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>> Stephen: HEY, EVERYBODY, WE'RE BACK WITH THE AUTHOR OF
"TOO MUCH AND NEVER ENOUGH" MARY TRUMP.
WHEN I READ THE THINGSK LIKE YOU ARE SAYING, BUT IN THE BOOK I
THINK WELL THIS IS, THIS IS THE SO OF
SELF-EVIDENCE-- SELF-EVIDENTLY TRUE, NOT THAT I KNEW ALL OF
THESE THINGS BUT SELF-EVIDENTLY TRUE WHEN I READ THEM BECAUSE
YOU CAN SEE THE BEHAVIOR OF THE PRESIDENT RIGHT NOW.
I SAID BEFORE, IN SOME WAYS DONALD TRUMP IS A BORING FIGURE
BECAUSE HE IS SO READABLE IN HIS MOTIVATIONS SEEM SO TRANSPARENT.
THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE A SECOND LAYER THAT YOU ARE ISES
AMING.
ST NOT THREE DIMENSIONAL.
IT IS JUST CHECKERS THE ENTIRE TIME.
BECAUSE THE REFS US CAN SEE IT SO CLEARLY AND YOU AND THE
FAMILY KNOW SOME OF THESE MOTIVATIONS FOR THIS, THE
PERSONALITY TRAITS, DO YOU THINK EVERYBODY ELSE IN YOUR FAMILY
ALSO SEEING IT BUT JUST DECIDES TO NEVER SAY ANYTHING?
>> I THINK THAT, YOU NO HE, IT'S IMPOSSIBLE FOR ME TO KNOW THE
EXTENT TO WHICH THEY-- .
>> Stephen: DO THEY EVER SAY ANYTHING LIKE LOOK, LOOK, LOOK,
WE KNOW, WE KNOW, PLEASE DON'T SAY ANYTHING?
>> UM, I HAVEN'T HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH SOME PEOPLE
IN MY FAMILY BUT OTHERS, YEAH, THEY'RE AWARE.
BUT THEY ARE ALL SORT OF TIED TOGETHER IN WAYS THAT WOULD MAKE
IT IMPOSSIBLE TO BREACH WHAT THEY WOULD CONSIDER FAMILY
ROYALTIES.
SO NONE OF THEM WILL EVER SAY ANYTHING.
>> IN THE BOOK YOU COMPARE PRESIDENT TRUMP TO
FRANKENSTEIN'S MONSTER AND FRANKERENSTEIN IS IN A CERTAIN
EXTENT A SIM PATHETIC FIGURE.
TO WHAT DEGREE IS THE PRESIDENT A VICTIM AS WELL AS A VIL AN?
>> I THINK IF WE LOOK SIMPLY AT WHAT HE EXPERIENCED AS A CHILD,
WE SHOULD HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF COMPASSION FOR WHAT THAT CHILD
EXPERIENCED, WITNESSED AND SUFFERED.
HOWEVER THAT HAVING BEEN SAID, DONALD IS AN ADULT HUMAN BEING
WHO UNDERSTANDS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RIGHT AND WRONG.
HE DOESN'T THINK THAT THE RULES APPLY TO THEM BUT HE UNDERSTANDS
THEM.
AND THAT WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE COMPASSION FOR AND IT CERTAINLY
DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO HOLD HIM ACCOUNTABLE.
>> THE FINANCIAL RECORDS FROM YOUR GRANDFATHER'S ESTATE IT WAS
AN IN-DEPTH SERIES OF ARTICLES, NEW YORK TIMES WHICH IF I'M NOT
MISTAKEN WON THE PULITZER PRIZE, WHY DID YOU GIVE THEM THOSE,
WHAT DID YOU THINK THE PUBLIC HAD THE RIGHT TO KNOW?
>> THE MAIN REASON I DID, INITIALLY WAS BECAUSE SUZANNE
CRAIG, INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST EXTRAORDINARY WAS SO PERSISTENT
AND WAS ABLE TO CONVEY TO ME THAT I ACTUALLY HAD INFORMATION
THAT COULD HELP IN A CONCRETE WAY.
WHICH I DIDN'T REALIZE.
I TOTALLY HAD FORGOTTEN THOSE DOCUMENTS, IT HAD BEEN THE
LAWSUIT THROUGH WHICH I GOT THEM, AND THEN ALMOST 20 YEARS
IN THE PAST, I HAD NO IDEA.
SO HAVING SOMETHING TANGIBLE AND FINALLY FEELING LIKE I COULD DO
SOMETHING THAT WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE CON VNSED ME TO MAKE
THAT LEAP.
THE REASON I FELT IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR THAT STORY TO COME
OUT, EVEN THOUGH HONESTLY THERE WAS NO WAY TO KNOW WHAT THE
STORY WOULD BE, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS IN THE
DOCUMENTS YET, WAS BECAUSE I FELT THAT IN 2015 A LOT OF
VOTERS DIDN'T HAVE ALL OF THE INFORMATION THEY NEEDED TO MAKE
AN INFORMED DECISION. AND I WANTED TO DO WHAT I I COULD TO
CHANGE THAT.
>> Stephen: WHAT TREATMENT DO WE NEED?
WHAT THERAPY DO WE NEED AS A NATION TO HONESTLY ADDRESS WHAT
HAPPENED TO US?
>> I THINK ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO IS
ENSURE THAT PEOPLE, THAT WE FIRST OF ALL FIND OUT ALL OF THE
THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE IN THE LAST THREE YEARS, TO GET US
WHERE WE ARE TODAY WHICH IS A VERY DARK PLACE.
PARTICULARLY IN REGARDS TO COVID-19 BUT CERTAINLY
STRETCHING BACK TO THE VERY BEGINNING AND THE SITUATION AT
THE BORDER AND THE INCARCERATION AND KIDNAPPING ESSENTIALLY OF
CHILDREN.
AND WHEN WE FIND OUT WE NEED TO HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE WHICH IS
SOMETHING THAT THIS COUNTRY IS VERY BAD AT DOING.
>> HAVE YOU EVER SEEN YOUR UNCLE BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR
ANYTHING.
>> THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
WHEN YOU ARE NOT HELD ACCOUNTABLE, AND PEOPLE FAIL TO
HOLD YOU ACCOUNTABLE, THE MESSAGE IS I CAN KEEP DOING WHAT
I AM DOING.
AND THE MESSAGE DONALD GETS IS THAT HE CAN ALSO DOUBLE DOWN.
AND HE'S GETTING AWAY WITH IT.
>> Stephen: WERE YOU FRIGHTENED AT ALL TO PUBLISH
THIS BOOK ABOUT RETALIATION FOR HAVING DONG SO?
>> NO, I EXPECTED THERE WILL BE RETALIATION.
BUT MY-- I FELT AN OBLIGATION TO DO THIS.
AND THAT OUTWEIGHS ALL THOSE-- ALL OTHER CONSIDERATIONS
AND YOU KNOW, I'M TAKING NECESSARY PRECAUTIONS.
BUT NO, I'M NOT-- I DON'T FEEL FEAR AT ALL.
>> Stephen: WE HAVE TO TAKER IN BREAK BUT STICK AROUND.
WE'LL BE BACK WITH MORE OF THE AUTHOR OF "TOO MUCH AND NEVER
ENOUGH" MARY TRUMP.
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