TAR HEEL FAN, AS WELL. >> I WAS GOING TO GO BLUE IN
FAITH, BUT WITHOUT HIM, I’M NOT
FEELING IT.
FEELING IT. >> 6:00 P.M. TONIGHT, WHICH IS
GOOD FOR ME.
AS THE DAYS TICKED BY, A
HISTORICALLY DIVERSE AND CROWDED
FIELD OF DEMOCRATS BATTLING IT
OUT TO BECOME THE PARTY’S
CHAMPION.
CHAMPION. WE STARTED WITH TWO DOZEN
CANDIDATES, THEN THE FIELD
STARTED TO SHRINK.
AS WE WAIT FOR DECISIONS FROM
SOME HEAVY HITTERS LIKE JOE
BIDEN AND BETO O’ROURKE, THERE
IS STILL A PACKED FIELD OF
OFFICIAL CANDIDATES STRUGGLING
TO SET THEMSELVES APART FROM
EACH OTHER.
EACH OTHER. SOME OF THEM SAY THEY REJECT
LABELS, BUT THAT CAN GET
AWKWARD.
AWKWARD. >> WHEN YOU CALL YOURSELF A
PROUD CAPITALIST?
PROUD CAPITALIST? >> YOU KNOW, THE LABELS, I’M NOT
SURE ANY OF THEM FIT.
>> DO YOU CONSIDER YOURSELF A
CAPITALIST?
CAPITALIST? >> WELL, AGAIN, THE LABELS -- I
AM A SMALL BUSINESS PERSON.
>> DO YOU CONSIDER YOURSELF A
CAPITALIST AND DOES CAPITALISM
WORK?
WORK? >> WELL, I THINK I DON’T LOOK AT
MYSELF WITH A LABEL.
>> SHOULDN’T HAVE BEEN
DIFFICULT.
DIFFICULT. LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT JOHN
HICKENLOOPER.
HICKENLOOPER. HE WAS A GEOLOGIST, THEN HE
BECAME A BREWPUBLIC FOUNDER.
JOHN’S COMMENTS STAND IN STARK
CONTRAST TO WHAT WE’VE HEARD
FROM ANOTHER DEMOCRAT WE ARE
CONTINUING TO WATCH.
THAT IS FORMER CONGRESSMAN BETO
O’ROURKE.
O’ROURKE. HE TOLD REPORTERS, QUOTE, I’M A
CAPITALIST.
CAPITALIST. I DON’T SEE HOW WE’RE ABLE TO
MEET ANY OF THE FUNDAMENTAL
CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE AS A
COUNTRY WITHOUT, IN PART,
HARNESSING THE POWER OF THE
MARKETS.
MARKETS. YOU WERE THERE YESTERDAY.
I WAS STRUCK BY BRETT STEVENS’S
COLUMN PICKING UP ON WHAT WAS
HAPPENING ON "MORNING JOE."
HE SAID JOHN HICKENLOOPER OUGHT
TO BE A POSTER CHILD FOR
AMERICAN CAPITALISM.
AMERICAN CAPITALISM. >> WE WERE IN AWE LIKE, DUDE,
SPIT IT OUT, SAY IT.
IT’S A GOOD THING.
IT WILL SEPARATE YOU FROM THE
LEFT OF THE CROWD, IF YOU WILL,
OTHERS WHO DON’T PROBABLY
CONSIDER THEMSELVES CAPITALISTS.
BUT I THINK THE BIGGER ISSUE IS
I DON’T GET THIS WHOLE BETO
THING.
THING. HE LOST THIS ELECTION IN TEXAS.
I’M OLD FASHIONED.
I LOOK AT THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE.
I WANT TO KNOW WHAT HE CAN BRING
AND WHAT YOU BRING TO THE TICKET
AND I DON’T SEE HOW BETO -- I
KNOW HE CAN RAISE MONEY, BUT YOU
DIDN’T WIN IN TEXAS.
SO I DON’T GET WHY WE’RE TALKING
ABOUT HIM.
ABOUT HIM. I CONSIDER HIM A NONSTARTER.
THAT’S JUST MY OPINION.
BUT I THINK JOE BIDEN, THIS IS
HIS IF HE WANTS IT AND I THINK
HE NEEDS TO MAKE A DECISION
SOONER RATHER THAN LATER BECAUSE
HE KEEPS DRAGGING IT OUT AND
PEOPLE ARE GETTING NATIONWIDE BY
THAT.
THAT. >> HOW DO YOU REACT TO THAT, THE
UNEASE CAN
UNEASE CAN UNEASE WITH WHICH HE IS.
