Did you have any
intelligence pointing to an insu
like we saw?
No, we did not have any
specific information
with kind of the timeline of pos
implementation of precautions pl
But for us,
it has always been pretty obviou
that it's just a matter of time
when someone in Russia
will dare to challenge Putin,
because we saw how his
power and authority is shrinking
and how Russia is entering
very difficult turbulence.
So precaution is
just the first one who dared
But I have no doubts
that others will follow
one way or another.
Do you think that Vladimir Putin
in command
and in power in Moscow right now
Well, that's a tricky question.
Formally, yes, I think he's stil
the center of power insist in th
but to many parts or elements
of the system.
So the obvious that he can be ch
and that some decisions can be t
without his clearance.
So what he's probably trying to
now is to reassert his control
over the system.
I doubt he will succeed.
But that's my that's my assessme
What we've seen is just another
the next phase of
the disintegration of Russia,
of Putin's power vertical.
And
it's unavoidable This is not.
This is the process
you can try to slow down,
but you cannot stop it.
We saw
similar processes in the past.
I want to ask you
one important thing about this.
We understand from our reporting
that U.S.
officials had extremely detailed
advance warning of precautions,
for Wagner troop movements
and everything that we saw
unfold this weekend,
but that they did
not share this with Ukraine
because they were concerned
that those communications
would be interested Right.
It was a concern about intercept
Do you think that's a fair conce
Well,
we enjoy a very good
level of intelligence cooperatio
With the United States.
But, of course, in the end,
the United States decides
on the volume of information
that can be shared
What is important,
I think, since the events
were taking place
in the territory of Russia,
that's one thing.
But if anything had been planned
in the territory of Ukraine,
I have no doubts that the US
administration, Biden administra
would have
would share this information wit
But when it comes to Russia,
this is a slightly different
slightly different story.
So you're not angry
that they didn't share that info
No, no, no.
I feel
I only feel this
and I only feel frustrated
with the United States
when decisions on delivering
certain types of weapons to Ukra
take more time than I wish it to
But overall, we are extremely gr
to the
Biden administration
and to the people of the United
for everything they are doing fo
So has the rebellion in Russia,
as you've seen over
just these past few days.
And I know it's sort of
still the fog and chaos of it,
but has it changed anything on
the front lines? I spoke to a
drone operator, Ukrainian drone
He's operating near Baku.
And he was saying on Saturday
they felt
a palpable panic from the Russia
But that it
then subsequently returned to
what he said
would be quote unquote normal
in terms of their behavior.
If this mutiny had lasted for
48 hours more,
I am pretty certain we would hav
a demoralizing impact
on the Russian forces
fighting in the south
and east of Ukraine.
Unfortunately, Prigozhin
gave up too quickly,
so there was no time for this,
just a little demoralizing effec
penetrate Russian trenches.
When Putin finally spoke,
he obviously didn't
mention percussion by name.
He talked about traitor and trea
But he didn't he didn't use his
Lukashenko supposedly brokered
the whole deal,
did a press conference today.
Guess what?
He didn't mention Prigozhin at a
What do you think is happening h
And because it is
so significant
for Bognor
and which has been so important
in this war.
Do you have any sense
as to where Prigozhin is?
I don't care who really.
But there was a picture of a Wag
being stuck
in between the gates
of the circus
in the city of Rostov.
And I think that this is the bes
to explain in a nutshell.
The current situation of Wagner
stuck in the middle of it
is still a war machine,
but it is stuck in a circus
of Russian politics.
I don't
I think Wagner will not
continue its existence, as
in the in the current form
But
I don't really care
what is what is going to happen
because, you know,
we think about
what is happening in Ukraine,
but if it changes its existence
in its current form,
that could
have huge implications for you.
I mean, we've been talking about
for months, right?
Bognor troops being so central.
So if it changes its existence,
then that remains to be seen.
When you fight a war,
what really matters
is the type of engagement
on the battlefield.
So, yeah, if Wagner
if Wagner disintegrates
or falls into pieces, but part o
move to the regular
and will become part of the regu
Russian army and end up
on the frontline
fighting
in exactly
the same way
as they did being part of Wagner
then the change will not be that
But if something deeper and more
damaging will happen to them,
and some of them, some of, for e
some of the veterans
with excellent fighting
records will will decide
to retire entirely. Yes, that th
And what is your
the greatest challenge
that you're facing in
doing that right now on those fr
where that daily fighting is hap
Uh, minefields,
reinforced, uh, defensive lines.
And, uh, don't
Russia's domination in the air.
These are the three factors that
cause the biggest problems for u
But against the background of
these factors,
we are still moving forward stea
I understand that people will
we are a generation of Netflix
and everyone wants a blockbuster
sometimes things take time
to evolve,
especially when life of people,
real human beings is
is at stake.
One big question out there
remains the nuclear question.
And obviously,
the Ukrainian intelligence chief
Putin has drafted and approved
those are his words, plans
to attack this Operation
Nuclear Power Plant,
which as we know, is
the largest in Europe.
President Zelensky
has also warned
of such a possible attack recent
How real is this risk, do you th
As long as the
Parisian nuclear power
plant remains in the hands of Ru
The risk is real.
The question
I think Russia is struggling wit
is the problem of attribution, b
of course,
they don't want to be blamed for
another nuclear disaster.
So I think they're struggling
to find a way to
to perform
it as as a false flag operation
something else
that would not be directly
attributable to them.
And this is why
it gets so important.
And I want really to take the op
of this conversation
to really call spade a spade,
because what international media
was the explosion at the new coc
when they cast doubt about
who did it
That is exactly what Russia is
looking for.
To cast doubt and throw shadow.