joining me today is emory emory the producer director author and host of the
podcast skeptically yours and the ardent a fiesta
uh... emory you're really good at that kind of parsing out some of the
fallacies that are kind of implicit in some of the arguments we hear from the
anti marriage equality crowd so i want you to take me through this step by step
and where i want to start is one of my favorite things which are the slippery
slope arguments that we hear from people who oppose marriage equality so to take
me through the logic is you see it or the lack of logic of those arguments
well uh...
i don't like the word slippery slope are likely to stall or what is next
utter nonsense is not accurate
truth
know yet if they're fine we don't even i think we can call it nonsense
yeah i i think it is not sad stymies
uh...
unless show the r_d_ if we talk about uh...
detroit's allot comes up a lot
because really who's behind this suppression
are the religious folks that's where the problem comes from
the argument that you here
sells sold search in iraq and the anybody's in this day and age
willing to make such a under your argument
uh... is what snacks you know i mean
uh... i i actually have friend a friend who's a believer in my studio and he
said what snacks animals and when when people say that to me day that i i i
just
unjust unruly baffled miami responses always the same
and that is
walter without logic
then we need to go back
and we need to know
in marriage should be abolished
because
by that logic
if you make marriage legal what's next
marrying bags
and that's the logic
and it doesn't hold any water you have to do the math on the and even more an
even more specifically the that right
the only reason that somebody with even suggest
two men getting married is because we have what is considered heterosexual
marriage so really opening that door
is is really the start of that slippery slope is in it but i don't think
anybody's willing to go back and and get rid of that
boise you know obviously i don't think marriage should be a part of their
freedom should be something that we all hold to be very important and the
freedom to get mary with whatever religious ceremony and whatever
uh...
rules your client to it should absolutely
uh... being placed
i'd again with freedom is
the foundation on which we supposedly in the united states
whatever and then
so why why are so many
socal quick to dismiss
these are our guests fundamental freedom i don't understand within talking about
his freedom thing and i know you say that the argument to make is the freedom
argument right it's it's this question of civil rights and freedom and what's
fascinating about this
is that we talked recently about how bill o'reilly
i don't think he was uh... i think his motives weren't work but what they were
all tear your motives but that being said bill o'reilly and said listen
the parole quality crowd
has made this an issue of freedom and civil rights
and when you do that it's very hard to argue against that now i don't know if
the low riley believes that it truly is an issuer freedom or not but that's okay
because he's recognizing that when you counted in that way they're really is no
opposition to marriage equality is that
well i never thought i would say yes but will rightly could not be more right and
that's why our admired it is
nobody
anybody who wants to
give homosexuals equal rights should never make an argument other than the
freedom argument and here's why when you make the argument about let's say for
example choice
homosexuality is a choice nobody uh... that i uh... i'm friends with will
disagree with that it's a true fact that the fact
is
uh... something that people can choose to do it's also
genetic we take
and i think that that's accurate nobody i know uh...
disagrees with that idea or that i'm friends with
my march to your of friends
understands that genetics involved
uh... understands also the choice of sexuality both of those things in my
opinion are true but you have been up is that these i think they'll be confusing
to some of my audience
well then you say that there's a choice involved
it's the choice tick engaged in a gay or straight relationship or not to but
you're not saying that there's a choice as to who you are attracted to you
no i'm not ok ok i've met with him
out saying both of them were true this is something you don't hear very often
there
if both are true there are people whose sexuality on one of the for the record
there are people's good sexuality good sexual encounters whose sexual uh...
expression
if is baseball interests there's no question about that i'd think that i was
wired for the most part to liver heterosexual act
uh... my philosophical belief system uh...
allows me to understand that
i don't have to
i have the choice and olive anybody in the eye and tell them
you don't get it taken when my freedom of choice i think she used to
what i want with whomever artwork that's a fact
you can't argue with ido homosexuals who chose the middle of the matter of sexual
acts
as horrific as status all you know people down that so the choice argument
as accurately is their choice the other argument that we can
we can actually gene expression plays a role in this despite being can argue
against that back
to is true
here's the problem
these are not points on which and they have they should be discussed aber
because when it comes down to is are we not free
are we not for you david
we are living in the planet of the free
an elaborate identified simply reply
like anybody argue
and the other perspective
the speed-up and one of the best one of the deadlock and their argument that
hurt you you know what
whether you call it a lifestyle choice they're not
since when do we discriminate against lifestyle choices right anyway barbie
saying hey it's fine to discriminated people
we could also say let's not hire people who
will have uh... who died there hair right i mean that's that week
we could take that argument and even though it's completely scientifically
unfounded in the way that the right tries to couch it it's still not a basis
for discrimination if you take the freedom argument which is what you're
suggesting
role 'cause lawmaker freedom arguments
you uh... you're forced to those who argue against it
uh... to be are usually
and over press
we've been speaking with emory emory producer director author most of the
podcast skeptically yours and arden a pianist
ameri pleasure to have you on today thanks so much
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