>> NEIL: YOU KNOW, THE
GOVERNMENT CAPTURED FIVE ISIS
LEADERS, PROMINENT ONES BEHIND
ATTACKS ON AMERICAN SOLDIERS.
IT'S GETTING VERY LITTLE
ATTENTION.
TO BE FAIR, A LOT ELSE IS GOING
ON HERE, INCLUDING THE NORTH
KOREA THING, THE IRAN THING.
LIEUTENANT GENERAL JERRY BOYKEN,
GOOD TO HAVE YOU BACK.
HOW YOU DOING?
>> I'M WELL.
IT'S GOOD TO BE WITH YOU.
>> NEIL: WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT
THE FIVE GUYS CAPTURED, THEY'RE
THE BADDEST OF THE BAD.
I MEAN, IT'S A BIG DEAL.
>> THESE ARE BAD PEOPLE, NEIL.
THERE'S A LOT OF EVIDENCE THAT
ALL OF THESE GUYS HAVE BEEN
SHOWN IN BEHEADING VIDEOS AND
VIDEOS OF OTHER ATROCITIES THAT
WERE COMMITTED BY ISIS.
SO THIS IS A BIG WIN AND I TELL
YOU, IF I WAS AL BAGDADI, I
WOULD EITHER HEAD TO CAN DONE
WOULD EITHER HEAD TO CANCUONE
WOULD EITHER HEAD TO CANCUNNE
WOULD EITHER HEAD TO CANCUN OR
MAKE SURE MY LIFE INSURANCE IS
UP-TO-DATE, BECAUSE HE'S NEXT.
>> NEIL: WE GET RELIEVED THAT WE
STOP THEM OR SLOW THEIR ADVANCE,
THEN ANOTHER MORE GRUESOME
TERROR GROUP EVOLVES.
WHAT KEEPS YOU UP AT NIGHT?
WHAT WORRIES YOU?
>> WELL, THIS GLOBAL JIHAD.
WHAT WE FAILED TO UNDERSTAND I
THINK COLLECTIVELY IS THAT THIS
IS A GLOBAL MOVEMENT.
IT'S NOT JUST ISIS AND AL-QAIDA,
THEY'RE ARE ENTITIES ALL OVER
THE WORLD THAT CONSIDER
THEMSELVES TO BE PART OF THIS
GLOBAL JIHAD AND WE HAVE TO DEAL
WITH THIS ON A GLOBAL BASIS, NOT
JUST ON A REGIONAL BASIS, AND
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT OUR
PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION REALLY
HAD TROUBLE WITH.
I THINK DONALD TRUMP IS DOING
MUCH BETTER BUT THIS IS TOUGH
FOR DIPLOMATS.
>> NEIL: YOU KNOW, THAT OLD
COCKROACH THEORY SEEMS TO APPLY.
I KNOW WE'VE GOTTEN INTO THIS IN
THE PAST, THAT YOU GET RID OF
THEM IN ONE AREA, THEY POP UP IN
ANOTHER AREA.
WE THOUGHT IF WE WERE TO TRY TO
GET THEM IN PAKISTAN, WITH THE
OLD AL-QAIDA, TALIBAN ELEMENTS,
IT POPPED UP IN OTHER FORMS IN
OTHER COUNTRIES, SYRIA AMONG
THEM.
HOW DO YOU GET A HANDLE ON THIS?
OR IS IT THE KIND OF THING WE
ALWAYS HAVE TO BE AWARE OF, THIS
WILL ALWAYS BE WITH US?
>> WELL, THERE'S NOT A STRICT
MILITARY SOLUTION TO THIS.
YOU'RE RIGHT, I MEAN, THEY MOVED
OUT OF THE PAKISTAN, AFGHAN
BORDER REGIONS THERE AND THEY
MOVED DOWN INTO AFRICA.
THAT'S WHY WE'VE GOT A HUGE
PROBLEM IN AFRICA NOW WITH
ISIS-LIKE, AL-QAIDA-LIKE
ORGANIZATIONS THERE.
IN FACT, THAT'S PART OF THOSE
SOLDIERS THAT WERE KILLED, I
MEAN, THAT WAS AL-QAIDA
ASSOCIATES THAT KILLED THEM OVER
THERE.
SO WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT IT
IS LIKE -- YOU CAN'T KILL THEM
ALL.
BUT I WILL SAY THIS.
IF WE LOOK AT THIS FROM A GLOBAL
PERSPECTIVE AND RECOGNIZE THAT
THERE'S AN IDEOLOGY THAT IS
ASSOCIATED WITH THIS GLOBAL
JIHAD, WE CAN DEAL WITH IT A
WHOLE LOT MORE EFFECTIVELY THAN
IF WE THINK WE'RE JUST GOING TO
GO OUT AND FIGHT A WAR OF
ATTRITION AND KILL ALL THE TEAR
TERRORISTS THAT ARE FIGHTING
BECAUSE OF AN IDEOLOGY THAT'S
1400 YEARS OLD.
>> NEIL: THAT'S A LONG TIME OF
HATE.
MUCH HAS BEEN MADE THAT THE
PRESIDENT HAS TORN UP THE IRAN
DEAL, WANTS TO START FROM
SCRATCH.
MUCH OF THE EUROPEAN PRESS, IT
WAS A HORRIFIC THING TO DO.
WHAT I TOOK INTEREST IN IN
SEEING IS THAT NO ONE IN THE
NEIGHBORHOOD AFFECTED, IN THE
MIDDLE EAST ITSELF, NOT A ONE
COUNTRY OF THOSE -- ALL THOSE
COUNTRIES, NOT A ONE SIGNED ON
TO THIS.
SO THEY'RE THERE AND THEY KNOW
THE DANGER OF IRAN AND WANTED NO
PARTY TO IT.
AND WE TRIED TO GET THEM TO BE A
PARTY TO IT.
WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU?
>> WELL, WITH THE POSSIBLE
EXCEPTION OF BAHARAIN, ALL OF
THE GULF COUNTRIES AS WELL AS
ISRAEL AND EGYPT, I MIGHT ADD,
ARE ALL DELIGHTED THAT PRESIDENT
TRUMP HAS TAKEN THE GLOBAL
LEADERSHIP ON THIS ISSUE AND
BACKED OUT OF THIS TREATY.
AND I THINK THAT IT'S ONLY A
MATTER OF TIME UNTIL YOU'RE
GOING TO SEE MORE POSITIVES
COMING OUT ABOUT WHAT HE'S DONE
HERE, BECAUSE THIS WAS A BAD