>> ANOTHER NEW YORK NATIONAL
PRECEDENT WILL BE STASHED, THE
MESS AGGRESSIVE WOMEN'S EQUALITY
PLATFORM IN THE NATION.
IS GOING TO BE IN LAW IN THIS
STATE.
AND THAT IS THE WAY I HAD SHUT
BE.
[APPLAUSE]
AINSLEY: NEW YORK PASSING A
SWEEPING ABORTION LAW ALLOWING
MANY ABORTIONS UP UNTIL THE DAY
OF THE BABY'S BIRTH.
THE MOVE SPARKING OUTCRY ALL
ACROSS THE COUNTRY WITH MANY
AMERICANS ASKING HOW IS THIS
OKAY?
BRIAN: HERE TO WEIGH IN NEW YORK
CITY ARCHBISHOP TIMOTHY DOLAN.
WE THOUGHT OF YOU RIGHT AWAY.
THERE IS A CATHOLIC GOVERNOR
CHEERING THE FACT THAT ABORTION
WOULD BE LEGAL IN THIS STATE UP
UNTIL ALMOST BIRTH.
>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME ON.
PLEASE NEVER USE THE WORD WEIGH
IN, WHEN I COME ON.
I ASKED TO YOU AVOID THAT.
BRIAN: MY APOLOGIES.
>> THANKS, BRIAN, FOR BRINGING
IT UP, GHOULISH, GRISLY,
GRUESOME, INDEPENDENT OBSERVERS
ABOUT THIS SO-CALLED
REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH ACT.
THE FACT THAT HE IS CATHOLIC AS
FAR AS I'M CONCERNED HAS NOTHING
TO DO WITH IT.
ANY THINKING HUMAN BEING THAT
WOULD WANT A BABY, ALLOW A BABY
TO BE ABORTED RIGHT UP TO THE
MOMENT OF BIRTH, ANY THINKING,
THOUGHTFUL, CONSIDERED HUMAN
BEING THAT WOULD THINK THAT
ABABY COULD BE, THE ABORTION
PROCEDURE COULD GO FORWARD
WITHOUT PROPER MEDICAL CARE IS
NOW, DOCTORS DON'T HAVE TO BE
THERE, ANYBODY THAT THINKS THAT
A BABY WHO SURVIVES, A GRUESOME
ABORTION PROCEDURE AND THAT A
DOCTOR IS NO LONGER REQUIRED TO
ATTEMPT TO SAVE THAT BABY'S
LIFE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE
CATHOLIC TO ABHOR THOSE KIND OF
THINGS.
REMEMBER WHEN GOVERNOR CASEY IN
PENNSYLVANIA, HE HAS BEEN GONE
20 YEARS, HERE IS A LIBERAL
DEMOCRAT WHO SAID, A CATHOLIC BY
THE WAY, I DIDN'T LEARN ABORTION
WAS WRONG IN THE CATECHISM.
I LEARNED ABORTION WAS WRONG IN
MY BIOLOGY BOOKS, MY STUDY OF
LAW, PARTICULARLY THE
DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE AND
THE 14th AMENDMENT AND
ORDINARY COMMON SENSE AND HUMAN
REASON.
THIS IS JUST AWFUL.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD
BRAG ABOUT THIS.
WHAT BOTHERS ME, IT USED TO BE
THAT OUR OPPONENTS WHEN IT WOULD
COME TO PRO-LIFE, LOOK WE WANT
TO KEEP ABORTION, SAFE AND LEGAL
AND RARE.
THEY NO LONGER FIND IT REGRET
TABLE PROCEDURE.
STEVE: RIGHT.
>> THEY WANT IT SAFE, LEGAL AND
RARE, ARE YOU KIDDING?
NOW IT WILL BECOME DANGEROUS, A
DOCTOR IS NOT EVEN, HAS TO DO
IT.
IT IS GOING TO BE BECOME
ENFORCED PEOPLE WITH
CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTION TO THE
PROCEDURE, HEALTH CARE WORKERS,
THERE ARE MANY, WILL HAVE TO DO
IT, IT WILL BECOME FREQUENT.
SO SAFE, LEGAL AND RARE, FORGET
IT.
IT IS NOW DANGEROUS, IT IS NOW
ENFORCED AND IT IS NOW FREQUENT.
THIS IS NOT GOOD FOR OUR
COUNTRY.
HOW CAN WE BRAG ABOUT THAT?
YOU POP CHAMPAGNE CORKS FOR THAT
AND DRINK CHABLIS AND LIGHT UP
EMPIRE STATE BUILDING?
SOMEBODY CHEERING ABOUT IT?
I DON'T GET IT.
STEVE: THE FACT THE BABY CAN BE
BORN ALIVE AND TERMINATE IT.
THERE ARE CALLS FOR PEOPLE IN
THE CATHOLIC CHURCH FOR GOVERNOR
CUOMO TO BE EXCOMMUNICATED.
>> YOU'RE TELLING ME.
I GET WHEELBARROWS OF LETTERS
EVERY DAY.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE
COUNTERPRODUCTIVE, FOR ONE.
STEVE: HE DOES NOT FOLLOW
CATHOLIC DOCTRINE.
>> THERE IS MY POINT, STEVE.
WE WOULD GIVE AMMO TO OUR
ENEMIES WHO SAY THIS IS INTERNAL
CATHOLIC DISCIPLINARY MATTER.
THIS IS REALLY NOT CIVIL RIGHTS.
THIS IS REALLY NOT BIOLOGY.
THESE CATHOLICS DON'T HAVE
FREEDOM WHEN IT COMES TO THIS.
I THINK WE WOULD BE GIVEN --
STEVE: THE CATHOLIC CHURCH,
CARDINAL, STANDS AGAINST
ABORTION.
HERE IS THE MOST PROMINENT
CATHOLIC IN THE STATE OF NEW
YORK, SAYS THIS IS GOOD THING.
>> CANNON LAWS WHICH YOU QUOTED,
ALSO SAY YOU HAVE TO USE IT FOR
MEDICINAL PURPOSE AND THINK
THERE WILL BE GOOD EFFECT THAT
COME OUT OF IT.
WE HAVE A GOVERNOR THAT BRAGS
ABOUT IT.
HE USES HIS DISSENT FROM CHURCH
TEACHING AS APPLAUSE LINES.
HE TAKES POPE FRANCIS OUT OF
CONTEXT TO DRAW AN ARTIFICIAL
CLEAVAGE BETWEEN THE BISHOPS OF
NEW YORK AND HOLY FATHER OF
HIMSELF.
HE WILL NOT BE MOVED BY THIS.
WHAT WOULD BE THE USE?
BRIAN: HERE IS HIS QUOTE IN
RESPONSE TO THE CRITICISM, I
HAVE EXPERIENCED THAT ALL MY
POLITICAL LIFE.
I EXPERIENCED THAT WHEN I SAID A
WOMAN HAD THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE.
I EXPERIENCED THAT AT
EXPONENTIAL LEVEL WHEN NEW YORK
WAS FIRST LARGE STATE TO EXPRESS
EQUALITY AGAINST THE CATHOLIC
CHURCH.
THEY HAVE BEEN AGAINST ME ALL
THESE ISSUES.
>> WHAT DID HE GET?
A STANDING OVATION.
HE LIKES BEING THE BAD BOY WHEN
IT COMES CATHOLIC CHURCH.
STEVE: WHAT ABOUT DENYING HIM
COMMUNIAN.
YOU'RE MAKING ME, I DON'T GET
RESTLESS, BUT I AM.
THAT IS PASTORAL ISSUE ONE HAS
TO TALK TO HIM B I THINK PROPER
PEOPLE HAVE.
AND, I WOULD BE UNCOMFORTABLE
GOING INTO THAT SPIRITUAL AND
PASTORAL.
THAT IS A GOOD POINT.
NOT DENYING HIM.
HE MAY HAVE ALREADY SAID I
CANNOT APPROACH --
AINSLEY: FROM A MEDICAL
STANDPOINT.
WE INTERVIEWED A DOCTOR WHO
AGREED WITH ANOTHER DOCTOR WHO
SAID IT IS MORE DANGEROUS ON THE
MOTHER TO ABORT A BABY IN THE
THIRD TRIMESTER.
IT IS BETTER FOR HER CARE JUST
TO DELIVER THE BABY.
THE PROBLEM, AND THEN YOU THINK
ABOUT ALL THESE MOMS THAT WANT
BABIES AND CAN'T HAVE THEM.
THESE BABIES WONDERFUL HOMES.
>> AINSLEY THAT IS ANOTHER GOOD
POINT.
THANKS FOR BRINGING IT UP.
CAN'T WE WORK TOGETHER FOR
POSITIVE MITIGATION OF AN
UNFETTERED ABORTION LICENSE?
CAN'T WE MAKE ADOPTION EASIER.
AINSLEY: YES, ADOPTION EASIER.
>> CAN WE MAKE TROUBLED MOMS AND
DADS STRUGGLING THROUGH A
PREGNANCY, CAN WE MAKE IT A
LITTLE EASIER FOR THEM WITH
PROVISION OF MEDICAL CARE, WITH
TIME OFF IF THEY NEED IT?
CAN'T WE HELP MOTHERS WITH
NEWBORN AS BIT MORE.
CAN'T WE AT LEAST SAY THAT
PEOPLE WHO FIND THIS A HIDEOUS
PROCEDURE DO NOT HAVE TO ATTEND
TO IT, A DOCTOR OR A NURSE?
CAN WE AT LEAST SAY IF WE KNOW
FOR SURE THE HEART IS BEATING
ABORTION WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED?
AINSLEY: BABIES FEEL PAIN.
DON'T THE BABIES IN THE THIRD
TRIMESTER FEEL PAIN?
>> WHAT YOU SAID TOO, PHYSICIANS
WOULD TELL ME THAT.
IT WOULD BE SAFER, MOM, IF YOU
WANT ABORTION, GIVE BIRTH TO THE
BABY, THEN THAT WILL TERMINATE
THE BABY, THAT IS INFAN AT THAT
SIDE, BUT THAT IS WHAT WE GOT
NOW.
BRIAN: HOW DOES THE CATHOLIC
CHURCH STAND ON MOM'S LIFE IN
DANGER, MEDICALLY DANGEROUS FOR
HER, WHEN YOU HAVE TO MAKE TO
THAT CHOICE?
>> AINSLEY THE PHYSICIANS YOU
TALK TO THESE DAYS THAT IS NOT
TOO FREQUENT.
THERE ARE SO MANY ALTERNATIVES
THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN.
THE CATHOLIC CHURCH WOULD HAVE A
RIGOROUS PRO-LIFE STANCE YOU
COULD NEVER TERMINATE LIFE OF
INNOCENT PERSON EVER, OKAY?
WHETHER THAT BE IN WAR, WHETHER
THAT BE --
AINSLEY: MOTHER HAS CANCER AND
CANCER COME BACK.
>> CANNOT PURPOSELY KILL THE
BABY.
THERE IS ENOUGH THOUGHTFUL ROOM
THERE THERE CAN BE WAY TO SAVE
THE LIFE OF BOTH.
STEVE: CARDINAL, CLEARLY THIS
LAW IS POLITICAL CALCULATION.
>> YEAH.
STEVE: I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU'RE
GOING TO TALK DIRECTLY TO
GOVERNOR CUOMO BUT YOU KNOW
WHAT?
IT WILL BE ON YOUTUBE, YOUR
APPEARANCE, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE
HIM TO KNOW ABOUT HOW YOU FEEL
ON THIS?
>> I WOULD SAY, LOOK, GOVERNOR,
YOU AND I WORKED A LOT OF TIME
FOR COMMON GOOD.
THIS IS ONE AREA WE COULD BUT
THIS IS HIDEOUS.
DO NOT BRAG ABOUT MAKING THE
STATE OF NEW YORK THE ABORTION
CAPITAL OF THE WORLD.
THAT IS NOT AN LIGHTENED
PROGRESSIVE POSTURE.
AN ENLIGHTENED PROGRESSIVE
POSTURE, TAKE CARE OF SMALLEST,
DEFENSELESS, INNOCENT HUMAN
BEINGS I CAN'T THINK OF ONE MORE
THAN BABY IN THE WOMB.
LET'S WORK TOGETHER TO PROTECT
THE LIFE.
AINSLEY: CARDINAL, WHAT DO YOU
SAY TO PARENTS THAT NEED
CHRISTIAN ADVICE, GODLY WISDOM,
RAISING KIDS IN AN ENVIRONMENT
LIKE THIS?
WHEN WE LIVE IN NEW YORK CITY.
I'M RAISING MY DAUGHTER.
I LOVE THE CITY.
THE BELIEFS IN THE CITY ARE
COUNTERTO MANY OF THE THINGS I
GREW UP LEARNING.
>> ARE THEY EVER.
AINSLEY: HOW DO WE RAISE OUR
KIDS IN THIS COMMUNITY NOW?
>> I JUST DID A BAPTISM ON
YESTERDAY, ON SUNDAY, WHICH I
TRY TO DO EVERY SUNDAY.
ONE OF THE LINES IN THERE TO THE
PARENTS, YOU ARE THE FIRST AND
BEST OF TEACHERS.
DON'T GIVE SCHOOLS THE
ENVIRONMENT, TV, SOCIAL MEDIA,
DON'T GIVE THEM SWAY OVER THEIR
KIDS.
YOU ARE THE FIRST AND PRIMARY
TEACHERS BY YOUR EXAMPLE AND BY
YOUR WORDS.
COUNT ON PEOPLE TO DO IT.
MAKE SURE THEY HAVE NURTURING
FRIENDS.
MAKE SURE THEY HAVE THE
ENVIRONMENT OF A CHURCH.
MAKE SURE THEY HAVE A SCHOOL
WHERE THE VALUES WILL BE
BUTTRESSED NOT THROWN OUT THE
WINDOW.
I WAS SO SAD TO SEE MRS. PENCE
CRITICIZED BECAUSE SHE TEACHES
IN A SCHOOL BASED ON BIBLICAL
VALUES.
DOES NOT THE EDUCATION OF KIDS
BECOME FIRST?
IS THAT NOT THE FIRST PRIORITY
OF THE MOM AND DAD?