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>>> MARGARET LARSON, IT'S DOVE McKAGAN.
McKAGAN.
McKAGAN. I WANT TO CONGRATULATE YOU ON
YOUR WONDERFUL CAREER AT NEW
DAY.
DAY.
DAY. WE
DAY. WE HAVE ENJOYED YOU SO MUCH.
CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR
RETIREMENT.
RETIREMENT. YOU ARE THE BEST.
YOU ROCK.
YOU ROCK.
YOU ROCK. YOU KNOW YOU ROCK.
YOU'RE THE BEST.
CONGRATULATIONS.
CONGRATULATIONS. [ LAUGHTER ]
>>> WOW, THESE ARE ALL
SURPRISES BY THE WAY, THESE
MESSAGES, AND THAT'S DOVE
McKAGAN WHO IS MAGICAL, AND MY
FAVORITE BAND IS GUNS AND
ROSES.
ROSES.
ROSES. THANK YOU, THAT MEAN AS LOT.
>>> FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS I
HAVE BEEN SHARING A DRESSING
AND MAKEUP ROOM WITH JOYCE
TAYLOR WHO IS A COLLEAGUE AND
DEAR FRIEND.
DEAR FRIEND. WE HAVE KNOWN EACH OTHER FOR
20 YEARS.
20 YEARS.
20 YEARS. WE DECIDED TO HAVE ME SIT ON
THE COUCH, SO TO SPEAK AND
HAVE HER DO THE INTERVIEW.
HERE'S PART OF OUR
CONVERSATION.
CONVERSATION. >>> THIS IS KIND OF A STREAM
COME TRUE A TWIST OF FATE I
GET TO INTERVIEW YOU.
IT'S A FIRST FOR ME.
>> I'M A LITTLE WORRY WORRIED
BECAUSE YOU KNOW EVERYTHING.
>> I WAS OUT THE LAST WEEK AND
THINKING ABOUT WHAT YOU MAY BE
THINKING AS YOU'RE COUNTING
DOWN TO YOUR LAST SHOW.
>> YEAH.
>> YEAH.
>> YEAH. >> REFLECTING ON THE CAREER
THAT SPANS ALMOST FOUR
DECADES, AND WHAT HAVE YOU
BEEN THINKING ABOUT?
>> YOU KNOW, THIS IS -- MAYBE
SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH ME.
I TEND TO BE VERY NOW
ORIENTED, AND THE ONLY TIMES I
HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT WHAT DOES
IT MEAN TO END A CAREER IS
SENDING CLIPS OR PICTURES THAT
THEY NEEDED FOR SOMETHING AND
THINKING ABOUT THAT, BUT I'M
PRETTY IN THE PRESENT AND WHAT
THE NEXT THING IS, AND I'M
LOOKING VERY FORWARD TO THE
NEXT CHAPTER.
NEXT CHAPTER. I FEEL LIKE I HAD A WONDERFUL
TIME IN THIS BUSINESS, MET THE
SMARTEST PEOPLE, HAD AMAZING
EXPERIENCES, LEARNED A LOT, I
COULDN'T BE MORE GRATEFUL, AND
IT ALSO FEELS LIKE THIS IS THE
PART WHERE I GO ON TO
SOMETHING ELSE, AND IT JUST
FEELS THAT WAY.
>> YOU ARE PROBABLY NOT ONE
THAT HAS THOUGHT TO YOURSELF,
I WONDER WHAT MY LEGACY IS
GOING TO BE OR WHAT WILL
PEOPLE REMEMBER ABOUT MY WORK
OR WILL THEY REMEMBER THIS
STORY OR I WENT TO THIS PLACE,
BUT NOW THAT YOU'RE CALLING AT
LEAST THIS PART OF YOUR
CAREER.
CAREER.
CAREER. WHAT IS IT YOU WANT PEOPLE TO
REMEMBER ABOUT THE WORK YOU
HAVE DONE?
HAVE DONE? >> I HOPE THAT SOMEWHERE ALONG
THE WAY I DID GOOD WITH THE
STORIES I HAVE TOLD, AND I
HOPE PEOPLE WILL THINK I DID
THAT WITH INTEGRITY AND GOOD
INTENT.
INTENT.
INTENT. THAT'S THE NUB OF IT.