HOW SURPRISED ARE YOU BY THAT?
WHAT DOES IT SAY ABOUT LABELS?
HE SAYS HE’S A NO LABELS GUY.
CAN YOU BE A NO LABELS GUYS IN A
DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY?
DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY? >> WE KNOW AS RECENTLY AS I
BELIEVE 2012 HE PRIDED HIMSELF
ON BEING A MODERATE.
AND THERE ARE QUITE A FEW
DEMOCRATS, QUITE FRANKLY, WHO
ARE MODERATES WHO ARE MORE
ANXIOUS ABOUT THE DEMOCRATIC
PARTY AND ARE LOOKING FOR A
DEMOCRAT WHO CAN PROUDLY SAY
THEY’RE A CAPITALIST AND MAKE A
MESSAGE AND ARTICULATE A MESSAGE
THAT CAPITALISM WORKS FOR
EVERYBODY AND CAN WORK FOR
EVERYBODY.
EVERYBODY. I DON’T THINK HE’S GOING TO WIN
PEOPLE FURTHER ON THE WEST BY
NOT COMMIT THALG HE’S A
CAPITALIST.
CAPITALIST. HE PUTS HIMSELF IN A POSITION TO
LOSE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE MOST
LIKELY TO VOTE FOR HIM, ANYWAY.
>> DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT?
>> I DO AGREE WITH THAT.
I THINK YOU DON’T HAVE TO SWIFT
YOURSELF INTO A PRETZEL TO SPEAK
TO THE MOMENT.
AND I WILL GIVE O’ROURKE CREDIT
FOR THAT.
FOR THAT. WHAT HE SAID ACTUALLY IS I THINK
EXACTLY WHERE DEMOCRATS WHO
WANTS TO GET VOTES BELIEVE, YES,
I’M A CAPITALIST.
I’M INTERESTED IN HELPING
ADDRESS THE MARKET ADDRESS TIME
AND EQUALITY.
AND EQUALITY. YOU HAVE TO SPEAK TO THE INCOME
AND EE EQUALITY THAT IS CREATING
ANXIETY IN THIS COUNTRY IN ALL
PARTS FROM NEW YORK CITY TO
RURAL AREAS WITHIN TRUMP’S BASE.
AND I THINK THAT IS WHAT THE
LEFT OF THE PARTY IS REALLY
TRYING TO SPEAK TO.
WHETHER OR NOT THEY GET THAT
RIGHT OR THEIR APPROACH IS THE
BEST WAY, I’M NOT SURE.
BUT I THINK SOMEONE LIKE
HICKENLOOPER MIGHT WANT TO SIT
DOWN AND KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHAT
THE HEART OF THE ISSUE IS HERE.
>> BILL COHEN, WHAT DOES IT SAY
ABOUT CENTERISM, THAT AND WHAT
WE’VE SEEN THIS WEEK.
HOWARD SCHULTZ WHO CONTINUES TO
WAIT IN THE WINGS.
>> HOWARD SCHULTZ BLEW IT FOR
BILLIONAIRES EVERYWHERE WHO
WANTED TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT.
THAT IS PROBABLY WHY MIKE IS NOT
RUNNING.
RUNNING. JOE BIDEN HAS MORE OR LESS AN
OPEN LAIT LANE IN THE CENTRIST
LANE.
LANE. HICKENLOOPER IS A CAPITALIST,
OBVIOUSLY.
OBVIOUSLY. HE’S MADE A LOT OF MONEY.
AND THE WHOLE WORLD, IT’S NOT
JUST HERE.
JUST HERE. IT’S SORT OF THE VICTORIOUS
SYSTEM OF OUR ERA AND MAYBE ONE
DAY IT WILL FALL APART AND WE’LL
TRY SOMETHING ELSE.
BUT I MEAN, TO PRETEND THAT
YOU’RE NOT, NOW ON THE MARGIN
WEBS YOU’RE VUT LIT RIGHT.
WE HAVE TO FIX INCOME AND
EQUALITY.
EQUALITY. WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE HAVE
HEALTH CARE IF THEY NEED IT.
WE HAVE TO FIX THE PROBLEMS OF
CAPITALISM.
CAPITALISM. JUST LIKE WHEN I WROTE IN MY
BOOK WHY WALL STREET MATTERS, WE
HAVE TO FIX THE PROBLEMS OF WALL
STREET, BUT WE WOULDN’T WANT TO
LIVE IN A WORLD IF WALL STREET