>> For analysis on climate
policy and the latest indictment
of former president trump, we
turn to our guests.
Good to see you both.
I want to revisit that report.
A number really stuck out to me.
When Americans are asked about
whether climate change is a
major threat, about 56% say yes.
But when you break it down on
partisan lines, only 28% of
Republicans think that.
33% don't believe it is a threat
at all.
There is a little bit of chicken
and egg argument here.
People don't think it is a
threat.
If they talked about it more,
with people think it is a
threat?
>> I think so.
John McCain supported a big
climate change deal.
Everything is more polarized.
Republicans are more
manufactured than they used to
be.
It has become a sign of
political machismo that if
polite opinion says a, then we
say Z.
As a way to offend the elites.
Three quarters of Americans
support global climate change
treaties.
60 spent -- 66% prefer subsidies
for wind and solar.
They are going against large
majorities.
>> This is grounded in science
and data.
One might responses that it is
better to be effective and to be
right.
Can anyone find an effective way
to convey that message?
>> I don't know.
They are so worried about
looking like that that they
won't do things that are
affecting their own
constituents.
We have seen spectacular stories
the ocean off of Florida is
above 100 degrees.
The wildfires that are turning
cities Orange because of the
smoke.
Not to mention the wildfires
morning -- burning in Europe.
Their own constituents are
living through it right now.
>> We know the legal issues are
a big issue.
He was indicted again on federal
charges.
I think that was a turning
point.
He has gotten stronger and
stronger.
He is stronger right now against
Joe Biden and he was at any
point.
His numbers have risen.
This current indictment goes to
the core threat.
Donald Trump does a lot of bad
stuff.
But the threat to democracy is
the core.
This rises organically from all
the other indictments that have
been brought against the other
January 6 people.
It is the same sort of charges.
Very conventional.
>> I agree.
This indictment is one that is
easy to understand.
The American people watched all
these things happen in real
time.
Read the stories.
They have seen the news
accounts.
They will be able to follow
this.
>> In terms of how it plays in
the Republican field, there is
only a minority of candidates
who are saying you should not be
running.
Many say this is a political
witchhunt.
His biggest your said he will
not give him any more money.
>> Where is this guy been?
He is doing that thing.
He has chosen his strategy.
It is not working.
These indictments fit into a
story.
>> Is that a message that helps
his rivals in the primaries?
>> No.
Ron Desantis is not going to
beat Donald Trump.
You cannot think you're going to
get the nomination.
They find what he has done in
Florida to be objectionable.
>> We talk about the impact on
the election.
But also the impact of the
language.
Americans were asked about their
overall confidence in the FBI.
It is now at an all-time low.
For Democrats it has gone up.
Among Republicans, it has tanked
24 points.
When you look at that, does that
number were you?
>> The most important statistic
in my life covering this has
been this loss of trust in
government.
It is phenomenally low.
Imagine walking around
Washington and looking at these
glorious and inspiring buildings
and thinking they are full of
monsters.
It is all a fraud.
I cannot imagine that mindset.
But it is one that many people
have.
Because of things that have
happened over the last decades.
It probably is justified.
>> It is also the result of
people who know better not
acting better and thus better.
Knowing full well that what is
being said about the FBI and
government and innocent people
is wrong.
And not standing up to it and
saying that it is not true.
You should not do that.
Standing up as leaders in the
Republican party and leaders of
this country and saying, this is
not right.
This is not who we are.
If someone with the moral
courage to do that had done
that, I think we would be in a
much stronger position.
>> I know some people in the
FBI.
They are not left wing
pointy-headed intellectuals.
They are tough, smart Americans.
>> Do you see that happening?
>> No.
>> Always good to see you guys.
Thank you so much.
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