>> ANTHONY SCARAMUCCI WAS
SUPPORTING THE PRESENT AND
BEGAN TO CRITICIZE HIM.
>> THIS IS RACIST COMMENTS.
THE FACT WE HAVE TO DEBATE IT
MEANS THE PRESIDENT IS IN
TROUBLE.
>> THE PRESIDENT TWEETED BACK
AND WITH REPORTERS.
[INAUDIBLE]
>> GENTLENESS NOW FROM LONG
ISLAND ANTHONY SCARAMUCCI.
AND SERVED BRIEFLY AS THE WHITE
HOUSE COMMUNICATION DIRECTOR.
YOU HAVE LARGELY BEEN DEFENDED
THE PRESIDENT FOR YEARS.
HOW DO YOU GO FROM SAYING THAT
HE NEEDS TO TONE DOWN HIS
RHETORIC TO CALL HIM A JACKASS,
CRAZY, OFF THE RAILS,
NARCISSISTIC AND SAYING
REPUBLICANS SHOULD DUMP HIM IN
2020?
>> I MEAN THOSE ARE PROBABLY
WORDS THAT HIS ENTIRE STAFF IS
SAYING ABOUT HIM BUT
UNFORTUNATELY NOT WILLING TO
COME OUT IN PUBLIC AND SAY
THEM.
AND THE LESSON THAT YOU SAW
THERE WITH THE PRESS YOU CAN
ADD THAT TO THE "WASHINGTON
POST", 10,000 LIES AND IF ANY
JOURNALIST JUST WANT TO DO
THIS, JUST GO LOOK AT THE WHITE
HOUSE PHONE RECORDS.
YOU'LL SEE I DID NOT CALL HIM
THAT MANY TIMES AND IT ALSO
POINTED OUT ARE NOT GIVEN ANY
MONEY TO HIS CAMPAIGN OR ASKED
HIM FOR MY JOB BACK.
SO HE CAN CONTINUE TO LIVE IN
THE WORLD OF DELUSIONAL
ACTIVITY BUT I'M TRYING TO
UNDERSTAND --
>> AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHY
YOU FLIPPED.
YOU ARE NOW BASICALLY
CAMPAIGNING AGAINST HIM.
>> BECAUSE HE'S GONE OFF THE
RAILS, HOW WE.
HE'S ACTING IN A WAY THAT IS
COMPLETELY UNSTABLE.
IS LEADERSHIP, HE IS LITERALLY,
42 PRESIDENT SINCE WASHINGTON,
HE'S LITERALLY THE OPPOSITE OF
GEORGE WASHINGTON.
WHEN HE LOOKS AT A NEWS FEED OR
NEWS SEARCH HE IS FOCUSING ON
THE NAME TRUMP AND NOT THE NAME
OF THE UNITED STATES OF
AMERICA.
THE GUY IS COMPLETELY LOST IT.
MOREOVER AS IT RELATES TO THE
CULTURE OF LEADERSHIP INSIDE
THE WHITE HOUSE, THE CABINET,
THE PEOPLE HE IS LEADING, HE
DOES NOT LEAD THEM, HE THINKS
HIS PERSONAL TRAUMA FIX THE
CHINA SITUATION, WHERE THE
NORTH KOREA SITUATION.
WHEN IN FACT IT IS THE VERY
OPPOSITE.SO NOW WE ARE IN THE
SITUATION WHERE HE IS BLENDING
RACISM INTO THE LEADERSHIP
CULTURE.
ONE MORE SENTENCE.
>> GO AHEAD.
>> I'M A VERY LOYAL GUY, HOGAN
POINTED I WAS FIRED, NO
PROBLEM.
I STAY LOYAL TO HIM FOR TWO
YEARS.
I WAS GRADUALLY IN SEVERAL
SPECIFIC THINGS BUT TAKING
FOUR-MONTH-OLD BABIES AWAY FROM
OTHERS AND I.C.E. ATTACKS THIS
IS NOT WHAT WE ARE ABOUT.
>> THE PRESIDENT HAS USED
DIVISIVE LANGUAGE THEY BELIEVE
IN SAYING YOU LARGELY DEFENDED
HIM.
