JOINS US BY PHONE FROM FLORIDA AND JOSEPH BONDY, HIS ATTORNEY
IS HERE AS WELL.
THANKS TO BOTH OF YOU FOR BEING
HERE.
HERE. THANK YOU MR. PARNAS.
>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
>> THE LETTER MAKES SEVERAL
INTERESTING SETS OF TOPICS
AVAILABLE TO EVERYONE.
RIGHT ON PAGE ONE YOU TALK ABOUT
THE TEAM OF PEOPLE TRYING TO
OUST THE AMBASSADOR AND YOU
MENTIONED BOTH ATTORNEY GENERAL
BARR AND SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM
BOTH CURRENT OFFICE-HOLDERS.
WHAT YOU COULD SAY ABOUT THEIR
ROLE?
ROLE? >> WELL, EACH INDIVIDUAL THAT I
MENTIONED HAD A DIFFERENT ROLE.
SOME AGREED WITH THE SITUATION,
SOME DISAGREED WITH IT.
BUT SOME WERE JUST SUCKED INTO
IT AND SOME OF THEM WERE AGAINST
IT, LIKE AMBASSADOR BOLTON.
I WANT TO ALSO MAKE IT CLEAR
THAT WHEN I GAVE MY INTERVIEW TO
RACHEL, I WASN’T AWARE THAT
THESE CLIPS OF AMBASSADOR
BOLTON’S BOOK WERE GOING TO COME
OUT AND I STATED VERY STRONGLY
THAT AMBASSADOR BOLTON, BECAUSE
I FIGURED WITH HIS INTEGRITY HE
WILL TELL THE TRUTH AND IF HE
TELLS THE TRUTH IT WILL VALIDATE
EVERYTHING THAT I SAID BECAUSE
LIKE I SAID HE KNOWS EVERYTHING
THAT WAS GOING ON BECAUSE HE WAS
IN THE WHITE HOUSE.
I KNOW EVERYTHING THAT WAS GOING
ON BECAUSE OF TWO SOURCES, A., I
WAS ON THE GROUND BUT B.,
DIRECTLY IN CONTACT WITH RUDY
GIULIANI WHO WAS BASICALLY THE
PRESIDENT’S RIGHT HAND TO
MASTERMIND THE WHOLE PLAN.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I
THINK THE SENATORS ARE VERY
SCARED FOR THIS TO GET OUT OF
WITNESSES BECAUSE IT IS NOT JUST
WHAT JOHN BOLTON HAS TO SAY IT
IS WHAT THE CAN OF WORMS THAT
WILL OPEN UP AND WHEN THE BOOK
COMES OUT THERE IS A LOT OF
THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO START
COMING OUT LIKE SOME OF THE WAYS
THAT AMBASSADOR YOVANOVITCH WAS
FIRED.
FIRED. IT IS JUST EMBARRASSING TO GO
INTO IT.
INTO IT. BUT I THINK WHEN AMBASSADOR --
COMES OUT AND SAID BECAUSE RUDY
GIULIANI WENT SEVERAL TIMES AND
CAME BACK AND TOLD ME THE
SITUATION.
SITUATION. IT IS VERY UPSETTING TO SEE PAT
CIPOLLONE AND JAY SEKULOW AND
THEY WERE -- P PAT CIPOLLONE WAS
IN SEVERAL MEETINGS AND WHEN THE
BOOK COMES OUT THERE WILL BE
SOMETHING OF A REVELATION.
>> WERE YOU AWARE OF PAT
CIPOLLONE IN ANY MEETINGS OTHER
THAN THE ONE THAT BOLTON
MENTIONED ACCORDING TO "THE NEW
YORK TIMES" ARTICLE.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
>> ABSOLUTELY. THERE ARE SEVERAL THAT RUDY TOLD
ME.
ME. HE WAS A MAJORITY IT WAS HIM AND
MULVANEY WAS MOSTLY THERE AND
BOLTON WAS AT SOME, POMPEO WAS
AT SOME.
AT SOME. BUT CIPOLLONE WAS AT MOST OF
THEM, GIULIANI TOLD ME.
>> AND YOU MENTIONED LINDSEY
GRAHAM, WHAT IF ANYTHING DID
GIULIANI SAY ABOUT LINDSEY
GRAHAM’S ROLE IN REMOVING THE
AMBASSADOR AND WAS HE AWARE AT
THE TIME OF THE LARGER PLOT OF
TRYING TO GET THE BIDEN PROBE AT
THAT TIME?
THAT TIME? BEFORE IT WAS PUBLIC?
