MAR.
MARIA: HOW IS THE CHINA POLICY
OUT OF THIS WHITE HOUSE, IN YOUR
VIEW?
>> OH, IT’S IN SHAMBLES.
THEY’VE BEEN FEARFUL TO EVEN
CONTINUE POLICIES FROM THE PRIOR
ADMINISTRATION CLAIMING THAT IN
THEIR WOKENESS THAT THEY’RE
CONCERNED THAT THEY COULD BE
TARGETING INDIVIDUALS.
WELL, OF COURSE, THEY WOULD BE
TARGETING OUR ADVERSARY, CHINA.
IN THIS INSTANCE, I THINK THAT
THE ABSTENTION OF THE UNITED
NATIONS IN SPORT OF RUSSIA’S
INVASION OF -- IN SUPPORT OF
RUSSIA’S INVASION OF UKRAINE
GOES RIGHT TO CHINA’S THREATS TO
TODAY WAN -- TAIWAN.
SEAN: CONGRESSMAN MIKE TURNER
SPEAKING TO MARIA LAST MONTH ON
PRESIDENT BIDEN’S CHINA POLICY.
BIDEN RECENTLY MET WITH XI
JINPING IN INDONESIA WHERE THE
WHITE HOUSE SAYS THEY DISCUSSED
A RANGE OF ISSUES FROM TAIWAN TO
THE ORIGINS OF COVID.
THE MEETING COMES AS CHINA HOLDS
NEARLY $1 TRILLION IN U.S.
NATIONAL DEBT AND INTELLECTUAL
PROPERTY THEFT BY THE CCP HAS
BEEN ON THE RISE.
MEANWHILE, PROTESTS HAVE BROKEN
OUT IN CHINA OVER THE CCP’S ZERO
COVID POLICIES WITH SOME
DEMONSTRATORS EVEN CALLING FOR
PRESIDENT XI TO STEP DOWN.
JOINING ME NOW IS WISCONSIN
REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN MIKE
GALLAGHER, MEMBER OF THE HOUSE
INTEL COMMITTEE AND HOUSE ARMED
SERVICES COMMITTEE.
MIKE, OR CONGRESSMAN, GOOD TO
SEE YOU.
I WANT TO GET YOUR TAKE ON THESE
PROTESTS THAT’S HAPPENING IN
CHINA RIGHT NOW OVER THE ZERO
COVID POLICY.
YOU DON’T SEE PEOPLE IN CHINA
TAKING TO THE STREETS, AND YOU
ALSO DON’T SEE THEM CALLING FOR
XI’S REMOVAL.
IS CHINA STARTS TO -- STARTING
TO CRACK?
>> WELL, I DON’T THINK THE
CONTROL OF THE CHINESE COMMUNIST
PARTY IS STARTING TO CRACK.
, AND I PURGED ANY DISSENTERS AT
THE 20TH PARTY CONGRESS, BUT
THEY WILL CONTINUE TO CRACK DOWN
ON THEIR CITIZENS, AND WHO KNOWS
WHERE THAT LEADS.
THINK WHERE WE ARE.
THREE YEARS AFTER A VIRUS THAT
LIKELY LEAKED FROM A LAB IN
WUHAN, CHINA, THEY’RE STILL
WELDING CHINESE PEOPLE INTO
THEIR APARTMENTS.
WE’VE HAD APARTMENT BUILDINGS
BURN DOWN WITH PEOPLE LOCKED
INSIDE.
WE HAVE TODDLERS BEING TAKEN
FROM THEIR PARENTS AND PUT INTO
QUARANTINE CAMPS.
THEY’RE USING THE PRETENSING OF
PUBLIC HEALTH IN ORDER TO
INSTITUTE A SYSTEM OF TOTAL
TECHNO-TOTALITARIAN CONTROL, AND
THAT’S NOT JUST FOR DOMESTIC
USE, THAT’S A MODEL OF
REPRESSION THEY WANT TO EXPORT
AROUND THE WORLD.
