PRESIDENT’S SCHEME TO GET >>> CONGRESSMAN DEVIN NUNES, A
TOP REPUBLICANEN THE HOUSE INTEL
COMMITTEE HAS BEEN KIND OF CHIEF
CONSPIRACY THEORIST DURING THE
IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY USING THE
OFFICIAL POSITION OF HIS SPOT ON
THE MICROPHONE TO ADVANCE THE
VERY CONSPIRACY THEORIES
PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS ASKING
UKRAINE’S PRESIDENT ZELENSKY TO
PURSUE AS WELL AS MANUFACTURE
DIRT ON THE BIDENS.
AND NOW THERE’S THIS WEIRD NEW
DEVELOPMENT FROM GIULIANI’S
INDICTED ASSOCIATE LEV PARNAS
WHO WAS SAYING THAT HE HELPED
NUNES SETUP MEETINGS TO PURSUE
THOSE VERY SAME CONSPIRACY
THEORIES.
THEORIES. NUNES WHO HAS LITERALLY SUED A
COW ON TWITTER HAS MADE
REFERENCES WHICH WOULD BE HIS GO
TO MOVE BUT AS ASSERTED BY ONE
OF PARNAS’ ATTORNEYS NUNES NEVER
DIRECTLY ANSWERED THOUGH HE
CALLED THE STORY DEMONSTRATIVELY
FALSE.
FALSE. >> BOTTOM LINE WERE YOU IN
VIENNA WITH SHULKIN?
>> YES.
>> YES. AND I REALLY WANT TO ANSWER ALL
THESE QUESTIONS AND I PROMISE I
ABSOLUTELY WILL COME BACK ON THE
SHOW AND ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS.
SO NONE OF THIS IS TRUE.
THAT’S WHAT I’VE SAID MY
STATEMENT IS.
STATEMENT IS. WE’LL GET TO ALL THE FACTS.
>> TODAY NEW YORK UNIVERSITY LAW
PROFESSOR RYAN GOODMAN CO-EDITOR
IN CHIEF PUT TOGETHER A
COMPREHENSIVE TIME LINE OF NUNES
AND UKRAINE DISINFORMATION
EFFORTS, AND HE JOINS ME NOW.
SO I GUESS BROADEST VIEW, RIGHT,
WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT WHAT ROLE
NUNES HAS PLAYED IN ESSENTIALLY
SORT OF FURTHERING RESEARCHING,
FOMENTING THE SORT OF MAIN STORY
LINES THAT ARE THE SUBJECT OF
THE IMPEACHMENT HEARING IN THAT
PHONE CALL WITH ZELENSKY, THERE
WAS AN UKRAINIAN EFFORT
ESSENTIALLY TO HACK THE DNC
SERVER AND FRAME RUSSIA AND
THERE’S SOME DEEP CORRUPTION
VISA VI THE BIDENS.
>> THE ALLEGATION SEEMS TO BE
THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT NUNES TRIED
TO DO FROM LATE NOVEMBER 2018 TO
AT LEAST LATE MARCH 2019 WHICH
WAS TO TRY TO GET DIRT ON JOE
BIDEN AND TO TRY TO GET THIS
CORRUPT FORMER PROSECUTOR IN
UKRAINE SHULKIN TO ALSO GIVE
INFORMATION ABOUT UKRAINIAN
INTERFERENCE IN THE 2016
ELECTION.
ELECTION. SO THE VERY MATTERS THAT ARE THE
HEART OF THE IMPEACHMENT
INQUIRY.
INQUIRY. NOT NECESSARILY THE QUID PRO QUO
OR PRESSURING THE UKRAINIAN
GOVERNMENT BUT STILL SEARCHING
FOR MANUFACTURING THIS DIRT.
>> THERE’S TWO THINGS.
ONE YOU’VE GOT THIS SORT OF
DISGRUNTLED EX-UKRAINIAN
DISGRUNTLED EX-UKRAINIAN PROSECUTORS SELLING THE STORY TO
RUDY GIULIANI OR RIGHT WING
MEDIA OR PERSONAL INTEREST I
THINK IT’S FAIR TO SAY AND
THERE’S QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER
NUNES WAS DIRECTLY INTERFACING
WITH THEM AS PART OF HIS OWN
GATHERING OF INFORMATION.
>> THAT’S RIGHT.
SO IT WOULD BE EXCLUSIVE ENOUGH
IF ALL WE WERE LEFT WITH WAS THE
FIRST REPORT FROM THE DAILY
BEAST THAT NUNES WAS
COORDINATING WITH LEV PARNAS
WHO’S OF COURSE GIULIANI’S
ASSOCIATE WHO’S INDICTED.
