So George, what is the
appointment of a special counsel
tell you about the former president's
legal situation in regards
to these two cases?
Well, he has the right to remain silent
he probably should exercise that
right tonight, but he won't.
I think he's in substantial peril.
I think
I've thought that he's
been in substantial peril
for quite a long time.
But I think that the fact that the
attorney General Garland has appointed
a special counsel kind of puts
puts a puts a highlight on that.
US, as Mr.
McCabe said,
it's not really something you do
if you think that there isn't a case
somewhere there that might be made.
I think I think they probably
I think
what's driving this as much as anything
is the fact that they have a very,
very strong case.
And Mahlangu
with documents investigation, one that is
I have to say,
I mean, from the public evidence
and we don't know all the evidence,
but the public evidence
sure looks like
he does not have a defense
to the Espionage Act charge or
or to obstruction charges or
or even to a potential, you know,
a perjury charge of or at least
suborning it.
So he's he's in substantial trouble.
And there's no question in
that that this is not going to help him
because it's it's it's going
as Andrew
said, it's going to it's
going to insulate the Justice Department
from some degree of political attacks
because this guy looks like
he has no political valence whatsoever.
He's a professional prosecutor.
That's all he's done for 30 years.
And he's apparently
he's kept his nose clean.
And I'm sure they vetted him
as well as anybody.
And and I think
they're just
going to let him do his thing.
And and to make his to make it
make a reasoned decision
based on the evidence in the law.
You say decision.
And I find that to be interesting
because at this point,
how much more investigating
do you really think needs to go on?
Is this a special counsel investigation
or more of a special counsel deliberation
about whether to press charges?
Well,
at least in the monologue,
with documents case, I don't know.
I mean, maybe there's some
line of investigation
that we don't know about.
That's always possible.
But it seems to be a very
very simple case.
The documents were stolen, that
the documents were found
in the defendant's possession,
that the defendant tried to mislead
the government
about the location of the documents
and what what
the contents of the documents.
So it's a pretty simple case.
I mean, a lot simpler than frankly mean
I'm not a criminal lawyer.
I did.
I tried
I did civil litigation for 30 years.
But it's a heck of a lot.
This this criminal case is a heck
a lot of a heck of a lot more simple
than virtually any of the civil cases
I ever saw.
So what do you make of the timing
of it, George?
You know, coming, what,
like three days
after the former
president announced he's running again?
Yeah, the timing I mean, there's no good
time for it, right?
I mean,
I think
you could make an argument,
as I did in January, 20, 21
in The Washington Post,
that they should have appointed
a special counsel then.
But I don't think they didn't you know,
they didn't foresee
what they were going
to have two years later
with the fake electors, with the
with the moral log documents.
And I think
if they had done it
in the days
leading up to the election, for example,
the midterm election,
they would have been criticized
for affecting the election,
midterm election,
if they had done it immediately
after the election,
they would have been accused
of trying to get in front of president.
A former President Trump's announcement
that they were going to get criticized
any which way.
And I think
they just think they did it
when, you know, when they felt like
it was the right time to do it.
So Trump says he won't partake
in the special counsel investigation.
How do you think Jack
Smith is going to interpret
that statement?
Do you think it matters to him
in any way?
I think he's the kind of guy
who's just not going to pay
any attention to that.
And I certainly can't
imagine what Trump is going to do
when, you know, if
and when he gets to the point
where he has he's arraigned
and he has plead
in front of a federal judge,
he's not going to be able to say,
I don't partake.
It just isn't in the criminal rules.
Yeah.
I don't think that's
one of the options you have
when you're standing there.
If it comes to that point. George Conway.
Great to see you tonight.
Thank you very much.