>> ARE YOU CONSIDERING PARDONING PAUL MANAFORT.
PAUL MANAFORT. >> I HAVE GREAT RESPECT FOR WHAT
HE’S DONE IN TERMS OF WHAT HE
HAS GONE THROUGH.
HE WORKED FOR RRONALD REAGAN FOR
YEARS.
YEARS. WORKED FOR BOB DOLE.
WORKED FOR MANY PEOPLE MANY
YEARS.
YEARS. WHAT HE DID SOME OF THE CHARGES
THEY THREW AGAINST HIM, EVERY
CONSULT INSTANT, EVERY LOBBYIST
IN WASHINGTON PROBABLY DOES THAT
WAS PRESIDENT TRUMP DODGING A
QUESTION.
QUESTION. >> THE PRESIDENT’S LAWYER TOLD
"THE WASHINGTON POST" TRUMP
DISCUSSED THE POSSIBILITY OF
PAUL MANAFORT SEVERAL WEEKS AGO.
COUNSELLED AGAINST THE IDEA OF
PARDONING.
PARDONING. ANYONE LINKED TO THE
INVESTIGATION OF THE RUSSIA
INTERFERENCE.
INTERFERENCE. SHOULD WAIT UNTIL SPECIAL
COUNSEL ROBERT MUELLER HAS
CONCLUDED PROBE.
CONCLUDED PROBE. GIULIANI ADDED THE PRESIDENT
AGREED AND DID NOT PUSH THE
ISSUE FURTHER.
ISSUE FURTHER. JOINED BY A WHITE HOUSE REPORTER
FOR THE LA TIMES.
THANK YOU IN THIS.
LET’S GET IN AND TALK ABOUT THE
FACT WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT THE
MANAFORT JURY 6789.
I HEARD HER ON FOX LAST NIGHT.
SEEMED LIKE A REASONABLE JUROR
YOU LIKE TO HAVE ON A JURY TO
GET TO TRUTH.
LET’S WATCH HER.
>> HOW CLOSE DID THIS JURY COME
TO CONVICTING ON 18 COUNTS.
>> BY ONE.
ONE HOLD OUT.
>> ONE PERSON KEPT YOU FROM
MAKING THE NEXT STEP.
>> THAT’S CORRECT.
YES.
YES. >> WHAT WAS THEIR REASONING, IF
THEY SHARED WITH YOU.
>> REASONABLE DOUBT I GUESS
REASONABLE DOUBT COULD BE A MIND
SET.
SET. NOT COMFORTABLE MAKING A BIG
DECISION ON SOMEONE’S LIFE.
WHAT DOES THIS TELL YOU ABOUT
THE PROSECUTOR.
THE PROSECUTOR. TELLS US THEY’RE GOING TO GO
AHEAD WITH THE PROSECUTION OF
ALL THESE OTHER COUNTS IN A D.C.
PROBABLY BE A DUFFER JURY FACING
SOMEONE LIKE A BIG SHOT LIKE
MANAFORT.
MANAFORT. AND PROBABLY HAVE A BETTER SHOT
THERE.
THERE. GET ALL 18 OR 25 THIS TIME.
>> I DON’T WANT TO SPECULATE
WHAT IT WAS FOR THE ONE JUROR
THAT HELD THEM UP.
YOU LISTEN TO THE WHOLE
INTERVIEW, A COUPLE THINGS STOOD
OUT.
OUT. HER HONEST CITY ABOUT SAYING I’M
A REPUBLICAN.
A REPUBLICAN. I GOT A MAKE AMERICA GREAT HAT
IN MY CAR.
I WANTED MANAFORT -- SHE’S AWARE
OF THE CONTEXT.
SHE KNOW KWHOSS WHO THE PEOPLE A
SHE WANTED HIM TO BE INNOCENT,
BUT THE EVIDENCE WAS
OVERWHELMING.
OVERWHELMING. IF EVIDENCE WAS ENOUGH FOR 11 OF
12 TO WANT TO CONVICT OF ALL 18
COUNTS, TELLS YOU SOMETHING
ABOUT THE EVIDENCE.
ALSO STRUCK ME WHAT SHE SAID
ABOUT RICK GATES TESTIMONY AND
MOST PEOPLE ON THE JURY, JURY AS
A WHOLE DIDN’T FIND HIM TO BE
VERY CREDIBLE.
VERY CREDIBLE. THAT IS INSTRUCTIVE FOR THE
GOVERNMENT IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY
GET OUT OF PUTTING GATES ON THE
STAND AND THE IDEA THAT AS THE
PRESIDENT HAS TOLD PEOPLE OVER
AND OVER AGAIN AND PEOPLE WHO
FLIP IN HIS WORDS MAKING STUFF
UP, WHETHER OR NOT THEY’RE
MAKING THINGS UP ABOUT HIM OR
NOT.
NOT. THE IDEA THEY’RE WORKING WITH
THE GOVERNMENT TO AT LEAST SOME
PEOPLE ON THE JURY MADE GATES
SEEM CREDIBLE.
SEEM CREDIBLE. >> NOW HE’S FACING ANOTHER
TRIAL.
TRIAL. MANAFORT IN DNK.C.
PROBABLY MORE LIBERAL.
WHAT DOES THAT SAY ABOUT A
POSSIBLE PARDON.
POSSIBLE PARDON. LOOKS LIKE THIS GUY IS GOING TO
BE FACING A LOT OF TIME COMING
OUT OF THE NEXT TRIAL.
>> HE’S 69 RIGHT NOW.
FORGET THE NEXT TRIAL.
THE TRIAL THAT JUST CONCLUDED IF
HE GETS THE MINIMUM RANGE HE’S
LOOKING AT TEN YEARS.
CHANCES ARE THIS GUY IS GOING TO
DO A LOT OF TIME.
TALKING TO REPORTERS COVERING
THE TRIAL AND TALKING TO
MANAFORT ATTORNEYS.
MANAFORT ATTORNEYS. THE SENSE IS HIS ONLY REAL HOPE
AT THIS POINT IS A PARDON DON.
IT’S STRIKING THE PRESIDENT
SEEING THE WALLS CLOSING IN
STILL CONTINUES TO EXPRESS HIS
PERSONAL FEELING THAT MANAFORT
IS A VICTIM HERE.
IT WOULD BE FOOLISH FOR THE
PRESIDENT.
PRESIDENT. >> THE FACT THE LAWYER IS
SUGGESTING AND THINKING ABOUT
IT.
IT. >> HE GOES OUT AT THE WHITE
HOUSE AND SARAH SANDERS WAS
ASKED ABOUT THIS.
AWARE OF NO QUESTIONS THAT HAVE
TAKEN PLACE.
TAKEN PLACE. >> THIS A HOPE.
THIS IS A RAY OF HOPE.
>> CORRECT.
>> CORRECT. IT LOOKS LIKE A SMOKE SIGNAL
THAT THEY’RE SENDING TO HIM AND
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT
INVESTIGATORS WILL ALSO LOOK AT
BECAUSE IN OBSTRUCTION CASE, IS
THE PRESIDENT AND HIS ATTORNEY,
ARE THEY INTENTIONALLY SENDING A
MESSAGE TO PEOPLE TO NOT
COOPERATE AS THE INVESTIGATION
GOES.
GOES. >> IF YOU’RE THE PROSECUTOR HERE
AND ROBERT MUELLER AND YOU’RE
DEALING -- YOU’RE GOING TO THE
JUDGE TO SAY GIVE THIS GUY
SERIES TIME
SERIES TIME SERIOUS TIME.
SERIOUS TIME. HARD TIME.
HARD TIME. MEDIUM SECURITY AND THIS GUY
COULD BE GOING TO A HELLISH
PLACE.
PLACE. MANAFORT IS GETTING STRUNG UP
BECAUSE ME WORKED FOR ME.
THAT IS THE THING THAT GENERALLY
THE INVESTIGATORS AND
PROSECUTORS.
PROSECUTORS. THEY HAVE GONE AND KEPT THEIR
HEADS DOWN.
HEADS DOWN. TRIED TO NOT BE INFLUENCED BID
THE MEDIA AND TRUMP TWEETS, BUT
THEY HAVE TO BE COGNISANT OF THE
IMPLICATIONS OF THIS AND THE
SENSE THAT THE PUBLIC AND THE
JURY MAY HAVE THAT THEY ARE OUT
TO GET THEM.
>> LET’S SEE WHAT THE NEXT
FACTOR IS.
FACTOR IS. TRUMP CARES ABOUT ANOTHER HUMAN
BEING.
BEING. >> SEEMS TO BE OUT OF SELF