Dr. Charles Sophy is a member of our advisory board.
And he says that Shawn and Angelica are not as actively
involved as they can be.
And are allowing Autumn to control them
and make decisions when she does not have
the tools to do so.
And I couldn't agree more.
And I'm not trying to insult you, or condescend to you,
I'm talking about the fact that I was saying before,
that you're in the middle of this
and it's really hard when you're down in the trenches
to see what's going on.
And she is what we call enmeshed
in this relationship, right?
You see this all the time, Doctor.
Absolutely.
What was it that you did supposedly,
that made her run to him and in her mind,
he has rescued her from you.
And that connection she can't let go.
He's her protector.
Even though he doesn't protect her.
So whatever happened that made you run?
When you said you didn't get fed,
you didn't get a shower, all that stuff.
The way you were telling them,
you were pounding it into them.
You're angry at them I guess, right?
Yes, I'm angry.
Do you ever deal with that with them?
I' mean, yeah we talk about it,
but I mean, definitely I run to DeAndre
because I feel like he does give me like,
what I need and whatever I needed,
and I feel like that's like, true love.
Yeah, but initially you ran to him
and he's protected you.
Yes.
And so that's where she's addicted to this whole thing.
And then I don't know how much drugs and alcohol
are involved in your relationship with him.
I only--
You went to a dispensary the other night.
I do smoke weed,
there's a reason that I smoke weed though.
I have--
But there's a reason everybody smokes weed.
Well I have issues with--
Come on.
I have sleep paralysis.
Yes.
And every single time I try to sleep I wake up paralyzed.
I've been to doctors, they try to prescribe me like,
multiple medications and I just feel like,
weeds a healthier way to help that
because it did completely get rid of that.
Okay but how much is involved
in your relationship with him
and how much does he do?
We do it all the time.
Right.
So I mean there's an addiction piece of it,
and then she gets addicted to also the drama.
And then she found a place to rescue herself.
So that has to be undone so that she can be freed.
You look very perplexed.
And let me tell you what I'm hearing Doctor Sophy say
and I, listen I've...
Doctor Sophy and I, I said he's on our advisory board.
I have a very kind of
off the cuff delivery style,
I don't sound like an old country boy to you,
'cause you're an old country boy.
But to everybody else, I do.
But the truth is, there's a lot of research
and work that goes into these interactions
before they happen.
And one of the things that goes into it
is we have a very blue ribbon advisory board here
of the top minds in psychology, psychiatry,
medicine, sociology, even theology, nursing,
all the different disciplines.
And they're from the top learning centers in America.
Harvard, Yale, Stanford, University of Texas.
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Hook 'em horns.
Just really where I'm able to call in and vet
the different cases that we work on
and get input from really the top minds.
And Doctor Sophy is a very active
and valued member of our advisory board.
And he's board-certified in psychiatry and family practice
and he is also the medical director
of the Department of Child and Family Services here in LA,
which is the largest Department of Child and Family Services
unit in the entire country.
So he sees family dynamics all the time.
And I tell you what I hear him saying is,
her involvement with DeAndre is kinda like having an affair.
It's like you get a husband and wife
and they have to deal with the damn dailies.
paying the bills, raising the kids, doing all this stuff,
but then when one or the other goes off to have an affair,
it's just like a long date.
You know, that's fun.
I mean they don't have to deal with any of the problems.
So here she is dealing with her parents
and you have to deal with discipline and raising
and expectations and having to do all the things
that you have to do when you raise a child.
But then she goes off with DeAndre,
all he does is tell her what she wants to hear
and listens to everything she says about her parents,
and all that sort of stuff.
So he's like the knight that comes in and saves her.
Pay no mind to the fact that he beats her.
But he tells her what she wants to hear
and so this seems like a rescuer.
And that's a dynamic.