YOU ARE TOUGH ON CERTAIN ISSUES
INCLUDING ON THIS PROGRAM,
INCLUDING HARSH RHETORIC
AGAINST THE PRESS BUT YOU
LARGELY DEFENDED HIM AND
LARGELY PRAISING HIM.
AND NOW THEY ARE SAYING WHAT
TOOK YOU SO LONG.
>> A THING IS A VERY
JUSTIFIABLE WITTICISM AND I
WILL BE, I WILL HAVE AN
EDITORIAL IN THE "WASHINGTON
POST" THIS WEEK THAT FULLYb&
APPEARED FRANKLY I DO HAVE
ENOUGH TIME AND YOU'RE SURE TO
FULLY ELICIT IT BUT HERE'S WHAT
I WOULD SAY TO THOSE PEOPLE ON
THE LEFT.
WE RECOGNIZE THAT THE PRESIDENT
IS A CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER
TO THE AMERICAN SOCIETY AND
AMERICAN CULTURE.
THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE INSIDE
THE WHITE HOUSE AND CABINET, I
WOULD ASK THE LEFT TO LESS
CREATE AN OFFER FOR THOSE
PEOPLE BECAUSE WE ARE TRYING TO
DEPROGRAM PEOPLE FROM A CULT,
ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS YOU
HAVE TO DO IS ALLOW THEM TO
CHANGE YOUR MIND.
AND YOU HAVE TO ALLOW THEM TO
HAVE THE SPACE TO CHANGE HER
MIND.
SO ME, IT WAS A VERY GRADUAL
PROCESS WHERE THEY CAN BE
CRITICAL OF ME FOR THAT.I
FRANKLY OWNED THAT.
BUT TRUST ME, THERE'S A TON OF
PEOPLE INSIDE THE WHITE HOUSE,
INSIDE THE GOVERNMENT, UP ON
CAPITOL HILL TO FEEL THE EXACT
SAME WAY AND I WOULD JUST
CAUTION THOSE PEOPLE ON CAPITOL
HILL, WHEN THEIR POLL NUMBERS
START TO GO IN THE DIRECTION OF
THE PRESIDENT, ANOTHER
INTIMIDATED BY HIS BULLYING NOW
AND I KNOW THEY ARE INTIMIDATED
BY THE FORCE OF HIS PERSONALITY
AND HIS NONSENSE BUT DON'T BE.
ONCE YOU BEAT UP ON A BULLY A
LITTLE BIT, THEY START TO
CRACK.
>> I KNOW YOU'RE SAYING THAT
YOU SPEAK FOR SOME REPUBLICANS
WHO WERE NOT WILLING TO SAY
THIS PUBLICLY BUT YOU HAVE BEEN
A VERY POPULAR GUY THIS WEEK.
YOU BEEN ALL OVER MSNBC AND CNN
HE SAW DELLA DON LEMON AND
TRUMP BASHES ON CABLE NEWS AND
YOU ON MSNBC WITH OMAROSA.
SEAN SPICER SAYS YOUR DEFECTION
IS IN ACCORD HERE, CATNIP FOR
THE LEFT-WING MEDIA TO GO OUT
AND USE SOMEBODY LIKE YOU TO
CREATE A CONTROVERSY.
DOES HE HAVE A POINT?
>> WELL, HE HAS A POINT AND I
THINK IS VERY GOOD TALKING
POINT BUT YOU KNOW LISTEN,
PEOPLE CAN SEE THROUGH THE
CAMERA, IN THEIR LIVING ROOMS,
IT'S NOT REALLY MY PERSONALITY.
I GOT BRUTALLY FIRED BY THE
GUY, IF I WAS GOING TO BREAK
FROM THE GUY WHY WOULD I JUST
HAVE BROKEN RIGHT THEN AND
THERE?
I TRIED TO STAY LOYAL TO HIS
AGENDA AND ADMISSION BUT I'M
ALSO BALANCED TODAY.I'M ALSO
POINTING OUT THERE'S A LOT OF
THINGS HE'S DONE AS RELATED TO
THE ECONOMY, HAS BEEN VERY
HELPFUL.
