>> Martha: WHITE HOUSE
COUNSELOR KELLYANNE CONWAY JOINS
ME
THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US.
SO WE JUST PLAY THAT PIECE OF
SOUND FROM THE PRESIDENT SAYING
THAT IT'S LIKE A SPY WITHIN THE
WHITE HOUSE.
DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THE
WHISTLE-BLOWER IS A SPY, THAT
THE WHITE HOUSE LOOK AT HIM OR
HER THAT WAY?
>> THE WHISTLE-BLOWER IS SOMEONE
WHO DOES NOT HAVE FIRSTHAND
KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT HAPPENED, GOT
THAT FROM A FEW OTHER PEOPLE.
>> Martha: WHAT ABOUT THOSE
OTHER PEOPLE?
DO YOU CONSIDER THEM TO BE SPIES
IN THE WHITE HOUSE?
>> I DON'T CONSIDER THEM TO BE
SPIES BUT ANYBODY WHO LEAKS
CONVERSATIONS THAT ARE
CLASSIFIED OR OF NATIONAL
SECURITY SENSITIVITY OUGHT NOT
TO BE WORKING IN THE GOVERNMENT,
WHOEVER YOU ARE, AND I HOPE
YOU'RE WATCHING, WHOEVER YOU AR
ARE, BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE
PUBLIC'S TRUST IN YOU ARE A
PUBLIC SERVANT ENTRUSTED WITH
TOP SECRET AND CONFIDENTIAL
INFORMATION, BUT THIS
WHISTLE-BLOWER COMPLAINT IS
REALLY LOW HARD MORE THAN
WHISTLE-BLOWER IN MY VIEW,
BECAUSE IT WAS REFERRED TO THE
OLC WHICH SAID THIS IS ROUTINE
DIPLOMATIC PHONE CALLS BETWEEN
PRESIDENT TRUMP AND THE
UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT, IT WAS NOT
AN INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITY, SO
CRIMINAL DIVISION SAID THERE WAS
NO CAMPAIGN FINANCE VIOLATION
AND NOW THE WHOLE WORLD CAN
JUDGE FOR THEMSELVES.
THE PRESIDENT WENT AND RELEASED
THE WHOLE THING.
>> Martha: WHY WOULD IT BE
THAT THIS TRANSCRIPT, IF THAT'S
THE CASE, IF IT WAS SO
INNOCUOUS, WHY WOULD IT BE PUT
INTO LOCKDOWN TO THIS COLD LEVEL
SECURITY RATHER THAN JUST
PUTTING IT IN TYPICAL PLACE IN
THE WHITE HOUSE TO BE KEPT AS A
TRANSCRIPT?
>> I FELT SOME PEOPLE FROM OTHER
DEMONSTRATIONS THEY MIGHT BE
HIGH LEE UNUSUAL BUT IT'S NOT
DONE TO MOVE CERTAIN DOCUMENTS
INTO ANOTHER SYSTEM, BUT I'M NOT
PART OF WHAT THE NSC OR THE
WHITE HOUSE SITUATION ROOM DOES
WITH THAT.
I WILL TELL YOU THAT I HAD READ
THE TRANSCRIPT AND NOW EVERYBODY
HAS READ THE TRANSCRIPT.
PRESIDENT TRUMP IS CONTINUING
HIS DEMOCRATIZATION OF
INFORMATION FOR HE JUST, WHETHER
THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS,
EXPRESS AVAILS AND NOW RELEASING
THE ENTIRE TRANSCRIPT OF THIS
PHONE CALL -- AND LET ME TELL
ALL THE VIEWERS WHAT'S NOT IN
THAT TRANSCRIPT.
NO MENTION OF THE 2020
PRESIDENTIAL RACE.
NO MENTION OF AID TO UKRAINE.
NO MENTION OF JOE BIDEN AT
SOMEWHERE A POLITICAL OPPONENT.
GIVE ME A BREAK, WE DON'T NEED
UKRAINE -- WE DON'T NEED UKRAINE
TO HELP BEAT JOE BIDEN OR ANY OF
THE REST OF THEM ANYMORE THAN WE
NEEDED RUSSIA TO BE
HILLARY CLINTON.
