"AMERICA’S NEWSROOM."
I’M ED HENRY.
>> Sandra: GOOD FRIDAY MORNING
TO YOU.
THE PROTESTERS CAMPING OUT IN A
SIX BLOCK SECTION OF THE CITY
CALLING IT THE CAPITOL HILL
AUTONOMOUS ZONE.
THE PRESIDENT SAYING THE MAYOR
NEEDS TO TAKE ACTION NOW.
>> IF THERE WERE MORE TOUGHNESS,
YOU WOULDN’T HAVE THE KIND OF
DEVASTATION THAT YOU HAD IN
MINNEAPOLIS AND IN SEATTLE.
I WILL TELL YOU IF THEY DON’T
STRAIGHTEN THAT SITUATION OUT,
WE ARE GOING TO STRAIGHTEN IT
OUT.
>> Ed: "FOX NEWS SUNDAY" ANGER
JOINS US.
YOU OF COURSE ARE THE AUTHOR OF
THE NEW BOOK COUNTDOWN 1945, THE
EXTRAORDINARY STORY OF THE
ATOMIC BOMB AND THE 116 DAYS
THAT CHANGE THE WORLD.
AN EXTRAORDINARY TIME THEN AND
WE ARE LIVING IN EXTRAORDINARY
TIMES NOW.
IN SEATTLE, THE POLICE IT SEEMS
WE ARE TOLD TO ABANDON YOUR EAST
PRECINCT.
"THE WALL STREET JOURNAL" SAYS
IT IS UP OCCUPY WALL STREET
SEIZING SEVERAL BLOCKS OF THE
CITY BUT THE MAYOR SAYS IT’S
JUST GOING TO BE LIKE THE SUMMER
OF LOVE.
YOUR THOUGHTS?
>> MY GUESS IS HOW I THINK THIS
IS GOING TO BE ONE WAY OR
ANOTHER IN A WEEK THAT EITHER
THEY ARE JUST GOING TO GET TIRED
OF IT, AND I DON’T KNOW THE
DEGREE TO WHICH THE FOLKS IN
SEATTLE ARE GOING TO BLOCKADE
THEM SO THAT THEY RUN OUT OF
PROVISIONS OR I THINK YOU ARE
GOING TO SEE AN INCREASE PUSH TO
FORCE THEM OUT.
I WOULD BE SURPRISED -- I HEARD
WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT THE
PRESIDENT.
AND WHEN YOU SEE WHAT
MARK MILLEY SAID, THE CHAIRMAN
OF THE JOINT CHIEFS AND THE
SECRETARY OF DEFENSE, I CAN’T
IMAGINE THAT THE MILITARY -- HE
CAN DO WHATEVER HE WANTS.
I CAN’T IMAGINE THAT THE
MILITARY WANTS TO GET INVOLVED
IN A DOMESTIC DISPUTE AND USE OF
FORCE BUT WHETHER IT IS THE
NATIONAL GUARD OR THE POLICE, I
WOULD THINK THAT AT A CERTAIN
POINT AS WE HAVE SEEN IN THESE
CASES, YOU TRY TO WAIT THEM OUT
AND THEN WHEN YOU CAN, YOU USE
FORCE TO PUSH THEM OUT AND THOSE
DON’T END WELL AS WE’VE SEEN IN
WACO AND OTHER CASES AROUND THE
COUNTRY.
>> Ed: INTO YOUR POINT, WHEN
HE WAS TALKING ABOUT POLICE
REFORM AND RACIAL INEQUALITY AND
HOW TO TRY AND FIX IT WAS
TOUTING THE USE OF THE
NATIONAL GUARD IN MINNEAPOLIS
AND HE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT
BECAUSE ORDER WAS RESTORED BUT
TO YOUR POINT, THERE’S BEEN A
LOT OF CONTROVERSY ABOUT THE USE
OF FORCE, LAFAYETTE SQUARE AND
OTHER PLACES, BUT THE BOTTOM
LINE, WHAT DO YOU DO IF YOU
CAN’T CONTROL THE CITY?
AT SOME POINT, SOMEBODY NEEDS TO
ACT.
>> THE ONE BIG DIFFERENCE FROM
MINNEAPOLIS IS THE GOVERNOR
THERE WAS THE ONE WHO CALLED THE
NATIONAL GUARD IN WHICH IS WHAT
NORMALLY HAPPENS, THERE IS A
QUESTION AS TO WHETHER
GOVERNOR INSLEE IN WASHINGTON
STATE IS WILLING TO CALL THE
NATIONAL GUARD, BUT FOR THE
PRESIDENT GO OVER HIS HEAD
WHETHER IT’S THE NATIONAL GUARD
AND THEN TO ORDER A MOVEMENT, A
FORCIBLE EVICTION, IT ISN’T A
WHOLE CITY, IT IS SIX SQUARE
BLOCKS BUT OBVIOUSLY CAN’T BE
ALLOWED TO CONTINUE FOR VERY
LONG, YOU WOULD HOPE THAT FOLKS
WOULD COME TO THEIR SENSES AND
GET OUT OR JUST GET TIRED AND
GET OUT.
A SHORT OF THAT, OFTEN TIMES IT
ENDS UP WITH THE USE OF FORCE
AND THAT IS AN END WELL.
