The tragic story of the Titan submersible ended yesterday,
as many people feared that it would, with Ocean Gate Expeditions,
the company behind it, announcing that the sub had been lost.
All five of those on it believed to have been lost.
And while there's still a lot of details that we don't necessarily know about
exactly what happened.
There is now good cause to believe that the sub suffered a catastrophic
implosion before it had even reached the surface, I guess,
the depths of the ocean as it was going down, it apparently was lost.
Navy readings from several days ago apparently picked up what now is believed
to have been that implosion.
And so, look, not a lot of this is honestly that surprising for
people who have been following the story.
The expectation was that it had been lost, and
it indeed was, which is obviously a tragedy.
It's not the only sea based tragedy of the last week or so, just a reminder, but
there was a couple of aspects of the story that I wanted to focus on, and
one that I think I really do understand why this is.
The thing that has really stuck out following the announcement has to do with
one of the passengers, and that is the 19 year old passenger that had been on it,
Suleiman Dawood.
So you're seeing there a shot of him with his father,
both of whom had been lost on it.
And the older sister of the businessman, Azmeh Dawood said, that Suleiman
informed a relative before the trip that he, quote, wasn't very up for it,
and felt terrified about the trip to explore the wreckage of the Titanic.
And this is just like on a personal level, not a policy level, not a global level,
but on a personal level, just such a devastating thing to consider.
Agreed to go on it because the trip fell over Father's Day weekend and he was eager
to please his dad, who was a big Titanic buff and really excited about the trip.
Sister said, I feel disbelief now, it's an unreal situation.
And look, all five were lost.
In a very real sense, the conditions that led to them being lost are not that
important, It's the fact that they were lost.
But knowing that your fear was justified, and then doing it,
not because you yourself wanted to, but because your father
was excited about it, that is just such a devastating thing.
Brett, I don't know, we had a little bit of a disagreement about this in our
production meeting, but what do you make of this?
>> I mean, that's always how it is, if you're scared of something.
If you're scared of something, and nothing happens during that event,
then you were scared for no reason.
And if something happens during that event, you were scared for a reason.
The question is, how rational are you with your fear?
And that is kind of the approach that I took one time after I was on a plane,
like a 747 where an engine blew up, I was like,
of course this is going to happen, and it's going to happen every time.
>> It blew up while you were on the flight?
Yeah, I watched it, it was scary just looking out there, and
it went because you can kind of hear it.
There's just like a flame, and then no flame, and then smoke, and then nothing.
And then the plane just kind of doing this.
It was a troubled plane before we took off, but there were FAA regulations.
And then you just find someone, I sat next to a guy from Boeing who's like, yeah,
you could just have one engine.
As long as the wing doesn't come off, you're fine, but that's it.
That said, going to visit the wreckage of the Titanic
in the submersible vessel created by a guy who was
proud of how he flouted safety regulations right and
left, your fear then becomes more and more founded.
And the question is, how do you want to respond to something like,
this is all about psychology.
This is all about how an individual handles these kinds of things.
Do you use your intellect to get past it?
Or do you just sit there and have a moment where you understand, yes,
this is wildly sad.
No human being in their right mind would be upset with this kid for
feeling that way, would be upset with the father for
wanting to do something fun with his kid on Father's Day.
And then the question that you have to then tackle,
you get back to the intellectual like, did they have any opportunity in a world where
James Cameron has explored the Titanic wreckage 30 times.
They have an opportunity to realistically understand just how sketchy
this undertaking was?
Or did they think, yeah, it's like going on a SpaceX thing.
It's high profile enough, and I think it should be fine.
>> Yeah. And look, you expect when you are rich and
when you spend a lot of money on stuff,
you expect that you will be protected because you always are.
And unfortunately, in this case, you are not.
And look, I assume I am not yet a father, but
I assume that part of being a father is, or a parent, I should say,
is encouraging your kids to do things that they're afraid of,
because kids can be afraid of things that they shouldn't necessarily be.
And if you simply bow to your fear on everything,
then you won't experience a lot.
But knowing where to draw that line and knowing who to trust, just it kills.
Very briefly before we move on.
I did my trip to the Arctic or whatever,
and I was on a boat for a couple of weeks or whatever to the North Pole,
but I don't know if they've ever really talked about this.
The boat that I went on was not the boat that I was supposed to go on.
We originally scheduled the trip to be on a sailing vessel with a totally different
person, a totally different group.
And I'm not going to be specific, but I did training,
international training with this person.
And when I came back, I said, yeah, I don't know about this.
I don't think that I want to do this, and
we went with a totally different thing that was way more professional.
And I don't know what would have happened if I don't I think the trip fell apart
because we pulled out, but it was definitely going to be more risky.
But that said, when I was afraid of other things, I still did it.
I was terrified of camping in polar bear country, and that did not go wrong.
I was not eaten, but if I had been eaten,
then maybe a story like this would have come out.
>> Evidence of the eater was very close to where you slept.
Yeah, as I always tell people.
So we pull up our little boat onto the shore and
then we camp 20ft from the shore, and between the shore and
the camp was polar bear tracks and really close to the water.
So you imagine the tracks haven't been there that long.
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