THESE CANDIDATES ARE A DISASTER
ON THEIR OWN, THEY SELF EMULATE,
BUT I SAW PEOPLE LYING TODAY,
INCLUDING INTEL CHAIRMAN
ADAM SCHIFF, BEGAN WITH THIS
CONTRIVED FANTASY CONVERSATION
THAT HE IMAGINED BETWEEN
PRESIDENT TRUMP --
>> Martha: WE ARE GOING TO
SHOW THAT IN A LITTLE WHILE.
CAN WE JUST BACK UP TO WHAT YOU
SAID JUST A MOMENT AGO BECAUSE
THE PRESIDENT DOES TALK ABOUT
JOE BIDEN IN THE TRANSCRIPT AND
HE TALKS ABOUT HIS BUSINESS
DEALINGS WITH HIS SON.
IT'S KIND OF IMPOSSIBLE TO
SEPARATE THAT FROM THE JOE BIDEN
WITH THE PRESIDENT MAY WELL BE
RUNNING AGAINST IN 2020, ISN'T
IT?
>> IF NOT, AND HERE'S WHY.
THE PRESIDENT IS TALKING ABOUT
THE 2016 ELECTION EARLIER.
HE'S TALKING ABOUT CROWD STRIKE,
HE SAYING THIS COUNTRY, THE
UNITED STATES, JUST WENT THROUGH
THIS TERRIBLE THING, AS YOU KNO
KNOW, ROBERT MUELLER TESTIFIED
YESTERDAY, DISASTER MUELLER
REPORT, DISASTER, AND WE WANT TO
KNOW THAT UKRAINE HAS THE
INFORMATION.
HE'S TALKED ABOUT THE 2016
ELECTION.
>> Martha: THAT'S CLEAR BUT
THAT'S A SEPARATE AREA THAN WHAT
I'M ASKING ABOUT.
>> AFFECT DOCUMENTS.
THE PRESIDENT SAYS BIDEN --
PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT BIDEN
AND HIS SON.
GUESS WHAT?
PEOPLE WERE TALKING ABOUT BIDEN
AND HIS SON.
HERE'S SHOCKING ON MAY 12,
HUNTER BIDEN WORKS FOR A GAS
COMPANY IN UKRAINE WHICH IS
TOTALLY FAIR GAME.
ABC IN MAY, BIDEN SIDESTEPS
QUESTIONS ABOUT HIS SON A
POSTHUMOUS BUSINESS DEALINGS BUT
PROMISES ETHICS PLEDGE.
"THE NEW YORK TIMES" WROTE ABOUT
ON MAY 1ST --
>> Martha: THAT'S NOT THE
STORY, KELLY END.
>> PEOPLE WERE TALKING ABOUT
HUNTER BIDEN.
>> Martha: I AGREE WITH YOU
THAT THAT IS A STORY AND THAT IS
SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE DUG INTO
AND THAT WE WILL CONTINUE TO DIG
INTO, MY QUESTION IS WHETHER OR
NOT BRINGING IT UP -- BECAUSE
THERE'S A SECTION OF THE
TRANSCRIPT THAT CLEARLY DEALS
WITH 2016, THAT'S MORE
BACKWARD-LOOKING AND IT'S AN
INVESTIGATION.
IT APPEARS THAT THE PRESIDENT IS
ASKING CAN YOU DIG INTO THIS FOR
US, WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT
HAPPENED WITH REGARD TO THE
ORIGINS OF THE RUSSIA
INVESTIGATION, BUT THEN IT TURNS
IN THE OTHER PART OF THE
DISCUSSION TO THE QUESTION OF
JOE BIDEN AND THE PRESIDENT
SPECIFICALLY STATES THAT HE
WANTS RUDY GIULIANI TO BE ONE OF
THE PEOPLE -- HE ALSO MENTIONS
BILL BARR, TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT
THAT.
RUDY GIULIANI IS HIS PERSONAL
ATTORNEY, SO THAT'S NOT THE
PERSON THAT YOU WOULD DESIGNATE,
I WOULD IMAGINE, IF YOU WERE
TALKING ABOUT SORT OF A COUNTRY
TO COUNTRY INVESTIGATION INTO
SOMETHING.
I WOULD IMAGINE IT WOULD BE
BILL BARR.
WHY IS RUDY GIULIANI PART OF THE
EQUATION I GUESS IS MY QUESTION.
