Howdy guys and gals! I'm Kyle Broderick. Welcome back to the freezing cold garage
of The Social Regressive. Today I was about to mount the nikon force XR 2.5
to 8 by 28 millimeter pistol scope onto our Scout AR which is our
attempt to take Jeff Cooper's Scout formula and apply it to an AR 15 so far
everything is going really well on this it has really lived up to all the hopes
that I had for it it's very lightweight of course the furniture just looks great
it looks awesome balance is just about perfect and we're gonna be testing all
kinds of different sighting systems and optics on here I want to really test out
some of the ideas that people have thrown around about where to put scopes
and what kind of sights to use we're going to test some really nice ultra 9
iron sights at the rear and at the front on this and then when it comes to some
of the the glass that you can look through we're gonna do a red dot just a
Bushnell TRS 25 great little scope a little red dot sight we're gonna put it
toward the back here on the action we're also gonna mount it a little further
forward to see which one our sportsmen like if they like to have a wide field
to view around the scope or a wider field of view through it just to see how
quickly people can get on target and bounce from one target to the next but
one of the things that we're really going to take a close look at here
because this is a segment of the whole scout rifle thing I did a review a while back
on the the savage 110 Scout great rifle and it was a whole lot of fun to use
but one of its peculiarities one of the things that Jeff Cooper kind of baked
into the scout rifle concept is using one of these low power extended eye
relief pistol scopes that sits pretty well forward on a rifle so what I want
to do is actually test this in that position versus a low power variable
optic like the Falcon s8 eye we're gonna test both of those back-to-back to see
which one is actually quicker to get on target and be able to engage multiple
targets within kind of closer range distances will do a little bit of longer
range work as well but this whole rifle overall is meant for
close-range firing nothing further than about 450 yards that's gonna be
about the max now I was going to mount this scope into this mount right here
get it all leveled out today in this video but tragically even though I am
extremely excited about this mount right here and how awesome it is this is the
worn QD X scale mount but it's a little lever lock mount off to pop this off
later I might have tighten this up a little bit too much best it has little
lever locks that lock this into place kind of a quick detach method and you
can actually adjust the tension might have gotten a little crazy here on the
back end but there is a problem with this it is actually a little bit too
long so our short scope can't actually fit the bail is just a little bit too
close right here and it's going to get clipped by this mount right here so what
I'm gonna have to do even though it just looks so pretty is I've got to swap it
out with the mount that I have on my buddy Cole's 458 SOCOM AR 15 we are
going to remove this Weaver this is also a really good one I like these a lot
this has thumb nut attachments right here this is a 458 SOCOM rifle so I'm
not depending on thumb nut tension to keep this attached I'm actually torquing
this puppy down but we're gonna swap this for this one and I'm gonna be so
sad to see this go but you will see this mount again on this rifle hopefully on
some hog hunts here in the future but now we're gonna take a look at some of
the weird things about a pistol scope and a method to mount it onto a rifle because
this is actually turning out to be a bit more difficult than I thought one of the
things that I've shown in the past is a way to mount and level well. for example
this actually showed a method to mount this prime onto this rifle right here using
one way of leveling a scope and then figuring out eye relief based on your
actual type of scenario. make sure you go check out that video. I've also done one
that's based on putting light through the scope to get a proper level. I'll put
a link to that video as well. but in this case
scope is a little bit of a peculiarit.y a pistol scope does not have a really
fixed eye relief none of the scopes that you ever use do.