AND THIS ASSOCIATE, LEV PARNAS
IS SAYING HE’S WANTING TO
TESTIFY UNDER OATH WITH CONGRESS
AND HE HAS RECORDINGS, AUDIO AND
OTHERWISE AND DOCUMENTS THAT
WOULD PROVE HE WAS DOING ALL
THIS, ONE, SPEAKING WITH NUNES
DIRECTLY, SPEAKING WITH NUNES’
TOP AID DEREK HARVEY, AND THERE
WAS OTHER PIECE THAT CAME OUT
OVER THE WEEKEND BY CNN AND
BACKED UP BY "THE WASHINGTON
POST" THAT NUNES HAS HIS TOP AID
MEETING PRIVATELY WITH THIS
GROUP, THIS KIND OF CABAL WITH
GIULIANI, PARNAS, FRUMAN, JOHN
SOLOMON THE OPINION COLUMNIST AT
THE HILL PROMULGATING THIS
DISINFORMATION.
DISINFORMATION. AND ONE THING REMARKABLE IS THAT
JOHN SOLOMON CONFIRMS THE
MEETINGS WHICH IS SOMETHING YOU
WOULDN’T HAVE THOUGHT HE WOULD
HAVE DONE --
>> SOLOMON HAS NOW CONFIRMED
THAT THE MEETINGS EXISTED.
>> CNN IN THEIR INITIAL REPORT
SAYS JOHN SOLOMON IS ONE OF
THESE PEOPLE THAT PRIVATELY MEET
REGULARLY, MULTIPLE TIMES A WEEK
AT THIS PRIVATE ROOM AT TRUMP
INTERNATIONAL HOTEL IN
WASHINGTON.
WASHINGTON. AND THEN THERE’S THIS LINE JOHN
SOLOMON SAYS HE CONFIRMED THE
MEETINGS, BUT HE SAID IT WASN’T
A TEAM BECAUSE IT FORMED MORE
ORGANICALLY THAN THAT.
THAT’S INCREDIBLE BECAUSE THAT
REALLY IS THE DISINFORMATION
EFFORT THAT’S UNDER WAY, THAT’S
BEEN UNDER WAY THIS WHOLE TIME
THAT GEORGE KENT TESTIFIED IT
WAS JUST A BUNCH OF LIES, IT WAS
TRYING TO OUST THE U.S.
AMBASSADOR AND WAS TRYING TO
PROMULGATE THESE IDEAS ABOUT
DIRT, I DON’T WANT TO SAY FIND
DIRT BUT ACTUALLY TO MANUFACTURE
DIRT.
DIRT. >> SO BASICALLY YOU HAVE NUNES
UP THERE SORT OF DOING THIS,
PROMULGATING IT FROM THE
MICROPHONE, BUT IT ALSO APPEARS
THERE’S SOME REPORTING AND
ALLEGATIONS HE’S INTIMATELY
INVOLVED WITH THE WHOLE CREW TO
SPREAD THIS DISINFORMATION THAT
THE PRESIDENT WANTS WITH
ZELENSKY ON THE PHONE CALL.
>> IT’S MUCH WORSE AND GIVEN
WE’VE GONE THROUGH TWO WEEKS OF
PUBLIC HEARINGS AND NOT A PEEP
FROM NUNES HE’S ACTUALLY
IMPLICATED --
IMPLICATED -- >> THAT TO ME IS THE CRAZY
THING.
THING. I FEEL A MEMBER OF CONGRESS CAN
TRAVEL WHERE HE WANTS TO TRAVEL
AND TALKS TO A MEMBER OF
CONGRESS.
CONGRESS. IF HE WANTS TO TALK TO VIKTOR
SHULKIN, HE CAN TALK TO VIKTOR
SHULKIN.
SHULKIN. HE’S A MEMBER OF CONGRESS.
HAKE DO THAT.
IT’S CRAZY THAT STUFF HAPPENS
AND HE DOESN’T SAY A THING ABOUT
IT WHILE HE’S SITTING IN THE
IMPEACHMENT HEARING.
IMPEACHMENT HEARING. THERE’S ALL THIS INFORMATION,
WHERE IT’S COMING FROM AND
HERE’S THIS GUY AND THAT GUY AND
THIS.
THIS. AND HE’S JUST SITTING UP THERE
BEING LIKE OH, YEAH I MET WITH
ALL THOSE PEOPLE.
>> AND HE ACTUALLY ENTERS INTO
THE CONGRESSIONAL RECORD ONE OF
JOHN HEILEMANN’S ARTICLES.
IT’S A REMARKABLE THING.
AND JUST ANOTHER PIECE OF IT
LIKE YOU SAID HE COULD DO THIS
POTENTIALLY OUT IN THE OPEN, BUT
HE IN FACT APPARENTLY ACCORDING
TO LEV PARNAS TAKES THE TRIP IN
DECEMBER 2018 BECAUSE THEN HE
WOULDN’T HAVE TO REPORT THE
DETAILS OF IT IF IT WERE AFTER
THE NEW CONGRESS WERE IN POWER
BECAUSE THEN HIS CHAIR PERSON
WOULD BE ADAM SCHIFF.
AND THERE IS IN FACT IN THE
CONGRESSIONAL RECORDS NUNES AND
HIS TEAM WITH DEREK HARVEY GOING
TO VIENNA LATE NOVEMBER TO
DECEMBER 3rd, 2018.
TO EUROPE, BUT THEY WON’T SAY
WHERE HE WENT TO, THAT’S WHY HE
WON’T SAY ON FOX NEWS WERE YOU
ACTUALLY IN VIENNA, DID YOU MEET