>> I WILL LET RUDY ANSWER
QUESTIONS ABOUT HIS INVOLVEMENT
BUT A FEW THINGS HERE, THE
ENTIRE CONVERSATION WAS ABOUT
TWO MAIN THINGS, CONGRATULATIONS
FOR WINNING THE PRESIDENTIAL
ELECTION IN PARLIAMENTARY
ELECTION, AND CORRUPTION.
IF YOU GO BACK AND YOU READ THE
ENTIRE TRANSCRIPT AS I DID
PREVIOUSLY AND I DID AGAIN THIS
WEEK WHEN THE WHOLE WORLD DEAD,
MARTHA, THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT
DRAINING THE SWAMP.
PRESIDENT TRUMP DOESN'T SAY
THAT, THE UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT
SAYS WE LEARN FROM YOU AND I RAN
SUCCESSFULLY ON DRAINING THE
SWAMP AND THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT
CORRUPTION AND SO IN THAT
CONTEXT, THE PRESIDENT SAYS LOOK
AT -- PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT
BIDEN.
THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT BIDEN
BRAGGING IN FRONT OF THE COUNCIL
OF FOREIGN RELATIONS ON
JANUARY 23RD 2018.
MR. BIG SHOT I TOLD HIM I'VE
ONLY GOT SIX MORE HOURS ON THE
GROUND HERE, YOU BETTER FIRE THE
PROSECUTOR OR WE ARE GOING TO
WITHHOLD $1 BILLION IN LOAN
GUARANTEES TO UKRAINE THAT LIVES
IN THE SHADOW OF RUSSIA.
EARLIER ON THE CALL, ON PAGE ONE
OF THE CALL, THEY ARE TALKING
ABOUT HOW THE AID COMING FROM
FRANCE AND GERMANY IS NOT
ENOUGH.
THE UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT IS
CRITICAL OF MACRON AND
ANGELA MERKEL.
THAT WAS THE DISCUSSION OF AID,
NO WITHHOLDING OF A PERIOD THE
UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT NEVER SAID
PLEASE GIVE US EIGHT, HE I WANT
TO BUY MORE JAVELINS AND
SEPARATELY SAID THEY ARE NOT
DOING ENOUGH FOR ME.
>> Martha: UNDERSTANDABLE, WE
POINTED OUT SEVERAL TIMES.
IN TERMS OF THE REASONING.
I THINK THAT IT'S DIFFICULT FOR
A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO READ IT AND
I THINK MOST OF US HAVE READ IT
MANY TIMES AT THIS POINT, TWO
COMPLETELY SEPARATE THE FACT
THAT JOE BIDEN IS RUNNING FOR
PRESIDENT IN THE 2020 ELECTION,
THAT THE PRESIDENT'S INTEREST
AND THAT IS COMPLETELY SEPARATE
FROM THAT.
>> I THINK THAT'S TOTALLY UNFAIR
AND BY THE WAY, JOE BIDEN IS
RUINING JOE BIDEN.
HE WANTS YOU TO PUT ON YOUR
RECORD PLAYER, YOUR LEG WARMERS,
TAKE YOUR PET ROCK AROUND THE
CORNER FOR A WHILE, GET YOUR
WIFE -- THIS GUY IS SO OUT OF
TOUCH AND NOW HIS POLICIES ARE
SO OUT OF THE MAINSTREAM AND IS
PRESIDENT NEVER ONCE SAYS HELP
ME WITH JOE BIDEN BECAUSE I'M
WORRIED ABOUT RUNNING AGAINST
HIM FOR PRESIDENT.
>> Martha: HE DOESN'T SAY
THAT, BUT HERE'S WHAT HE SAID
BACK ON JUNE 13TH WHEN HE TALKED
TO GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS, WATCH
THIS.
>> IF SOMEBODY CALLED FROM A
COUNTRY, NORWAY, WE HAVE
INFORMATION ON YOUR OPPONENT.
I THINK I WANT TO HEAR IT.
>> YOU WANT THAT KIND OF
INTERFERENCE AND OUR ELECTION?
>> IT'S NOT AN INTERFERENCE,
THEY HAVE INFORMATION, I THINK I
TAKE IT.