>> LINDSEY GRAHAM WAS TO MY
KNOWLEDGE GIULIANI TOLD ME HIS
INVOLVEMENT WAS GOING BACK TO AT
LEAST DECEMBER OF ’18 WHEN HE
TOLD ME THAT ONE OF HIS
INVESTIGATORS BART SWARTZ HAD
ONE OF HIS OPERATIVES WRITE SOME
LETTERS TO LINDSAY THAT GIULIANI
DELIVERED TALKING ABOUT CERTAIN
CORRUPTION IN UKRAINE AND
CERTAIN PEOPLE THAT WERE
ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
GIULIANI ASKED ME TO MEET WITH
THAT INDIVIDUAL, WHICH I DID.
AND VETTED A LITTLE BIT.
THEN LINDSAY BACK IN JANUARY
WHEN WE DID THE SHOKIN
INTERVIEW, GIULIANI DIDN’T TRUST
THE FBI OR ANYBODY TO TAKE IT TO
AND THE ONLY PERSON HE TRUSTED
WAS LINDSEY GRAHAM AND THAT IS
WHO HE WOULD TAKE IT IT TO.
SO IT WAS UNDERSTOOD EVEN AT
EARLY STAGES THAT LINDSEY GRAHAM
WAS INVOLVED IN A -- AND AWARE
OF WHAT WAS GOING ON.
NOW WHAT HE DID, THAT IS WHAT WE
HAVE -- WE HAVE A TRIAL FOR.
AND IF THE WITNESSES COME OUT,
WE WOULD HEAR MORE AND SEE IF HE
TOOK ANY ACTION ON CERTAIN
THINGS THAT I COULD TESTIFY AND
DATES THAT GIULIANI TOLD ME.
>> AND IN YOUR NEW LETTER YOU
WOULD HAVE TESTIFIED TO A
CONVERSATION THAT YOU SAY YOU
HEARD BETWEEN GIULIANI AND RICK
PERRY WHO IS THEN RUNNING THE
ENERGY DEPARTMENT AND QUOTE, YOU
SAID A QUID PRO QUO WAS CONVEYED
BY MR. PERRY TO ZELENSKY.
WHAT COULD YOU TELL US ABOUT
THAT.
THAT. >> ABSOLUTELY.
>> ABSOLUTELY. THAT WAS PART OF THE WHOLE PLAN.
WHEN SECRETARY -- EXCUSE ME,
WHEN VICE PRESIDENT PENCE WAS
CANCELLED TO GO TO THE
INAUGURATION, THE UKRAINIANS
HELD AN EMERGENCY PARLIAMENTARY
MEETING TO GET THAT DONE QUICKLY
NOT TO GET EMBARRASSED BECAUSE
THEY DIDN’T KNOW WHO THE UNITED
STATES WOULD SEND.
THE REASON WHY RICK PERRY WAS
SENT IS BECAUSE HE IS GOOD
FRIENDS WITH RUDY GIULIANI AND
THEY’VE KNOWN EACH OTHER FOR A
LONG TIME AND HE WAS CHOSEN
BECAUSE HE WOULD GIVE THE RIGHT
MESSAGE AT THAT TIME, I WASN’T
AWARE HE WAS ONE OF THE THREE
AMIGOS BUT NOW LISTENING TO THE
EVIDENCE IT MAKES MORE SENSE WHY
IT WAS PERRY THAT WENT.
ON THE WAY THERE, I WAS IN PARIS
WITH RUDY AND RUDY TOLD ME ABOUT
THE MESSAGE THAT HE TOLD BOLTON
THAT -- EXCUSE ME, NOT BOLTON
BUT SECRETARY PERRY -- NOT
SECRETARY, AMBASSADOR PERRY TO
TRANSLATE TO PRESIDENT ZELENSKY
AT THE TIME AND THEN WHEN PERRY
LEFT UKRAINE WE WAITED UNTIL HE
GOT TO THE STATES BECAUSE HE
DIDN’T WANT TO TALK FROM UKRAINE
AND HE CALLED RUDY AND HE WAS ON
SPEAKER PHONE WHERE HE BASICALLY
TOLD HIM THAT HE CONVEYED THE
MESSAGE AND THAT EVERYTHING IS
GOING TO BE GREAT AND ZELENSKY
WOULD FOLLOW THROUGH.
AND ACTUALLY IF YOU RECALL AND
YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THAT TIME
ZELENSKY DID MAKE AN
ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT CORRUPTION IF
I RECALL PROPERLY AND THAT UPSET
BOTH OF THEM BECAUSE PERRY,