THE RACIAL STUFF HAS BEEN VERY
HURTFUL AND ROSE TO SEAN SPICER
AND OTHERS, RIPPING THE SOCIAL
FABRIC OF THE COUNTRY IS A
CANCER, A METASTATIC CANCER.
HAVING A RECESSION HERE OR
THERE, THAT'S A BONE BREAK WE
CAN SURVIVE IT.
BUT WHAT HE'S DOING AND THE WAY
HE IS PROCESSING THAT, AND I
SAID ON YOUR SHOW A FEW WEEKS
AGO, I SAID, PLEASE STOP DOING
THAT IS UN-AMERICAN.
IT IS NOT GOOD FOR OUR COUNTRY.
>> WHEN YOU SAID --
>> I NEED THIS LIKE A HOLE IN
MY HEAD BY THE WAY.
I'M LOOKING AT THE COUNTRY, MY
FIVE CHILDREN, I'M LOOKING AT
WHERE WE ARE CULTURALLY.>> I
HEAR YOU BUT WE HAVE TO END THE
DISCUSSION.
WHEN YOU NOW SAY ALL OF THESE
THINGS, YOU CALLED HIM A CULT
LEADER WHICH IS PRETTY
INCENDIARY LANGUAGE.
WE JUST SWALLOWING ALL OF THIS
WHILE YOU ARE -- YOU ARE
LARGELY A DEFENDER ON
TELEVISION.
WERE YOU JUST SORT OF, DID YOU
HAVE TERRIBLE JUDGMENT?
BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE COMING OUT
EXPECTING ALL OF US TO BELIEVE
THE GUYS A TERRIBLE LEADER, THE
GUY WHO YOU SUPPORTED.
>> I DIDN'T REALLY CALL HIM A
CULT LEADER.
WHAT I SAID IS THAT -- PEOPLE
IN CULT NEED TO BE DEPROGRAM
THEREFORE YOU HAVE TO CREATE AN
OFFERING FOR THEM.
BUT ON THIS SPECIFIC QUESTION,
AGAIN, I WILL STATE EXACT THE
SAME THING TO YOU.
WHAT I SAID THREE WEEKS AGO SO
THAT YOU CAN SEE THE
CONSISTENCY.
THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THE
PRESIDENT HAS DONE.
ECONOMICALLY, THE ADMINISTERS
STATE, DEREGULATION, HELPING
CORPORATE AMERICA, THERE ARE A
LOT OF THINGS HE'S DONE.
BUT AS I SAID THREE OR FOUR
WEEKS AGO, IF HE CONTINUES DOWN
THE PATH OF PROJECTING RACISM
TO TRY TO SPLIT THE COUNTRY,
PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF WILL BREAK
FROM HIM.
THIS IS A COMMENT YOU MADE AS A
GRADUAL, PAINFUL PROCESS,
FRANKLY.
AND WENT TO QUESTION MY
JUDGMENT, THAT IS FINE.
BUT 60 PERCENT OF THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE DO NOT LIKE WHAT HE'S
DOING.
>> A LITTLE HAVE 20 TO 30
SECONDS.
IN TERMS OF YOU ARE, HOGAN
GIDLEY SAID ABOUT PEOPLE LIKE
YOU, WHEN THEY SEE A MOMENT
THEY CAN PROFIT PERSONALLY FROM
THE PRESENT BECAUSE IT MAKES
THEM MORE POPULAR WITH THE
PRESS.
>> RAY, HOGAN GIDLEY HAS SEEN
MY FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE.
I'M NOT INTERESTED IN ANYTHING
LIKE THAT.
WHAT I'M INTERESTED IN IS REAL
LEADERSHIP AND LESS DIVISION.
I THINK THAT IS THE MOST
IMPORTANT THING FOR THE
COUNTRY.
HOGAN CAN SAY THAT, I GET THAT,
HE'S GOT A VERY TOUGH JOB I
DON'T EVEN TAKE IT PERSONALLY.
AFTER HIS TERRORIZED AND IN
FEAR MOST OF THE DEALING WITH
THE GUY.