AND ULTIMATELY, WHAT THE CHINESE
COMMUNIST PARTY FEARS MORE THAN
ANYTHING ELSE, ITS OWN CITIZENS.
IT KNOWS THAT A THEY ARE AN
ILLEGITIMATE ENTITY.
THEY DON’T HAVE LEGITIMACY FROM
THE POPULATION.
THEY FEAR THEIR OWN CITIZENS.
AND SO WE NEED TO, AS THE CCP
CRACKS DOWN AND DOUBLES DOWN ON
PRESENTATION, WE NEED TO DOUBLE
DOWN ON FREEDOM.
THAT’S HOW WE WIN OVER THE LONG
TERM, RIGHT?
WE HAVE TOO MANY PEOPLE BASHING
AMERICA, TOO MANY USEFUL ID I
DON’T WANTS IN THE AMERICAN
MEDIA.
WE NEED -- IDIOTS.
WE NEED TO EMBRACE AMERICAN
VALUES AS A SELF-EVIDENT
CONTRAST TO THE ORWELLIAN
OPPRESSION IF OF THE CCP.
THAT’S HOW WE WIN THE
IDEOLOGICAL FIGHT, BY
REMEMBERING THAT WE’RE THE GOOD
GUYS.
SEAN: THAT’S A GOOD POINT.
WHAT’S TROUBLING TO ME,
CONGRESSMAN, IS YOU HAVE SO MANY
AMERICAN BUSINESS LEADERS, THE
WORLD ECONOMIC FORUM, DAVOS,
CHARLES SCHWAB, ALL LOOK AND SAY
THE MODEL OF THE FUTURE IS
CHINA.
I AGREE WITH YOU, THE MODEL
SHOULD BE FREEDOM.
I WANT TO GET YOUR TAKE ON THIS,
YOU’RE ON THE INTEL COMMITTEE, A
TRILLION OF AMERICA’S DEBT IS
OWNED BY THE CHINESE.
WE’VE GIVEN THEM AN ECONOMIC
NUCLEAR BOMB.
IS THE THREAT OF THIS DEBT OWNED
BY CHINA BEING CONSIDERED BY
INTEL?
>> NOT SUFFICIENTLY.
ONE THING WE’VE DISCOVERED IS
THAT WHEN WE WAR GAME OUT, LET’S
SAY A TAIWAN SCENARIO, WE WAR
GAME OUT THE KINETIC SIDE, THE
CONVENTIONAL MILITARY SIDE, WE
RARELY INCLUDE TREASURY,
COMMERCE.
WE RARELY WAR GAME THE FINANCIAL
ESCALATION.
WE SAW THIS IN UKRAINE IN 2014
AND IN THIS PAST YEAR.
WE HAD TO IMPROVISE AND MAKE UP
OUR FINANCIAL AND ECONOMIC
WARFARE STRATEGY.
THE SAME IS TRUE WITH CHINA.
AND AT THE SAME TIME A, XI IS
PREPARING HIS CITIZENRY FOR
ECONOMIC WARFARE WITH THE WEST.
WE ALSO JUST NEED TO GET OUR OWN
FISCAL HOUSE IN ORDER.
IT’S INSANE.
WE HAVE UNFUNDED LIABILITIES TO
THE TUNE OF OVER $100 TRILLION.
WE CAN’T JUST INCREASE THE DEBT
CEILING WITHOUT STRUCTURAL
REFORMS.
THERE ARE THINGS WE CAN DO
WHETHER IT’S THE RAINES ACT,
WHETHER IT’S THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT WORKER ATTRITION THE
ACT.
THERE’S A VARIETY OF STRUCTURAL
REFORMS WE NEED OTHERWISE WE’RE
JUST GOING TO DESTROY OURSELVES
LONG BEFORE THE CHINESE
COMMUNIST PARTY BEATS US IN A
WAR OVER TAIWAN.
SEAN: NO.
OUR CURRENCY IS GOING TO
COLLAPSE.
YOU CAN’T KEEP BORROWING AND
SPENDING THIS WAY FOR MUCH
LONGER.
