here now is Dr Stephen Quay a tasa
Therapeutics founder and one of the
scientists leading the charge on holding
China accountable thank you so much for
your work Dr Quay it's it's discouraging
at least to me and it must be to you as
well that at the hearing that you're at
the Congressional hearing there was not
one single Democrat in attendance this
is not a partisan issue is it
well it isn't David and even now in
talking to you I want to make it clear
that I'm going to focus on the science
I'm going to deliver the best scientific
advice I can to to the to the folks in
Washington and elsewhere and and then
they can take it from there is it is it
too late to to really get to the bottom
of what happened I mean I there was an
article a big article in the Wall Street
Journal this week about the search for
kovitz Origins at trying to search the
wild animal farms that that is is a
possibility that the thing came from
Animal Farms but the problem is the the
government has gone and the Chinese
government has gone in and killed all
the animals at these Animal Farms
clearly they're trying to cover
something up right
well the who reporter actually talks
specifically about that and they tested
thousands of animals in the markets and
in the supply chain and then Southern
China and they didn't find the virus so
we have this data that's you know
embedded in the who report
um whether they're doing things
subsequent to that is is immaterial if
they've if we've already looked and not
seen it but after all the ways that the
who was compromised by the Chinese when
they we when we tried to get into the
lab and they would only allow Chinese
officials to do the the work or Chinese
related officials to do the work I I
just wonder whether you've lost all
Faith In The Who
well you know they they had a difficult
job but but and the one thing they were
missing were early patient records with
covid and early virus records in the
laboratory they didn't have those but
there is a lot of data that's been
collected and that will be collected in
the future that make it uh highly likely
that this came from the laboratory uh
yeah and and then there's another
question about what the laboratory was
doing with it uh the the gain of
function research whether that was that
had a more Sinister uh intent uh there
is a doctor a virologist Dr Li Ming Yan
she's a Chinese virologist who I think
she was doing her work in Hong Kong but
she she went over there and and she now
says that covid was a biologically
engineered weapon that got out of
control your thoughts about that
so you know I've I I've talked to her uh
you know a number of times and we did we
differ on some of the details you know
scientific nuances of some of this but I
think she's a very brave scientist I
think she's she's well thought and I
think we should listen to what she has
to say but clearly if the military if
the Chinese military was was using the
Wuhan lab to develop biological weapons
and and the release of this was a part
of that program they there is no way in
hell they're going to allow the who
really independent who workers into that
lab is there
uh there probably isn't so how do you
how do you come to grips with that as a
researcher I mean I I'm an investigator
as a journalist I've done investigations
and sometimes you can find people
willing to talk even if they're putting
their their lives at risk to do so I
think this this woman doctor is one of
them uh but other than that how do you
get to the bottom of this
well David the virus is like a
fingerprint and if you can study it
carefully enough you can you can tease
out what might have happened in the
laboratory without ever going in the
laboratory
um that is the focus now I believe I've
I've satisfied myself that it did come
from the laboratory there were signs of
gain of function research and now I'm
looking at why this virus was
asymptomatic why it was so toxic for the
lungs why in some ways a spike protein
prevented antibodies from forming so
there's a number of of signatures and a
number of paths in the existing gain of
function research that I can try to tie
this together Dr habris Curtis have you
been contacted by who are you concerned
about your own safety as a result of
saying things that are that were
controversial now the scientific
Community is agreeing with you but my
God the you went against the grain for a
long time
uh David I I will uh I'll make no
comment on that on that that's okay all
right well we we wish you the very best
you're doing terrific work as are your
uh compatriots and we thank you for that
work Dr Quay Stephen Quay thank you very
much for being here appreciate it
thank you David