I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT
JOURNALISM WAS ABOUT MAKING A
DIFFERENCE IN SOME WAY OR
ANOTHER.
ANOTHER.
ANOTHER. I DON'T MEAN ADVOCATING A
CERTAIN POINT OF VIEW, BUT BY
HELPING TO SHINE A LIGHT ON
THINGS PEOPLE WERE SUFFERING
THROUGH, THINGS THAT WERE
HAPPENING THAT WERE NOT JUST
OR RIGHT, AND WAYS WE CAN DO
SOMETHING ABOUT THAT, AND THEN
PEOPLE MAKE THEIR OWN
DECISIONS, BUT I HOPE THAT IT
WILL BE REMEMBERED AS
SOMETHING THAT CAME FROM A
MORAL COMPASS AND INTEGRITY, I
HOPE.
>>
>> THERE
>> THERE ARE A FEW PEOPLE I HAVE MET AROUND THE WORLD,
NONE OF THEM FAMOUS, REALLY,
BUT PEOPLE WHO HAVE DONE
INCREDIBLE WORK IN THE FACE OF
SUCH DIFFICULTY, AND THERE WAS
A WOMAN, IN PARTICULAR, IN
BARUNDI WHO HAD -- THEY HAD A
SLOW ROLLING GENOCIDE NEXT
DOOR TO ROWANDA.
IT WAS THE OTHER WAY AROUND IN
TERMS OF PERP RAY TORES, AND
SHE STARTED TO TAKE IN
CHILDREN.
CHILDREN.
CHILDREN. OVER THE YEARS SHE HAS HOUSED
AND EDUCATED SOMETHING LIKE
30,000 KIDS ORPHANED BY THE
WAR AND GENOCIDE THERE.
PEOPLE ARE UNASSUMING AND
LOVING AND FULL OF LIFE, AND
IT'S JUST A PLEASURE TO BE A
HUMAN BEING WITH THEM.
TO IMAGINE YOU'RE SOMEHOW IN
THEIR SPHERE, THAT'S THE BEST
PART OF THE JOB.
PEOPLE ARE AMAZING.
I KNOW WE ARE LIVING THROUGH
THE TIME RIGHT NOW, AND
THERE'S A LOT OF UGLINESS, BUT
PEOPLE ARE AMAZING.
>> WHO ELSE WOULD BE ON THE
LIST OF THE MANY PEOPLE THAT
YOU HAVE HAD THE CHANCE TO
TALK TO THAT HAVE THAT MORAL
COURAGE OR SOMEONE SO
MEMORABLE TO YOU, YOU KNEW
THIS IS MY CALLING, THIS IS
THE RIGHT PROFESSION FOR ME?
>> I THINK THE STORY THAT
CHANGED MY LIFE THE MOST WOULD
HAVE BEEN IN SOUTHERN TURKEY
DURING THE WAR.
I LIVED IN A TENT WITH THE
TROOPS, AND WE DROVE OUR JEEPS
ACROSS THE NORTHERN IRAQI
BORDER AND THE THE KURDS WERE
RUNNING FOR THEIR LIVES.
I COVERED THE DOCTORS WITHOUT
BORDERS WHO WERE MAKING THE
BEST OF THE DIFFICULT
CIRCUMSTANCES, AND THIS IS THE
PLACE I SAID I'M GOING TO DO
JOURNALISM BUT ALWAYS HAVE A
FOOT IN THAT WORD IF I CAN,
AND I HAVE BEEN FORTUNATE TO
BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
>> YOU HAVE DONE ALL THIS
WHILE BEING A WIFE AND MOM.
AS YOU LOOK OUT TO THE FUTURE
WE HOPE TO LEAVE OUR KIDS WHAT
ARE YOU MOST HOPEFUL ABOUT AND
MOST CONCERNED ABOUT?
>> EASILY MOST CONCERNED ABOUT
THE POLARIZATION AND THE LACK
OF LISTENING AND -- I THINK
WHAT WE MAY ALL DESCRIBE AS A
CERTAIN JUST NOT CARING ABOUT
WHAT OTHER PEOPLE'S
EXPERIENCES ARE LIKE.