>> Martha: HE SAID VERY
CLEARLY THERE THAT HE DOESN'T
HAVE ANY PROBLEM DISCUSSING THE
ELECTION OR ISSUES RELATED TO
THE ELECTION WITH OTHER
COUNTRIES.
SO HE MAY JUST STAND BY THAT AND
STILL FEEL THAT WAY TODAY, IS
THAT THE CASE?
>> BUT WE DON'T KNOW THAT THE
INFORMATION ON SAID PERSON HAS
ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE
ELECTION.
THE INFORMATION MAY HAVE TO DO
WITH CORRUPTION IN THAT COUNTRY.
NOBODY UNDERSTANDS HOW HUNTER
BIDEN, BUT FOR HIS FATHER BEING
THE SITTING VICE PRESIDENT, GOT
THESE ENORMOUS CONTRACTS IN THE
MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF
DOLLARS.
DOES HE HAVE A HIDDEN SKILL SET
NONE OF US CAN SEE OBVIOUSLY?
BECAUSE WE KNOW WHAT HE'S BEEN
IN THE NEWS FOR OVER THE LAST
FIVE YEARS, MARTHA, ANYBODY CAN
GO LOOK IT UP.
IT CERTAINLY ISN'T FOR HIS SAVVY
IN THE ENERGY COMPANY, THE
STATE-RUN ENERGY COMPANY IN
UKRAINE ON WHICH HE SAT ON THE
BOARD AND IF PEOPLE ARE
CRITICIZING ME FOR RAISING THIS,
ABC, YOU RAISED IT, THE HILL,
"NEW YORK TIMES," CNN, THOSE ARE
JUST BEFORE I WAS ABLE TO PULL
UP, I'M SURE FOX NEWS COVERED IT
BECAUSE IT'S RELEVANT.
IT'S RELEVANT WHEN YOU'VE GOT A
PRESIDENT WHO GOT HERE ON
DRAINING THE SWAMP ON
ANTICORRUPTION.
IT'S RELEVANT TO SAY THAT IN THE
LAST IT ADMINISTRATION THE
SITTING VICE PRESIDENT'S SON WAS
TAKING MONEY FROM A GOVERNMENT
RUN ENERGY COMPANY WHOSE FATHER
AS SITTING VICE PRESIDENT
THREATENED TO WITHHOLD
$1 BILLION IN LOAN GUARANTEES IN
HIS OFFICIAL CAPACITY, THAT'S A
DISGRACE.
>> Martha: I THINK THERE'S A
FEW PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO DON'T
THINK THAT'S A RELEVANT
QUESTION.
I THINK MOST PEOPLE DO THINK
IT'S A RELEVANT QUESTION AND
THAT IT WILL CONTINUE TO BE
INVESTIGATED --
>> NONE OF THIS IS IMPEACHABLE.
>> Martha: I THINK THERE NEEDS
TO BE A MORE THOROUGH
INVESTIGATION INTO --
>> NONE OF IT IS IMPEACHABLE.
WHAT WERE THEY DOING TODAY?
WHY CAN'T ADAM SCHIFF QUESTION
THE ACTING DIRECTOR OF THE DNI
BEHIND CLOSED DOORS LIKE THE
SENATE DID TODAY?
WHY DOES A REALLY HAVE TO BE
PREENING AND SCREAMING IN FRONT
OF THE CAMERA --
>> Martha: I THINK YOU KNOW
THE ANSWER TO THAT.
>> HE LIED TO AMERICA TODAY BY
SAYING THE PRESIDENT WAS DIGGING
UP DIRT ON THE POLITICAL
OPPONENT.
HE IMAGINED A CONVERSATION --
>> Martha: WE ARE GOING TO
PLAY THE CONVERSATION IN JUST A
MOMENT.
BUT IT'S CLEAR THAT THERE ARE
QUESTIONS RAISED HERE AND THERE
CONTINUE TO BE INVESTIGATED AND
DUG INTO ON ALL SIDES AS WE MOVE
FORWARD ON ALL OF THIS.
>> JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE
THE PRESIDENT, NO IDEA TO BEAT
HIM NEXT TIME, THAT'S NOT HIGH
CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS, THAT'S
POLITICAL SAVVY AND THIS COUNTRY
DESERVES A FULLY FUNCTIONING TO
MY