>> Ed: HERE IS WHAT
GOVERNOR INSLEE SAID HIS AND WE
WILL NOT ALLOW VIOLENCE COMING
THROUGH THE WHITE HOUSE, THE
U.S. MILITARY SERVES TO PROTECT
AMERICANS, NOT THE FRAGILITY OF
AN INSECURE PRESIDENT.
SO HE IS TAKING A SHOT THERE,
BUT I SEEM TO REMEMBER TWO OR
THREE NIGHTS AGO WHEN THEY
STARTED, THE GOVERNOR HIMSELF
WAS SAYING I DON’T REALLY KNOW
THAT MUCH ABOUT THIS AS IF HE
WAS IN THE DARK.
>> HE DOES NOW, AND IT WILL
BECOME A NATIONAL ISSUE AND YOU
CAN BE SERVED THAT ALL OF US IN
THE MEDIA ARE GOING TO GO THERE,
THE AUTONOMOUS ZONE OF
CAPITOL HILL IN WASHINGTON
STATE.
THIS CAN’T STAND FOR MUCH
LONGER.
HOW WOULD THINK WITHIN A WEEK,
SOMETHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO
END THIS.
YOU CAN’T HAVE PEOPLE JUST
TAKING OVER EVEN IF IT IS SIX
SQUARE BLOCKS, YOU CAN HAVE
PEOPLE TAKING OVER MAJOR
AMERICAN CITIES AND DECLARING
THEM GOVERNMENT FREE ZONE IS AN
INDEPENDENT.
I’VE GOT TO SAY, I’VE SEEN
EVERYTHING, AND THEN I SEE
SOMETHING I HAVEN’T SEEN THEM.
>> Ed: THAT’S WHY I.T. DID
THAT BY SAYING YOU’VE GOT THIS
BOOK OUT TALKING ABOUT 1945 IN
EXTRAORDINARY TIMES IN AMERICAN
HISTORY AND IN LAST MINUTE OR SO
WE HAVE IS YOU GET READY FOR
"FOX NEWS SUNDAY" AND YOU CAN
TEE UP WE ARE GOING TO HAVE,
WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THIS MOMENT
NOW THAT THE PRESIDENT IS TRYING
TO NAVIGATE A?
>> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT REALLY
STRUCK ME AS AT THE MANHATTAN
PROJECT FOR TWO PLUS YEARS,
125,000 PEOPLE ACROSS THE
COUNTRY IN TENNESSEE AND
HANNAFORD WASHINGTON, 125,000
PEOPLE, AND IT NEVER LEAKED,
NOBODY SAID ANYTHING.
TODAY, IF WE HAD 125,000 PEOPLE
WORKING ON BAKING APPLE PIE,
SOMEBODY WOULD TWEET TOMORROW OR
INSTAGRAM TOMORROW THAT THIS WAS
OUTRAGEOUS AND IMMORAL AND THEY
WERE GOING TO BLOW THE WHISTLE
ON IT.
SO THE POINT IN MAKING IS THERE
WAS UNITY BACK THEN.
THERE WAS A SENSE OF COMMON
PURPOSE, SINCE WE ARE ALL IN
THIS TOGETHER, AND WE DON’T HAVE
THAT TODAY, AND IT IS TOO BAD
AND I THINK THAT WE SUFFER FROM
THAT, THE LACK OF COMMON PURPOSE
AND UNITY IN THE COUNTRY TODAY.
ONE OF THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCES
IN WRITING 1945 BETWEEN THEN AND
NOW.
>> Ed: SO PARTICULARLY
IMPORTANT POINTS YOU JUST MADE
AND AS YOU HEAD INTO THIS
WEEKEND FOR "FOX NEWS SUNDAY,"
THE PRESIDENT TALKING ABOUT
POLICE REFORM, THE DEMOCRAT
START OF THE WEEK OFF WITH THEIR
BILL, HEAR A LOT OF TALK NOT
JUST FROM THE HOUSE REPUBLICAN
LEADER KEVIN McCARTHY BUT
TIM SCOTT IS REALLY RUNNING
POINT FOR SENATE REPUBLICANS AS
WELL.
>> WE WILL HAVE THE
CONGRESSWOMAN, CHAIRWOMAN OF THE
CONGRESSIONAL BLACK CAUCUS, THE
LEADER FROM THE HOUSE DEMOCRATS
IN TERMS OF THEIR POLICING AND
REFORMS THEY WANT TO DO.
ASKING THE WHITE HOUSE FOR A TOP
OFFICIAL, THEY HAVEN’T COME BACK
TO US HE HAD ON THAT.
ANOTHER STORY WE’VE GOT ANOTHER
GUEST WE’VE GOT IS ONE OF THE
TOP EPIDEMIOLOGIST IN THE
COUNTRY FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF
MINNESOTA BECAUSE I HATE TO SAY
IT, BUT THERE WAS A SPIKE IN THE
CORONAVIRUS PARTICULARLY ACROSS
THE SOUTH AND SOME OF THE STATES
THAT WERE THE LAST TO SHUT DOWN
IN EARLY IS TO OPEN.
ARIZONA, TEXAS, FLORIDA, 40%
INCREASES, SOME OF IT MAY BE
BECAUSE OF MORE TESTING BUT SOME
OF IT SEEMS TO BE THE SPREAD OF
THE DISEASE, SO WE WILL BE
TALKING ABOUT THAT ON SUNDAY.