THAT STRIKES ME AS MAYBE A
LONG-TERM SOCIETAL ISSUE THAT
WILL BE DIFFICULT TO KNIT BACK
TOGETHER, AND ECONOMIC
SITUATIONS THAT WILL BE
DIFFICULT TO KNIT BACK
TOGETHER FOR THE KIDS' AGES
AND OTHER PEOPLE, BUT I'M
HOPEFUL BECAUSE, FOR EXAMPLE,
SINCE JOHN LEWIS WENT INTO THE
ROTUNDA, AND I WAS LISTENING
TO SOME OF THE YOUNG PEOPLE
TALK ABOUT MEETING HIM AND
WHAT THEY GOT FROM MEETING HIM
AND LEARNING MORE ABOUT HIS
LIFE, AND HE TOLD US, HE TOLD
US, DON'T WORRY.
IT'S GOING TO BE OKAY.
I CHOOSE TO KEEP THAT IN MY
HEAD.
HEAD.
HEAD. >>
HEAD. >> I KNOW AS A MOM WE HAVE
BOYS ABOUT THE SAME AGE, AND I
THINK A LOT ABOUT THIS.
I THINK OF THE FUTURE WE ARE
LEAVING OUR KIDS OR WHAT THEIR
ROLE IS GOING TO BE.
I WAS INTERVIEWING SOMEONE THE
OTHER DAY, AND IT REALLY GAVE
ME PAUSE WHEN HE SAID MY HOPE
IS THAT MY CHILDREN WILL BE
ACTIVE AND CHANGE MAKERS SO
THAT MY GRANDCHILDREN WON'T
HAVE TO BE.
>> I THINK AS JOURNALISTS,
WOMEN, AND ESPECIALLY AS MOMS,
WE HAVE A ROLE TO PLAY.
>> WHAT'S THE ROLE?
>> YOUR MIND.
>>
>> THE
>> THE ROLE IS TO POINT TO THE TRUTH, REGARDLESS OF THE FACT
THAT IT MAKES PEOPLE
UNCOMFORTABLE.
UNCOMFORTABLE. TO HEAR THE TRUTH ABOUT
OURSELVES DESPITE THE FACT IT
MAY BE UNCOMFORTABLE.
TO THINK A NEW ABOUT STUFF WE
THINK WE KNOW, AND TO EDUCATE
OURSELVES, AND I THINK YOU MAY
COME TO A DIFFERENT CONCLUSION
THAN I MIGHT, BUT LET'S ALL BE
-- LET'S ALL BE ALL IN ON
LISTENING TO ONE ANOTHER, AND
UNDERSTANDING, AND THINGS YOU
HAVE NOT SEEN, AND THE THINGS
YOU HAVE NOT LIVED, AND THEY
ARE REAL.
ARE REAL.
ARE REAL. OTHER PEOPLE'S EXPERIENCES ARE
REAL.
REAL.
REAL. >>
REAL. >> YOU HAVE NOT HEARD THE LAST
OF ME.
OF ME.
OF ME. I
OF ME. I WILL BE CALLING ON YOU.
WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS
MARGARET?
MARGARET?
MARGARET? GO LEFT OR RIGHT?
YOU HAVE BEEN SO HELPFUL IN MY
CAREER.
CAREER.
CAREER. >> I WILL BE DOING THE SAME.
>> WE WILL BE FOLLOWING YOU.
I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE WHAT YOU
DO NEXT.
DO NEXT.
DO NEXT. >> LOVE YOU.
>> I LOVE YOU, TOO.
>> BYE!
>> BYE!
>> BYE! >> BYE!
>> BYE!
>> BYE! >> AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, IT
CERTAINLY WAS MORE THAN A
SEVEN-MINUTE CONVERSATION.
SEVEN-MINUTE CONVERSATION. WE WILL POST THE REST OF THE
DISCUSSION ONLINE IF YOU WANT
TO SEE.
TO SEE.
TO SEE. AHEAD THIS HOUR, LOOKING BACK
ON OUR FAVORITE MOMENTSES OF
NEW DAY.
NEW DAY.
NEW DAY. WE WILL SHARE THOSE WITH YOU
AFTER THE BREAK.
>>> HI, MARGARET, OH MY GOSH,
I LOVED WORKING WITH YOU FOR
THE LAST TEN YEARS ON NEW DAY