it actually varies based on your zoom ratio so if your zoom at the time so if
you're zoomed all the way in on a 27 X scope or whatever it's going to have a
certain point where your face needs to be and then as you zoom out you might
actually have to back your face off or somehow move it someplace else in order
to see a little bit better. with a normal hunting scope that's close to your face
those movements are so miniscule that most of the time you don't even notice
that you did them this one though is quite a bit different there's a good bit
of face travel that you have to make in order to get this lined up when you have
a different zoom on here so this is a two and a half to eight that's a pretty
big zoom ratio right there and I find that I'm having to move my head around a
lot so today we're going to through kind of trial and error figure out the best
place to put this scope so that we can use it at all these at these various
zooms. I won't go through all the steps that it's going to take to mount and
level this rifle scope. I'll actually point you back toward an older video: the
one where I did the mounting and leveling of that Bushnell prime on the
458 SOCOM rifle. this is going to take the same steps this is just a little bit
weird and I want to talk about some of the oddities going on here since I do
suspect that there is a pretty broad range of eye reliefs based on whatever
the magnification is I'm just gonna go ahead and find out what those are I'm
gonna do the the bottom end 2.5 X and then make a mark for my 8 X and what I'm
gonna do here is I've I've gone ahead and put the mount on as you can see it's
just thumb tight if I need to move the scope a full Picatinny rail section then
I'll just pick it up and move it if I need to make a minor movement. I've left
these screws loose up here so I can move the scope a little bit forward and
backward and I can can't it if I need to and then I'll just take a pencil and
I'll line up with the ocular bell right here and make a mark where this is going
to end up for both of those. and now one of the tricks with this if you have an
off hand rifle you need to your eye relief in a firing stanc.e don't
get in the prone or on a bench or anything like that if this is an offhand
rifle. test your eye relief while standing. here's what I found at two and
a half X this is my proper eye relief that's where the ocular bell ends right
there. and then at eight X that's where it should be and this has a total spread
of about 3 and 1/8 inches so this is not something that you can just move your
face around a little bit in order to see through it. now you could possibly adjust
your stock back there but then you're starting to get into some weirdness with
length of pull and all that. so I think that my top tip if you are going to be
putting together a rifle like this or if you want to buy one of the the savage Scout
rifles or the gun sight scout from Ruger probably get the fixed power model. this
one the two and a half to eight I think is going to be an excellent handgun
scope because you can pretty easily kind of play the slide trombone while you're
using a handgun. you can you know move your gun around a little bit
move your head a little bit kind of crane your neck a little bit differently
and you can get that shot but on a rifle yea these dimensions are a little bit
more critical and I don't think it's gonna work that well or if you do get
this model just pick a fixed power perhaps or maybe you know if you want to
be able to swap it around for different scenarios like if we were firing
offhand you know at quick shots leave it mounted in that more forward position
and then if we know that we're gonna be doing some coyote hunting a little bit
longer ranges from a prone position or something then you can just have a mark
or something to move it back but you can see that this is a pretty interesting
conundrum I intend to use this rifle to deal with pop up targets so I'm gonna go
ahead and leave this scope at two-and-a-half magnification and that
means that I need to move this all the way to its furthest forward position
right here and that's going to upset balance quite a bit thankfully this is a
lightweight scope and a lightweight mount so it shouldn't mess with things
too much. we're gonna see how it works compared to a rear mounted low-power
variable optic red dot sight iron sights and all that we'll see how quickly this
gets on target and how it deals with some of those
longer range ones as well. remember that this does have a ballistic drop
compensator so we can't actually use this to make hits out at longer ranges
if we need to we'll just have to figure out what the the drops are on this
now one other experiment that we're going to be conducting on this rifle
overall is we've had you know some questions in the comments people
wondering how much the bend that you might get from the handguard when it's
under some kind of stress whether it being pulled by a sling or put on a rest
or a bipod or something like that if it's going to cause the scope to point
in a different direction than it normally would and you know throw off
the shot and I'm kind of curious about this as well you can see that if I press
on the barrel that yes it you know something is bending here whether it's
the handguard or that you know the barrel itself under here we can actually
cause these to shift relative to each other in the end I'm really not guessing
that it's gonna be that big a deal just because we're not going to be able to
put that much stress on here you know right now I'm torquing on the barrel to
get this much change but also keep in mind that people have been mounting
their iron sights on these hand guards for years and years and years without
much problem I shouldn't think because people would just keep doing it there is
of course the option of putting a sight out on the end of the barrel as well but
I really don't think this will be an issue but hey we'll find out make sure
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kinds of videos in this series coming out we're going to test all kinds of fun
stuff and one of the big ones is going to be the final review that we're gonna
do on this scope right here and whatever I find on this variable is probably
going to be applicable to the fixed power as well they should be using the
same glass same components all that and I'm really looking forward to the the full
testing on this scope because I think it is a real honey of a product out on the
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