>>> THERE’S A DEBATE YOU KNOW,
AND I’LL END WITH THIS.
A DEBATE ON WHAT CONSTITUTES
IMMUNITY.
IS IT 70%?
68%?
81%?
THE POINT IS, THAT BY THE END OF
THE SUMMER, RIGHT NOW, EVERY
SINGLE PERSON 16 YEARS OR OLDER
DOESN’T HAVE TO WAIT IN LINE.
CAN SHOW UP AND GET A
VACCINATION NOW.
I MY PLEA THE EVERYONE, GET
VACCINATED NOW.
PLEASE.
THANK YOU.
>> PRESIDENT BIDEN IN
PORTSMOUTH, VIRGINIA, RESPONDING
TO A QUESTION THAT THE TIMETABLE
TO ACHIEVE HERD COMMUNAL.
WHEN WILL THE COUNTRY HAVE
ENOUGH IMMUNITY TO BE PROTECTED.
THE VIRUS IS JUST SQUEEZED OUT
OF THE POPULATION ENTIRELY.
THAT’S A BIG QUESTION BECAUSE OF
TODAY’S "NEW YORK TIMES" REPORT
ABOUT HOW EXPERTS NOW BELIEVE
THAT REACHING THAT LEVEL, HERD
IMMUNITY IN THE U.S. IS UNLIKE
I.
THE TRUTH IS A LOT MORE
COMPLICATED.
EARLY ON, THE TARGET WAS
ESTIMATED TO BE ABOUT 60 TO 70%
OF THE POPULATION.
AS A RESULT OF A DOMINANT NEW
VARIANT, EXPERTS NOW CALCULATE
HERD IMMUNITY THRESHOLD TO BE AT
LEAST 80%.
BUT HERE’S THE THING.
THERE IS NO REAL MAGIC NUMBER
HERE.
IF WE CONTINUE TO VACCINATE
PEOPLE, WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO
PUSH THE VIRAL TRANSMISSION
FURTHER AND FURTHER DOWN.
THE DOCTOR RESPONDED TO THE
TIMES STORY ON TWITTER
RESPONDING, IF WE GET INTO
SUMMER AND FALL, WE MAY NOT HIT
HERD IMMUNE BUT INAFFECTION
NUMBERS WELCOME SLOW AND
VACCINATED FOLKS WILL BE LARGELY
SAFE.
WE’RE CLEARLY SEEING A DECLINE
IN THE NUMBER OF VACCINATIONS AS
WE REACH THE TENS OF MILLIONS OF
AMERICANS WHO NOT CHAMPING AT
THE BIT TO GET A SHOT OR JUST
ACTIVELY RESISTING.
THEY DON’T WANT TO GET IT.
OUR ABILITY COLLECTIVELY TO
CONTROL THE VIRUS WILL DEPEND ON
THEM.
IN A NEW PIECE, DEREK THOMPSON
DECIDED TO ENTER SBRU A DOZEN
PEOPLE AND FOUND THE CONSEND US
TO BE, I TRUST MYSELF MORE THAN
I TRUST PHARMACEUTICAL GOOP.
I TRUST MY OWN MIND MORE THAN
LIBERAL ELITES.
JOINING ME NOW, THE STAFF WRITER
FOR THE ATLANTA AND DR.
JENNIFER, A LEAD DR. AT THE
CORONAVIRUS RESOURCE CENTRAL.
I LIKED WHAT I LEARNED FROM IT.
WHAT DID YOU LEARN FROM PEOPLE
WHO ARE VACCINE RESISTANT?
>> VACCINE RESISTANCE IS SO
COMPLICATED.
YOU’RE NOT TALKING TO A HANDFUL
OF PEOPLE AND THEY’RE ALL REPEAT
REPEATING THE SAME CATECHISM.
THERE ARE ALWAYS DIFFERENT
NUANCES YOU GET BASED ON
DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
THEY COME TO IT IN DIFFERENT
WAYS.
I THINK THE BIG IDEA IS THE
SUMMARY THAT YOU JUST PUT UP.
THIS TWO-PART SUMMARY.
NUMBER ONE, I TRUST MY OWN
IMMUNE SYSTEM MORE THAN I TRUST
BIG PHARMA.
AND NUMBER TWO, THAT THEY
ESSENTIALLY TRUST THAT THEY’RE
GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET THROUGH
THIS WITHOUT HAVING TO TAKE ON
ANY PHARMACEUTICAL INTERVENTION.
I THINK IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT
TO LOOK AT THE RISK ASSESSMENT
THAT PEOPLE MAKE.
LOOK, I HAVE TAKEN THIS VIRUS
UNBELIEVABLY SERIOUSLY AND SO IN
A WAY THAT I WANT TO ADMIT IN
THIS PIECE, I AM, OF COURSE,
ROOTING FOR THESE VACCINES TO
WORK.
IN A VERY INTERESTING WAY, I
THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE I TALK TO
ARE NOT NECESSARILY ROOTING FOR
THE VACCINES AT ALL.
THEY NEVER TOOK THE PANDEMIC
PARTICULARLY SERIOUSLY.
THEY’VE BEEN EATING IN
RESTAURANTS, TRAVELING, THEY’VE
BEEN DOING ALL THESE NORMAL
THINGS AND THEY’RE A LITTLE
OFFENDED BY THE SUGGESTION THAT
THEY HAVE TO SEMIA
PHARMACEUTICAL INTERVENTION TO
GET BACK TO A NORMAL LIFE THAT
FRANKLY, THEY NEVER STOPPED
LIVING.
>> THAT PART OF IT IS KEY.
THE GET BACK TO NORMAL MESSAGE
ONLY WORKS TO THE DEGREE PEOPLE
SUSPENDED NORMAL SIFLT TENS OF
MILLIONS HAVE NOT.
IT COME ON THE MASK SIDE.
THE QUESTIONS ON THE PUSH ALERT,
OH, NO, WE’RE NOT GOING TO HIT
HERD IMMUNE.
THIS WILL BECOME ENDEMIC.
WE’LL BE CONSTANTLY DEALING WITH
IT.
I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, WHAT
DOES THE SPECTRUM LOOK LIKE?
PAST 50% TO 60% OR 70%, AND HOW
MUCH DOES THAT MATTER IN A
COLLECTIVE SENSE?
>> SO, I THINK WHAT PEOPLE ARE
REALLY AFRAID ABOUT WHEN THEY’RE
TESTING YOU, WE’LL NEVER GET
BACK TO NAUFRL THAT’S NOT TRUE.
WE’RE ALREADY SEEING THE EFFECTS
OF VACCINATION.
CASE NUMBERS ARE COMING WAY DOWN
WHICH IS GREAT.
WE’RE SEEING WHAT IS POSSIBLE IN
ISRAEL WITH JUST OVER 50% OF THE
POPULATION VACCINATED WHERE
THINGS ARE EASING UP AND I THINK
THAT’S LIKELY IN OUR FUTURE EVEN
THOUGH WE HAVE THIS INCREDIBLY
IMPORTANT PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE
WHO DON’T WANT TO GET
VACCINATED.
SO I THINK LIFE WILL RETURN TO
NORMAL.
PEOPLE WHO ARE VACCINATED WILL
FEEL THE SENSE OF FREEDOM TO
PARTAKE IN SORTS OF ACTIVITIES
MUCH MORE SAFELY AND THE CASE
NUMBERS WILL FALL AND THAT WILL
PROTECT US.
WHAT IS REALLY THE TRAGEDY IS
THAT WE’VE GOT ALL THESE PEOPLE
WHO DON’T YET UNDERSTAND THE
VALUE OF VACCINES AND SEE IT AS
BEING RELEVANT TO THEIR LIVES.
AND PARTICULARLY THAT THEY TRUST
THEIR IMMUNE CELLS MORE.
THE IRONY IS WHAT KILLS PEOPLE
IS THE OVERREACTION OF IMMUNE
CELLS.
SO IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE REACH
PEOPLE WITH THESE VACCINES BUT
IT IS NEW AND IT IS UNDERSTAND
PANEL PEOPLE ARE ON THE FENCE
ABOUT IT.
WE NEED TO HAVE THE CONTINUED
TOUGH CONVERSATIONS AND NOT GIVE
UP ON PEOPLE.
THAT WE CAN REACH THEM
PARTICULARLY AS WE GO WHERE THEY
SEE PEOPLE CONTINUING TO GET
VACCINATED AND BE ABSOLUTELY
FINE AND BE EMBOLDENED BY THEIR
VACCINATION STATUS.
>> THAT’S A GOOD POINT.
AND I THINK THERE ARE DIFFERENT
BUCKETS HERE.
SO THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO REALLY
DON’T LIKE THE IDEA OF GETTING
VACCINATED.
AND THEN A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO
JUST HAVEN’T GOTTEN AROUND TO IT
YET.
I’VE HAD ITEMS MY TO DO LISTNESS
IS 2015.
SO PEOPLE ARE QUIRKY.
THERE’S ALL THESE STATES NOW,
DEREK, THAT ARE TRYING TO INDUCE
WEST VIRGINIA GIVES YOUNG PEOPLE
$100 SAVINGS BOND.
MARYLAND JUST ANNOUNCED A $100
SEEN THEED EMPLOYEES.
NEW JERSEY WILL GIVE EACH
PERSONAL ONE FREE BEER WHICH IS
A LOT LESS MONEYWISE.
CONNECTICUT WILL GIVE EACH
PERSON A FREE DRINK.
DO YOU THINK THIS KIND OF STUFF
HELPS AT THE MARGIN?
>> AT THE MARGIN, YES, IT
ACTUALLY HELPS.
AND DO I LOVE THAT WE’RE SEEING
LABORATORIES OF DEMOCRACY IN
TERMS OF VACCINE INCENTIVIZING.
LIKE OREGON CAN GIVE PEOPLE A
PITA.
THE REASON IT WORKS IN THE
MARGIN IS WHAT YOU POINTED OUT.
THIS IS NOT A MONO LITH OF
VACCINE NO PEOPLE.
THERE ARE VACCINE NO’ERS AND
VACCINE UH ’ERS.
THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE PRO
CRASS CONTINUATING.
THIS IS A HUGE GROUP AND WE CAN
NIBBLE AWAY AT THE MARGINS AND
ONE OF THE BEST WAYS IS TO TWEET
THE COST ANALYSIS.
THAT’S WHAT THE OREGON PINO AND
CALIFORNIA CAB AND THE SAVINGS
BONDS ALL DOES.
IT SHOWS THE COST ANALYSIS.
IF YOU’RE ONE OF THESE, NOT A
TOTAL VAX NO’ER.
ALL RIGHT.
IF IT’S EASY AND I’LL GET
SOMETHING ON THE SIDE, YES, I
WILL SAY YES.
>> AND ALSO, WE’VE SEEN IT WITH
VOTING, RIGHT?
THE MORE HASSLE YOU MAKE IT, THE
FEWER PEOPLE VOTE AND THE EASIER
YOU MAKE IT, THE MORE PEOPLE
VOTE.
THERE’S A NEW POPULATION THAT
WILL COME ONLINE, JENNIFER,
WHICH ARE CHILDREN.
WE GOT THIS NEWS TODAY.
THE FDA SET TO AUTHORIZE THE
PFIZER VACCINE FOR THOSE 12 TO
15-YEAR-OLDS BY EARLY NEXT WEEK.
SO RIGHT NOW THEY CAN’T GET A
VACCINE WHO NOW WILL BE VACCINE
ELIGIBLE THAT THAT WILL HELP IN
TERMS OF THE DENOMINATOR THAT
CAN EVEN GET A VACCINE.
>> YEAH.
YOU’RE GOING TO SEE THIS EXPAND.
THERE WILL BE MORE OPTIONS FOR
PEOPLE TO GET VACCINATED.
SO I THINK WE’LL CONTINUE TO
MAKE PROGRESS.
PARENTS ARE PROBABLY QUITE HAPPY
TO TAKE ONE COVID WORRY OFF
THEIR LIST IF THEY CAN GET THEIR
TEENS VACCINATED.
I THINK WE’VE GOT BIGGER GLOBAL
PROBLEMS WHERE WE HAVE GLOBAL
INEQUITIES AND HIGH RISK ADULTS
FLYING ACROSS THE WORLD THAT
MAKE ME A BIT UNCOMFORTABLE.
WE’RE IN THIS SITUATION WHERE
WE’RE HAVING TO REALLY INDUCE
PEOPLE.
I THINK WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET