Do the Ahadeeth contain 'Wahi' (Revelation) as well? -Javed Ahmed Ghamidi
[Hassan Ilyas] Please do tell us, since you have been working on Hadees Project,
and work on more or less 30000 Narrations has been completed.
And the people generally ask where they can find that work?
It is being published in the journal 'Ishraaq' of Al-Mawrid,
and in the App that exists on various platforms
the results of the whole work are published, there too.
Ghamidi Sahab, while you are writing marginal notes in those texts,
you have in some places written about various Narrations
that the point that is being stated in the Hadees,
it is actually the 'Wahi',
i.e. the Messenger is being shown a dream
or an Angel has come to the Messenger,
and he is conversing, so you have written it as 'Wahi', the question that arises is
whether the Hadees too have 'Wahi' stated within them?
And if the Hadees too has Wahi stated in them,
then in such a case,
as Wahi is thought to be the Guidance of Allah,
how can it be separated from the sources of Deen?
Then that too becomes an independent source.
[Javed Ahmed Ghamidi] Why do you call the Guidance of Allah as 'Wahi'?
i.e. Allah (swt) sends Wahi to His Prophet that
your wives have committed such a mistake.
Then what Guidance does it contain for us?
This 'Wahi' has been mentioned in the Quran itself in Surah Tahreem.
i.e. there is a domestic issue of the Prophet (pbuh),
there he (pbuh) has said something, a wife has said something contrary to it,
on that, the Prophet (pbuh) has drawn her attention to something.
After this has happened, the wife asked, 'How did you come to know of it?'
He says,"Nabbaani Al Aleemul khabeer"
'I have been told by that One and Only, the Knower of all things'.
So now you tell what is the Guidance for us in this?
Wahi is the means of communication by Allah (swt) with the Prophet.
Through it, He may give the Prophet the Guidance for us,
and the Instructions for the Prophet himself.
And the way I have just now said in detail,
that the Prophet on one side brings Guidance
and on the other end,
they establish a judgment for their addressees and their nation.
So, isn't any 'Wahi' required for that judgment?
There too a lot of things are told.
Just before the Battle of Badr,
the Quran itself is stating that certain Ru'ya (dreams) were shown to the Prophet.
It tells us about the Sahaba that they were shown certain things in a manner,
that they became willing to go for this battle.
In the same way how the other people were shown this brigade,
those details have been stated by the Quran too.
All these affairs were going on at that time too.
So the means of communication for the Guidance to us is the Prophet.
'Wahi' comes to the Prophet. It comes not just for giving the Guidance,
by Guidance is implied the Guidance for Deen.
It comes for giving different types of guidance,
it comes for providing aid, it comes for providing comfort,
for providing guidance, and it comes for such reasons
of which a distinct, and a beautiful
and an outstanding example is the Hadees-e Jibreel.
i.e. Jibreel-e Ameen has himself come down,
and he has in human form, and sitting among the Sahaba,
has asked questions to the Prophet (pbuh).
So there would be a dozen ways for the Guidance of the Prophet
and for dozens of issues, obviously, that Guidance,
if it is in the form of the Quran, (the Quran too is 'Wahi'),
then that has been given to us in a duly compiled and organized form.
If that was for Sunnah, after all, the Prophet (pbuh) must have been told
that the Salah that used to be performed earlier,
making such and such changes he should once again start the Salah or Sawm.
It is absolutely clear from the Quran that
the even Sawm was first begun by the Prophet himself.
The Salah was also initiated by him.
If there was a mistake being done in Hajj and Umrah
then those were rectified in the same manner.
So all this which was done was done in the light of 'Wahi'.
So these kinds of Guidance are given to us by the Prophet of Allah.
Hence I never thought this is a worthwhile issue,
and why do people say this and make it an issue for unknown reasons.
i.e. Allah (swt) has made it known
what are His means of communication with the Prophet.
That is 'Wahi'. And that too has been described in Surah Shura
as having three forms. It is not that it is in a single form.
It has different forms. Hence, how does the Prophet of Allah
receive the Guidance, the instructions, the Guidance in personal matters,
and how does he get the Guidance in his own struggle and mission,
and how does he get the Guidance for establishing the judgment
for which the Prophet comes. All that is through the means of 'Wahi'.
And as I had said that there are different ways for the 'Wahi' as well.
The voice comes from behind the curtain, Allah (swt) speaks,
the Angel is sent, he comes and passes the Instructions.
In the same way, a Prophet's Ru'ya (dream) too is a means of 'Wahi'.
Those 'Ru'ya' have been reported in the Quran itself.
The Ru'ya of Syedna Abraham had reached world-wide fame,
where he was shown that he is sacrificing his son.
So, all these are the means through which Allah communicates with his Prophet.
Wahi does not figure as the means of Guidance for us.
For us, it is the Prophet. When we have accepted a person
as the Prophet on the basis of evidence,
so now he is the source of Deen for us. To state this point,
right in the first paragraph of my book Meezan,
I have explained that till Qiyamah,
the lone source of Deen is the person of Muhammad (pbuh) the Messenger of Allah.
So our Deen begins with the Prophet,
and how does the Prophet receive the Guidance of God,
the Angel might bring it, or Allah has directly spoken,
the written Commandments were sent down from heaven,
and were given to Musa in the form of Torah.
So Allah (swt) isn't bound by us, wherever and in whichever manner
He may communicate with His Prophet. And obviously, those points,
which were told to the Prophet for his personal Guidance,
or were shown to him on some occasion, or he was made to have an experience,
where will those be stated?
(the Deen would be transmitted through Quran and Sunnah),
those will be stated in history,
so the most authentic record of history is the Hadees.
So it will be there and where else will it be?
Hence I have told, say, about 'Dajjal' (Antichrist),
in the same way, about the Signs of Qiyamah, about tribulations,
about the circumstances that would develop after him (pbuh),
the reports from the Prophet, i.e. what is their purpose?
Their purpose is that the personality whom we have accepted as the Prophet,
regarding him, further Signs would also keep appearing till Qiyamah,
so that there is an increase in the 'Iman' (Faith) of people.
It is for this purpose.
There isn't any addition or reduction in Guidance through them.
So these will only be stated in the Narrations and where else?
[Hassan] Okay, just a small point Ghamidi Sahab,
you said that he was shown the Ru'ya (Dream)
and Allah (swt) gave the Guidance in different dreams,
so you say that the dream are in the form of allegories,
and when those allegories reach us through Narrations then we decode them,
then the concept regarding
'Wahi' is that it is absolutely clear and to the point,
then for example if the Prophet was shown some revelation
in the form of a dream,
and Allah (swt) communicated some point through that means,
then if the Ulema today will think over those allegories to decode them,
then won't it be against the rank and glory of 'Wahi'?
[Ghamidi] No, are we the ones to state the rank and glory of 'Wahi' from our end?
The Guidance that comes for us in the form of Deen,
that is the one which is absolutely clear, explicit, and confirmed.
That is mentioned in the Quran and is also communicated through the Sunnah.
And many other things are in the form of allegories too.
There was an interaction between Allah and his Prophet Abraham (pbuh),
there too, the methodology of allegory was adopted.
It was an event of such magnitude and as a result of which
a complete tradition got established among us.
In the same way, you see the rituals and rites of Hajj were shown,
i.e. for them, the method of Wahi was not communicated through words,
or it wasn't like something was put into his heart,
rather, "arina manasikana" they were shown.
The circumstances that are to be faced by the Ummah of the Prophet,
the Ru'ya was shown to the Prophet
which is stated in the initial part of Surah Bani Israel.
All these means are adopted, hence the content of Deen in them
that is of course absolutely confirmed and intact
and communicated in the form of words or actions.
[Hassan] Ghamidi Sahab, so we can summarize that
though people report Hadees on their own initiative,
however, in its content, if some point is being stated there
attributed to the Messenger of Allah and that is in addition to
what is there in the Quran,
then 'Wahi' (Revelation) might be found inside the Hadees.
[Ghamidi] Yes, there is 'Wahi' as well as
the independent decisions of the Messenger of Allah (pbuh),
as well as the ordinary incidents too. All such things are found there.
So what the reason is there for the 'Wahi' to not be there?
i.e. if some point has been told to the Messenger of Allah
with regard to the future, then it will be from Allah (swt),
from where else will it be known?
And Allah (swt) has told that to tell something,
the means He adopts is that of 'Wahi'.
So there can't be any two views regarding its presence there.