STUART: AN APPEALS COURT JUST
CAME OUT AND SAID STH
CAME OUT AND SAID THH
CAME OUT AND SAID THEY WILL
UPHOLD THE TRUMP
ADMINISTRATION'S BAN ON BUMP
STOCKS.
THEY ARE ATTACHMENTS THAT MAKE
SEMIAUTOMATIC GUNS FIRE AT A
MORE RAPID PACE.
ONE BUMP STOCK MAKER HAD TO
DESTROY I THINK 72,000 PIECES
WHICH THEY HAD IN THEIR
INVENTORY.
THEY ARE ALSO SUING THE
GOVERNMENT.
COME IN, MARK MAXWELL AND MIKE
STUART, CO-FOUNDERS OF RW ARMS
LIMITED.
THESE ARE THE BUMP STOCK MAKERS.
YOU HAVE DESTROYED THESE
DEVICES.
OKAY.
GENTLEMAN IN THE HAT, I DO
DECLARE, THERE IS BIPARTISAN
SUPPORT FOR THE BUMP STOCK BAN.
WHY DO YOU SUPPOSE -- WHY DO YOU
SUPPORT IT?
NO, WHY DO YOU WANT TO KEEP ON
MAKING THESE THINGS AND SELLING
THEM?
>> WELL, AT THIS POINT WE
WEREN'T MANUFACTURING THEM.
WE WERE RETAILING WHAT WAS
LEGALLY MANUFACTURED BY SEVERAL
DIFFERENT MANUFACTURERS.
STUART: OKAY.
THE BAN WANTS TO GET THEM OUT OF
SOCIETY, SO THEY FORCED YOU TO
DESTROY THEM.
IT'S NOT A QUESTION OF WHO MAKES
THEM.
IT'S A QUESTION OF GETTING RID
OF THEM.
DO YOU OPPOSE GETTING RID OF
THEM?
>> THE BAN HASN'T GOTTEN RID OF
ALL OF THEM.
THE ESTIMATES ON THE STREET IS
ACTUALLY GROSSLY UNDERSTATED.
THE ACTUAL NUMBERS ARE PROBABLY
CLOSER TO A MILLION, IF NOT 1.2
MILLION.
STUART: MIKE STEWART, GENTLEMAN
ON THE RIGHT OF THE SCREEN,
MIKE, THESE DEVICES MAKE FOR
MAXIMUM KILLING POWER IN A RIFLE
WHICH IS OTHERWISE DESIGNED FOR
HUNTING.
THAT'S AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND
IT.
WHY SHOULDN'T THEY BE BANNED?
SOCIETY IS CALLING FOR THIS.
>> FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR
HAVING US ON.
MARK AND I ARE BOTH FANS.
YOU SAY THEY ARE MAKING THEM
KILLING MACHINES WHEN THE STOCK
DOES NOT CHANGE THE RIFLE.
IT'S STILL A SEMIAUTOMATIC
RIFLE.
IT'S STILL ONE ROUND THAT'S
RELEASED FOR ONE PULL OF THE
TRIGGER.
IT'S A SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLE.
THE BUMP STOCK DID NOTHING
MECHANICALLY TO THE RIFLE.
THEREFORE, IT HASN'T CHANGED
ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
STUART: BUT DO YOU DISPUTE THE
IDEA THAT IT INCREASES THE
KILLING POWER?
I BELIEVE A BUMP STOCK DEVICE
WAS USED IN THE LAS VEGAS
SHOOTINGS.
>> THEY WERE THERE, I DON'T KNOW
IF THEY WERE USED, BUT I
DISAGREE.
YOU CAN DO THE SAME THING WITH A
RIFLE WITHOUT A BUMP STOCK.
STUART: WELL, LOOK --
>> I DISAGREE COMPLETELY.
STUART: I UNDERSTAND, AND
THERE'S ROOM FOR ARGUMENT HERE,
BUT WE HAVE REACHED A POINT IN
OUR SOCIETY WHERE, I MEAN, THERE
IS DEMAND, DO SOMETHING.
YOU HEARD THIS.
DO SOMETHING, WHEN YOU'VE GOT
THESE MASS SHOOTINGS.
ONE OF THE THINGS THE
ADMINISTRATION HAS DONE IS TO
BAN THESE BUMP STOCKS.
IN LIGHT OF -- BECAUSE THEY WERE
USED IN VEGAS.
MARK, IN LIGHT OF THAT, YOU DO
UNDERSTAND THIS BAN, YOU MAY NOT
SUPPORT IT BUT YOU CAN
UNDERSTAND IT, CAN'T YOU?
>> WE CAN DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND
THE WORDING THAT WAS USED, I
THINK THERE'S SOME
MISCONCEPTIONS, AS MIKE JUST
SAID.
IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE ACTUAL
FUNCTIONALITY OF THE GUN.
THIS IS CLEARLY A SECOND
AMENDMENT OVERREACH.
IF THEY BAN THIS FIRST, THEN
WHAT'S NEXT?
IS IT GOING TO BE TRIGGERS?
IS IT GOING TO BE BINARY
TRIGGERS, IS IT OPTICS THAT
INCREASE RANGE OF SIGHT FOR A
RIFLE?
IS IT GOING TO BE TARGET AND
PRACTICE RIFLES, WHAT'S NEXT?
STUART: WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF A
BUMP STOCK?
>> BEGINNING OF A VERY SLIPPERY
SLOPE.
STUART: WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF
THE BUMP STOCK DEVICE?
WHAT IS IT?
>> THE PURPOSE OF THE BUMP STOCK
IS TO HAVE FUN.
IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT WAY OF
GOING OUT AND ENJOYING OUR
SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS AND
SHOOTING.
IT'S JUST LIKE GOING OUT AND
PLINKING WITH A .22.
>> I MAY ADD THE BUMP STOCK IS
THE SAFEST WAY TO BUMP FIRE A
RIFLE.
THERE'S MANY WAYS TO BUMP FIRE A
RIFLE.
STUART: OKAY.
LOOK, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE
TECHNICALITIES OF IT BUT I DO
UNDERSTAND PUBLIC OPINION AND I
THINK I CAN UNDERSTAND PUBLIC
OPINION WANTING SOMETHING DONE
ABOUT A DEVICE WHICH DOES
INCREASE THE SHOOTING POWER OF
AN ORDINARY RIFLE.
YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN?
LAST QUESTION.
>> THE POWER ISN'T CHANGED.
STUART: IS THIS GOING TO PUT YOU
GUYS OUT OF BUSINESS?
>> IT'S GOING TO HURT OUR
BUSINESS.
WE ARE A SMALL BUSINESS, BOTH
VETERAN OWNED, OPERATED.
WE DID ABOUT 40% IN SALES OF
BUMP STOCKS.
WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO
BRING OUT INNOVATIVE PRODUCTS TO
THE GUN INDUSTRY.
STUART: MARK AND MIKE, RW ARMS,
I THINK IT'S A GOOD DEBATE AND
GOOD DEBATE TO HAVE.
WE THANK YOU FOR APPEARING ON