.
WATCH.
>> PEOPLE THINK THAT THE
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
HAS THE POWER FOR DEBT
FORGIVENESS.
HE DOES NOT.
HE CAN POSTPONE, HE CAN DELAY,
BUT HE DOES NOT HAVE THAT POWER.
THAT HAS TO BE AN ACT OF
CONGRESS.
ELIZABETH: OKAY, THERE’S ALL
THAT.
JASON, THERE’S ALSO THIS, THE
INSPECTOR GENERAL OF HOMELAND
SECURITY FINDS NEARLY 2,000
HOMELAND SECURITY GOVERNMENT
WORKERS, THEY’RE SUPPOSED TO BE
KEEPING US SAFE, THEY GOT CAUGHT
STEALING MILLIONS IN BAN
DEMOCRATIC JOB -- PANDEMIC JOB
BENEFITS AND PEOPLE SUPPOSED TO
BE OVERSEEING THE BUDGET IN
HOMELAND SECURITY.
WHAT’S YOUR REACTION WHEN YOU
HEAR THIS?
>> I WANT TO SEE THEM
PROSECUTED.
IF THEY’RE GOING TO UPHOLD THE
LAW, GO OUT AND PROSECUTE THOSE
PEOPLE.
WHAT ABOUT THE FRONT OF THE LINE
AND PROSECUTE THEM FIRST.
ELIZABETH: TO WHAT JASON IS
SAYING, YOU KNOW, ANDY, IT WAS A
LOOK AT JUST ABOUT 2400 JOBLESS
CLAIMS AND CAN BE EVEN BIGGER
AND FOUND 2.6 MILLION ALLEGEDLY
STOLEN AND THIS WAS A SAMPLE.
THIS WAS CASES OF IDENTITY
FRAUD, HOMELAND SECURITY WORKERS
CLAIMING BOGUS JOBLESS CLAIMS IN
THE NAME OF A FELLOW WORKER AND
NEARLY 3 DOZEN, LOOK AT THIS,
WORKERS EVEN FILED UNEMPLOYMENT
CLAIMS, BOGUS CLAIMS FROM THEIR
OWN HOMELAND SECURITY SYSTEMS
THEY WERE WORKING AT SHOWING
THEY WERE ON THE JOB.
>> YOU KNOW, LOOK, THE
GOVERNMENT’S NOT VERY GOOD AT
HANDLING OTHER PEOPLE’S MONEY
AND EVERY DOLLAR THEY HAVE IS
ACTUALLY OTHER PEOPLE’S MONEY.
THEY’RE JUST -- PRIVATE
BUSINESS, YOU COULDN’T GET AWAY
WITH THIS.
YOU GO OUT OF BUSINESS, YOU’D BE
SUED AND IN COURT, BUT IT’S THE
GOVERNMENT.
THEY’RE INCOMPETENT WHEN IT
COMES TO MANAGING MONEY LIKE
THIS AND THIS IS ONE VERY GOOD
EXAMPLE OF THAT INCOMPETENCE.
ELIZABETH: JASON AND ANDY,
THERE’S NO -- WE DON’T --
EVENING EDIT, WE DON’T LOSE OUR
SENSE OF OUTREACH OVER IT.
HOMELAND SECURITY IS SUPPOSED TO
BE PROTECTING US, PROTECTING THE
HOMELAND AND NOW THEY’RE JUST
STEALING.
>> THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ALSO
ISN’T GOOD AT PROSECUTING ONE OF
ITS OWN.
IF THEY WERE SERIOUS ABOUT THIS
AND MAKING AN EXAMPLE BUT THEY
DON’T.
YOU KNOW, THERE ARE NEARLY
100,000 FEDERAL WORKERS EVERY
YEAR THAT DON’T PAY THEIR TAXES.
DO THEY EVER GET PROSECUTED, DO
THEY EVER GET AFTER THEM?
NO, THEY DON’T.
IT’S SICKENING AND THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE SEE IT.
THAT’S WHY I THINK IT’S
DISGUSTING THAT NEARLY 25% OF
OUR GROSS DOMESTIC PRODUCT, ONE
OUT OF EVERY FOUR DOLLARS IS
SPENT BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
AND WE WONDER WHY WE’RE
$40 TRILLION IN DEBT.
ELIZABETH: FINAL WORD, YOU KNOW,
ANDY, SEEMS LIKE REPUBLICANS GOT
UPSET ABOUT THIS.
YOU DON’T HEAR A LOT OF UPROAR
FROM THE OTHER SIDE.
>> NO, THEY WANT BIGGER
GOVERNMENT.
GOVERNMENT IS TOO BIG, IT’S
INCOMPETENT AND WE NEED TO
SHRINK IT.
IT’S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE
NEXT TWO YEARS WITH BIDEN IN THE
OVAL OFFICE BUT IF WE CAN GET
SOME REPUBLICANS IN CONGRESS, I
THINK WE CAN START TO MAKE SOME
PROGRESS.
THIS IS A TERRIBLE SITUATION.
WE ARE IN TROUBLE AS A COUNTRY.