Yamiche: Certainly a date we'll
be watching and continue to rely
on you to explain to our
viewers.
We now have to turn to the
surprising developments
surrounding the capitol attack.
So many are talking about this
story.
New audio octobered by the
authors of a soon to be released
book, in the days before the
riot, house speaker Mccarthy
sucked asking president trump to
resign.
>> I think this will pass and it
would be my recommendation you
should resign.
This woulded be my take but I
don't think he would take it but
I don't know.
>> And I've been very clear to
the president, he bears
responsibilities for his words
and actions, no if's, and's or
but's.
I asked him personally today,
does he feel responsibility for
what happened?
Does he feel bad for what
happened?
He told me he does have some
responsibility for what happened
and he needed to acknowledge
that.
Yamiche: Very striking.
Before the release of that audio
you heard, Mccarthy called
reporting by "The New York
Times" journalists totally
false.
Dan, you're the politics, you're
a veteran political reporter.
I wonder what you make of what's
going on here, especially when
your paper, the "Washington
post" is reporting that trump
and Mccarthy talked and that
trump isn't mad for now.
I have to say for now because
that's what that president's
emotions seem to often be like
so how much trouble is Mccarthy
really in right now?
Dan: I think that remains to be
seen but I think this was a
terrible moment for him, to come
out as he did on Thursday and
deny in the way he did, what
"The New York Times" was
reporting and this is from the
book that Jonathan martin and
Alex burns will publish in early
may, that denial was so strong
that when the audio was played
last night on MSNBC, it
completely undid him and I think
it revealed him for what many
people have criticize across --
criticized him for many, many
months.
One, that he's been politically
weak, hypocritical and a third,
that his desire to be the next
speaker if the Republicans win
the midterm elections in
November, have prompted him to
do almost everything imaginable
to be subservient to former
president trump and I think it
was doubly revealing that after
having denied and then been
revealed to have been lying
about the denile that he then
reached out to president trump
as opposed to acknowledging, ok,
yes, I did say this but I never
actually made the call or some
way to kind of worm his way out
of it.
But clearly his concern is that
trump will turn on him and if
trump turns on him, then the
house conference might turn on
him and his dream of being
speaker if they win in November
would go up in smoke.
Yamiche: Dan, that's why we have
you on this show.
It's summaries like that that
makes me want to talk to you
every Friday night.
Laura, the words Dan just used,
undid.
Revealed.
I wonder what you think about
the other part of this audio is
former president trump
acknowledging he has some
responsibility for the capitol
attack.
How much weight does that have
given that trump is in charge of
the.com essentially and he's
continuing to lie about the 2020
election.
He hasn't changed his tone at
all.
Laura: What's so striking about
this rue and everything we're
hearing from the January 6
committee.
Jonathan martin from the "New
York Times" said that's --
there's going to be more times.
But there appears to be no red
line, whether it's a moral or a
constitutional red line for
Republicans when it comes to
trump, which is that trump is
saying he bore some
responsibility for January 6 to
Mccarthy.
We also -- those same reporters
from the "New York Times" said
that Mcconnell agreed that trump
should be impeached and
potentially considered voting to
convict him in the senate.
Mccarthy thought that he should
maybe resign and yesterday,
despite all of that and despite
the fact he they found his
conduct unbecoming to be
president.
They still say they would
support him in he runs in 2024
and that they would -- he would
have their support in running
the country.
Yamiche: David, potentially
weigh in here.
This is the story we were all
talking about last night.
David: What a Washington
moment.
First of all, if you have more
than two people in a Rom in
Washington, assume that there's
a tame and microphone some
place.
Second thing is, I know it
sounds like a really easy thing
to do, particularly for many of
pro-trump Republicans to say,
oh, that was in the "New York
Times" or the "Washington post"
or you name it.
It's got to be wrong.
Let's set aside for a moment
that Jonathan and Alex, both
colleagues of mine, are two of
the finest political reporters
in Washington and if they report
it you can pretty well take it
to the bank but then to have in
this case, the revelation of the
tape moments after the denial, I
mean, really tells you how the
city works it and makes you
wonder what Mccarthy thought he
was doing.
Why he thought he could get away
with this.
Make in the long run he will.
Maybe no one will remember this
come November and December when
we're talking about who's going
to be running the house.
Yamiche: Dan, will there be a
political price to pay for
Mccarthy here?
When you think about the G.O.P.
And especially in that party,
not a lot of people have paid
prices when it comes to false
information and, of course,
president trump, who's playing
party boss and handing out
endorsements, he has not
obviously been truthful so is
there a price to pay for
Mccarthy here?
Dan: I think there's a price to
pay and he's been paying it in
the greater world, in the eyes
of history, if you will.
Kevin Mccarthy's reputation has
sunk over the last 18 months or
more because of the way he has
behaved vis-a-vis former
president trump.
Whether there will be a price to
be paid on what he really cares
about rice -- remains to be
seen.
I think to some or a large
extent, that's in the hands of
president trump and programs
some others in the Republican
conference but those who'll have
gone against president trump
have paid a price within the
party and exhibit a of that is
congresswoman Liz Chaney, who
was on that same call that
was -- where mccar think made
these statements and who is the
vials chair of the January 6
house committee and who's been
driven out of the leadership of
the Republicans in the house and
might well be defeated in
November in her bid for
re-election.
That's the sort of internal
politics of house Republicans
and in that sense Kevin makar
they -- Mccarthy may not pay any
price.