I WANT TO GET YOUR TAKE ON THIS,
WE NOW KNOW THAT CHINESE-ALIGNED
COMPANIES ARE MINING DATA ON
AMERICAN CITIZENS.
FOR EXAMPLE, TIKTOK THE, VERY
POPULAR APP THAT A LOT OF OUR
KIDS USE.
DONALD TRUMP WAS PUSHING A
SEPARATION OF TIKTOK FROM THE
CCP, BUT OTHER COMPANIES ARE
DOING IT.
IS THAT SOMETHING THE CONGRESS
SHOULD BE LOOKING AT?
RULES SHOULD BE IN PLACE THAT
THE CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY
SHOULD BE MINING DATA OFF OF
AMERICAN CITIZENS?
>> TIKTOK SHOULD BE BANNED.
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO AND I HAVE
LEGISLATION THAT DOES EXACTLY
THAT.
TIKTOK IS DIGITAL FENTANYL
ADDICTING OUR KIDS.
AND JUST LIKE ACTUAL FENTANYL,
IT ULTIMATE LITTLE GOES BACK --
ULTIMATELY GOES BACK TO THE
CHINESE ECONOMY.
THE CCP CAN TRACK YOUR LOCATION,
IT CAN TRACK YOUR KEY STROKES,
IT CAN CENSOR YOUR NEWS.
WHY WOULD WE GIVE OUR FOREMOST
ADVERSARY THAT A AMOUNT OF
POWER?
AND, OH, BY THE WAY, TIKTOK IS
USING THE SWAMP AGAINST US.
THEY’RE HIRING AN ARMY OF
LOBBYISTS INCLUDING FORMER
CONGRESSMEN, SENATORS, 31 FORMER
HIGH-LEVEL CONGRESSIONAL
STAFFERS IN ORDER TO DO THEIR
BIDDING.
NO PAYCHECK IS WORTH THAT, OKAY?
WE NEED TO BAN TIKTOK.
SEAN: SPEAKING OF TIKTOK, I’M
THINKING OF SOCIAL MEDIA HERE,
ELON MUSK JUST TWEETED OUT A
PICTURE OF A CLOSET FULL OF STAY
WOKE T-SHIRTS AT TWITTER.
HE’S SAYING I’M GOING TO MAKE
THIS A FREE SPEECH PLATFORM.
HE MAY LEASE THE INFORMATION
ABOUT WHY THE HUNTER BIDEN
LAPTOP STORY WAS CENSORED.
IF DO YOU HAVE SOME HOPE WITH
ELON MUCKS TAKING THE HELM OF
TWITTER?
>> WELL, I HOPE SO.
YOU KNOW, I DON’T KNOW, MY -- I
GUESS MY MORE LUDDITE VIEW IS
THAT WE’RE ALL JUST SPENDING TOO
MUCH TIME ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
BUT I THINK FULL TRANSPARENCY IS
SOMETHING THAT’S WELCOME
PARTICULARLY ON THE HUNTER BIDEN
STORY.
BY THE WAY, THERE’S SOMETHING WE
CAN DO IN A
REPUBLICAN-CONTROLLED HOUSE
HERE.
WE SHOULD INVESTIGATE EVERYBODY
THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, SIGNED THAT
LETTER, FORMER HIGH-LEVEL
INTELLIGENCE OFFICIALS THAT SAID
THIS WAS RUSSIAN DISINFORMATION.
TURNS OUT THAT WAS A LIE, AND IF
PEOPLE ARE ABUSING THEIR CURRENT
OR FORMER POSTS IN THE
INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY TO MEDDLE
IN AMERICAN POLITICS, I THINK
THAT’S SOMETHING WE SHOULD
INVESTIGATE.
SEAN: CONGRESSMAN, THE POWER OF
THE MAJORITY IS THE POWER OF THE
GAVEL.
YOU CAN SUBPOENA PEOPLE PEOPLE,
YOU CAN HAVE HEARINGS.
I’M LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING