7 MEETINGS AND TALKING ABOUT,
HOW YOU HEARD HIM SAY, THE
REVULSION AT WHAT RUSSIA HAS
DONE IS PALPABLE.
AND JOINING US NOW IS THE U.S.
AMBASSADOR TO THE UNITED NATIONS
WHO LED THE WAY WITH THE GENERAL
ASSEMBLY IN THAT HISTORIC VOTE.
93-24 WITH 58 EXTENSIONS VOTING
TO SUSPEND RUSSIA FROM THE HUMAN
RIGHTS COUNSEL.
AMBASSADOR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH
FOR.
>>ING OVER TO BE WITH US TODAY.
I KNOW YOU HAVE A VERY BUSY
SCHEDULE AND SPEAKING
MOMENTARILY.
BUT TELL US WHY THIS WAS AN IMPORTANT VOTE.
IMPORTANT VOTE.
>> WELL, CERTAINLY YOU SAID IT,
ANDREA.
IT WAS HISTORIC, UNPRECEDENTED
THAT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY VOTED
TO SUSPEND A PERMANENT MEMBER OF
THE SECURITY COUNCIL FROM THE
HUMAN RIGHTS COUNSEL.
AND IT REALLY WAS EXTRAORDINARY
SITTING IN THE ROOM AND HEARING
UKRAINE MAKE THAT APPEAL TO ALL
OF THE MEMBERS OF THE GENERAL
ASSEMBLY AND BEING ABLE TO COME
AWAY WITH THAT EXTRAORDINARY
VOTE.
AND YOU MAY HAVE HEARD YESTERDAY
THE RUSSIANS WERE THREATENING
COUNTRIES IF THEY ABSTAINED OR
IF THEY VOTED FOR THIS
RESOLUTION.
AND SO MANY COUNTRIES VOTED FOR
THE RESOLUTION AND WE WERE
SUCCESSFUL.
AND AGAIN, ISOLATING RUSSIA,
CONDEMNING RUSSIA, AND
SUPPORTING THE PEOPLE OF
UKRAINE.
>> AMBASSADOR, DO YOU THINK WHAT
WAS REVEALED IN BUCHA AND
PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY'S ADDRESS
THE SECURITY COUNCIL, THE VIDEO,
THAT GRAPHIC VIDEO, DID THAT AN
MATE THE DEBATE TODAY?
>> IT CERTAINLY DID.
EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO SPOKE,
WHO WERE IN SUPPORT OF THIS
RESOLUTION, EVEN MANY OF THOSE
WHO ABSTAINED, TALKED ABOUT
VIDEO, THE IMAGES THEY'VE SEEN
AND HOW EXTRAORDINARILY
UNACCEPTABLE AND HORRIFIC THOSE
VIDEOS ARE.
AGAIN, YES, I THINK THAT WAS
SOMETHING IS THAT REALLY
INFLUENCED THE VOTERS TODAY.
>> THERE IS A WORLDWIDE
REVULSION AS THE SECRETARY WAS
JUST SAYING, A GLOBAL REVULSION
AT WHAT RUSSIA HAS DONE.
THE EXPOSURE IN THEIR WITHDRAWAL
AND ITS RETREAT BUT IT'S
TEMPORARY.
BUT THE DESCRIPTION THAT HE JUST
DELIVERED AND OF COURSE WE HEARD
FROM UKRAINE'S AMBASSADOR TO THE
UNITED NATIONS IN YOUR DEBATE
THERE TODAY, JUST GRAPHIC
DESCRIPTIONS OF THE HORRORS THAT
PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SUFFERING
THERE.
BUT HOW DOES IT END?
BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF TALK
ABOUT WAR CRIMES AND WANTING
ACCOUNTABILITY.
BUT AT SOME POINT, RUSSIA HAS TO
BE AT THE TABLE IF THERE'S EVER
GOING TO BE A CEASEFIRE.
>> WELL, CERTAINLY.
AND RIGHT NOW THE UKRAINIANS ARE
MAKING A REAL CONCERTED EFFORT
TO SIT DOWN AT THE TABLE WITH
THE RUSSIANS TO FIND AND
NEGOTIATE IT INTO THIS CARNAGE.
THE RUSSIANS HAVE NOT BEEN
NEGOTIATING IN GOOD FAITH.
THE RUSSIANS HAVE COME TO THE
TABLE BUT NOT BEEN WILLING TO
STOP THE ATTACK ON THE UKRAINIAN
PEOPLE.
SO, WE SUPPORT THEIR EFFORTS TO
FIND A NEGOTIATED, DIPLOMATIC
SETTLEMENT TO THIS.
BUT IT WILL NOT TAKE AWAY WHAT
THE RUSSIANS HAVE ALREADY DONE.
THE HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS, THE
GROSS ATTACKS ON CIVILIANS, THE
WAR CRIMES THAT WE HAVE ALL SEEN
WITH OUR OWN EYES, THAT WILL NOT
BE ERASED EVEN AT THE
NEGOTIATING TABLE.
>> ONE OF THE THINGS THEY'RE
FINDING IN THE AREAS AROUND KYIV
ARE THESE SO-CALLED SMART LAND
MINES, WHICH ARE DIFFICULT TO
DISARM, DANGEROUS TO DISARM.
IT'S A WHOLE NEW GENERATION OF
LAND MINES.
UNLIKE WHAT WE EXPERIENCED WHEN
WE WERE DEMINING SOUTHEAST ASIA
AND OTHER POST-CONFLICT AREAS.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT THE
UNITED NATIONS CAN DO TO TRY TO
DEAL WITH THIS PROBLEM?
>> NOW, THERE IS A U.N. AGENCY
THAT WORKS ON DEMINING AND WE
SHOULD START TO LOOK AT HOW WE
CAN ASSIST THE UKRAINIAN PEOPLE
IN DEALING WITH THESE MINES
BECAUSE THEY WILL BE THERE
PUNISHING AND MAIMING AND
KILLING THE UKRAINIAN PEOPLE FOR
YEARS TO COME IF WE ARE NOT ABLE
TO FIND THOSE MINES AND REMOVE
THEM.
IT ALSO SHOWS THAT RUSSIA WILL
NOT -- WILL NOT LEAVE THE
SITUATION IN UKRAINE IN A WAY
THAT WILL GIVE THE UKRAINIANS
ANY CONFIDENCE THAT THEY CAN BE
SECURE UNTIL THEY SIT AT THE
NEGOTIATING TABLE TO HAVE LEFT THESE MINES BEHIND SHOW THAT
THESE MINES BEHIND SHOW THAT
THEY'RE NOT NEGOTIATING IN GOOD FAITH.
FAITH.
>> YOU HEARD PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY
WHEN HE EWASWAS REALLY SCOLDING
U.N. SECURITY COUNCIL SAYING
WHAT'S THE GOOD OF A SECURITY
COUNCIL IF IT CAN'T PREVENT
THESE ATROCITIES, STOP RUSSIA
FROM SPILLING FALSE HOODS AND
HOW DOES THE U.N. RESPOND TO
THAT? >> I HE TO SAY I UNDERSTAND
>> I HE TO SAY I UNDERSTAND
HIS FRUSTRATION.
HIS COUNTRY IS UNDER ATTACK.
AND HE HAS A SENSE THAT THE
WORLD IS NOT THERE.
BUT WE ARE THERE.
WE ARE THERE HERE AT THE UNITED
NATIONS.
WE HELD THE RUSSIANS ACCOUNTABLE
TODAY.
I DON'T THINK -- WHEN WE DECIDED
TO DO THIS, THAT ANYONE THOUGHT
WE WOULD SUCCEED.
AND WHAT I WAS HEARING PROM A
LOT OF COUNTRIES IS WE CAN'T DO
THIS AND FAIL.
WE DIDN'T FAIL.
WE SUCCEEDED IN CONDEMNING THE
RUSSIANS AND SUSPENDING THEM
FROM THE HUMAN RIGHTS COUNSEL.
WE'VE HAD TWO VOTES IN THE
GENERAL ASSEMBLY IN WHICH WE
HAVE CONDEMNED RUSSIA AND
SUPPORTED UKRAINE.
AND EVEN IN THE SECURITY
COUNCIL, WE HAVE ISOLATED THE
RUSSIANS.
SO, I KNOW, IF YOU'RE SITTING ON
THE GROUND IN UKRAINE AND
WATCHING YOUR PEOPLE DIE, IT
LOOKS AS IF WE'RE NOT DOING
ENOUGH.
BUT WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING
POSSIBLE TO INSURE THAT THE
RUSSIANS ARE HELD ACCOUNTABLE
FOR THIS.
WE'RE SUPPORTING, AS YOU HEARD
THE SECRETARY SAY TODAY, THE
UKRAINIAN PROSECUTORS OFFICE IN
COLLECTING EVIDENCE AND
PREPARING EVIDENCE SO THAT WE
CAN HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BRING BACK THE
LIVES OF THE UKRAINIANS, THE
BROKEN FAMILIES, THE DESTROYED
BUILDINGS.
THAT IT WON'T BE BROUGHT BACK.
BUT WE WILL HOLD THEM
ACCOUNTABLE.
AND THEN WE WILL HELP UKRAINE
REBUILD.
>> AMBASSADOR, LINDA
THOMAS-GREENFIELD, THERE'S A
LONG TRADITION OF HAVING U.N.
AMBASSADORS LEAD THE WAY IN
CONFLICTS.
WARS COLD AND HOT, MADELEINE
ALBRIGHT, JANE KIRK PATRICK.
NOW YOU'RE IN THAT CHAIR AND I