OF "THE BEAT" FROM WASHINGTON, D.C., WE BEGIN WITH
BREAKING NEWS TONIGHT.
DONALD TRUMP’S OWN CRIMINAL
DEFENSE LAWYER PERSONALLY WARNED
THE EMBATTLED PRESIDENT THAT HE
COULD WOOINDIND UP IN PRISON WEA
AN ORANGE JUMP SUIT.
THIS IS NOT NORMAL.
THIS IS A FIRST.
SO LET ME REPEAT THE NEWS THAT
IS ACTUALLY ROCKING WASHINGTON
RIGHT NOW, EVEN AMIDST A LOT OF
OTHER NEWS REGARDING, OF COURSE,
THE SUPREME COURT CONFIRMATION
HEARINGS AND A NEW SENATOR NAMED
TO REPLACE JOHN McCAIN.
BUT THE BIG NEWS HERE IS DONALD
TRUMP’S FORMER CRIMINAL LAWYER
JOHN DOWD, WHO PUBLICLY SPLIT
WITH THE PRESIDENT OVER THEIR
STRATEGY WARNING DONALD TRUMP
THAT HE COULD END UP IN PRISON.
AND CONCLUDING THAT TRUMP WAS
LYING IN THEIR OWN PREPARATIONS
FOR A POTENTIAL MUELLER
INTERVIEW.
INTERVIEW. THIS OBVIOUSLY RAISES A TON OF
QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW, LIKE WHY
LIE TO YOUR OWN LAWYER IN SECRET
PREP SESSIONS ABOUT RUSSIA AND
OBSTRUCTION?
OBSTRUCTION? AND WHAT ELSE DID DONALD TRUMP’S
LAWYER SEE THAT BROUGHT HIM TO
SUCH A STARK AND DISTURBING
CONCLUSION?
CONCLUSION? AND WHAT ON EARTH DO MR. DOWD
AND THE WHITE HOUSE HAVE TO SAY
ABOUT ALL OF THIS RIGHT NOW,
THIS EVENING?
THIS EVENING? WELL, WE HAVE SOME OF THE
ANSWERS FOR YOU.
THIS REPORT IS NOT FROM A SINGLE
ARTICLE OR A FEW BLIND QUOTES.
IT’S A BIG DEAL BECAUSE IT’S
FROM THE "WASHINGTON POST"
JOURNALIST KNOWN FOR HELPING
BRING DOWN ANOTHER PRESIDENT BOB
WOODWARD WHO REPORTED WATERGATE.
FOR THIS BOOK HE CONDUCTED
HUNDREDS OF INTERVIEWS AND HE
EVEN RELEASED AUDIO OF HIS OWN
PERSONAL PHONE CALL WITH TRUMP.
THE BOOK FEATURES TRUMP’S AIDES
HIDING PAPERS FROM THE
PRESIDENT, INSULTING HIS
INTELLIGENCE, AND DONALD TRUMP
RESCUING OVER THE RUSSIA PROBE,
ALL THIS DETAILED PIECEMEAL IN A
RELEASE THROUGH A "WASHINGTON
POST" ARTICLE.
POST" ARTICLE. IT REPORTS FOR THE VERY FIRST
TIME THAT DONALD TRUMP’S
CRIMINAL DEFENSE TEAM TRIED TO
PREP HIM FOR A POTENTIAL MUELLER
INTERVIEW AND THEY WERE HOLDING
THESE PREP SESSIONS THROUGH A
PRACTICE INTERVIEW, A SORT OF
DRAFT MUELLER INTERVIEW BACK IN
JANUARY.
JANUARY. AND THAT’S WHERE TRUMP LAWYER
JOHN DOWD PEPPERED TRUMP WITH
QUESTIONS PROVOKING STUMBLES,
CONTRADICTIONS AND LIES.
HE LOST HIS COOL AND IT LED TO A
30-MINUTE RANT, TRUMP TELLING
HIS OWN LAWYERS QUOTE, I DON’T
REALLY WANT TO TESTIFY BEFORE
MUELLER.
MUELLER. THAT, OF COURSE, CONTRADICTS
DONALD TRUMP’S PUBLIC CLAIMS
THAT HE DOES WANT TO TESTIFY.
THEN THERE’S THIS, WOODWARD
REPORTING THAT DOWD THEN WOULD
TELL MUELLER ABOUT THAT VERY
PRACTICE SESSION.
PRACTICE SESSION. EVEN REENACTING PART OF IT IN A
KIND OF EFFORT TO SHOW ON THEIR
PART THAT TRUMP WAS SOMEHOW HIS
OWN WORST ENEMY AND IT DIDN’T
MAKE SENSE FOR DOWD TO LET THE
PRESIDENT TALK TO MUELLER.
HERE’S THAT PASSAGE.
QUOTE, I’M NOT GOING TO SIT
THERE AND LET HIM LOOK LIKE AN
IDIOT, DOWD REPORTEDLY TOLD
MUELLER, AND YOU PUBLISH THAT
TRANSCRIPT BECAUSE EVERYTHING
LEAKS IN WASHINGTON, AND GUYS
OVERSEAS WILL SAY I TOLD YOU HE
WAS AN IDIOT, WHAT ARE WE
DEALING WITH THIS IDIOT FOR?
MUELLER REPORTEDLY REPLYING I
UNDERSTAND.
UNDERSTAND. THAT IS A RARE PEEK INSIDE THE
HIGHEST LEVELS OF NEGOTIATIONS
IN THE MUELLER PROBE.
THE MEETINGS MUELLER ATTENDS
PERSONALLY.
PERSONALLY. WOODWARD IS STAKING HIS
REPUTATION ON GETTING THESE
REPORTED DETAILS RIGHT.
NOW, DOWD AND THE WHITE HOUSE
ARE STRONGLY DENYING THESE
REPORTS.
REPORTS. WE’LL GET INTO THAT.
LET’S GET INTO THE PRISON
WARNING THOUGH BECAUSE WOODWARD
REPORTS THAT BY MARCH, DOWD WAS
TRYING TO FIND ANY WAY TO GET
THROUGH TO DONALD TRUMP ABOUT
WHAT HE SAW THROUGH HIS LEGAL
JUDGMENT AS VERY REAL RISKS OF
CRIMINAL EXPOSURE.
CRIMINAL EXPOSURE. AND YES, EVEN A PRESIDENT CAN
FACE LEGAL RISK.
SO HE REPORTEDLY URGED TRUMP,
QUOTE, DON’T TESTIFY.
IT’S EITHER THAT OR AN ORANGE
JUMP SUIT.
JUMP SUIT. TRUMP REPORTEDLY RESPONDING,
I’LL BE A REAL GOOD WITNESS.
AND DOWD RESPONDED TO THAT,
"YOU’RE NOT A GOOD WITNESS, MR.
PRESIDENT, I’M AFRAID I JUST
CAN’T HELP YOU."
NOW, DOWD MAY DENY THE WORDS IN
THIS ACCOUNT BUT IT’S AN
UNDISPUTED FACT HE THEN LEFT THE
WHITE HOUSE THE NEXT DAY.
NOW TRUMP’S AIDES SAY THIS
ENTIRE BOOK CONSISTS OF, QUOTE,
FABRICATED STORIES.
FABRICATED STORIES. LET’S BE CLEAR AS WE GET INTO
THE RAMIFICATIONS OF THIS VERY,
VERY BIG REPORT.
THE FAKE NEWS CARD IS NOT GOING
TO CUT A LOT OF ICE AGAINST BOB
WOODWARD WHO’S RORRED ON
PRESIDENTS FROM BOTH PRESIDENTS
HIS WHOLE YEAR.
JOURNALISTS HAVE BEEN MARVELING
AT WOODWARD’S REPORTING AND
BACKING HIM UP.
WOODWARD IS "STRAIGHT AND NEVER
MAKES UP QUOTES."
FOX NEWS IS TREATING THE BOOK AS
TRUE, NOTING IT DEPICTS A
DYSFUNCTIONAL WHITE HOUSE.
WOODWARD HAS HIS OWN RECEIPTS
SHOWING HIS HIGH-LEVEL CONTACTS
WITH TRUMP AIDES.
THEY HAD A LONG PHONE CALL ABOUT
THAT.
THAT. WOODWARD REITERATED HIS
REPORTING IS FROM FIRSTHAND
SOURCES.
SOURCES. >> AND I THINK THERE’S NOTHING
IN THIS BOOK THAT DOESN’T COME
FROM A FIRSTHAND SOURCE.
IS THAT CORRECT, EVELYN?
>> ARE YOU NAMING NAMES OR DO
YOU JUST SAY SOURCES?
>> WELL, NAMES, REAL INCIDENTS.
>> NO, BUT DO YOU NAME SOURCES?
I MEAN, ARE YOU NAMING THE
PEOPLE OR JUST SAY, YOU KNOW,
PEOPLE HAVE SAID?
>> I SAY AT 2:00 ON THIS DAY THE
FOLLOWING HAPPENED AND EVERYONE
WHO’S THERE, INCLUDING YOURSELF,
IS QUOTED.
IS QUOTED. AND I’M SORRY I DIDN’T GET TO
ASK YOU ABOUT THESE.
>> NOW, FINALLY, PERHAPS NO
INSIDE TRUMP ACCOUNT WOULD BE
COMPLETE WITHOUT SOME BABY TALK.
THE PRESIDENT IS NOTORIOUSLY
PRICKLY ABOUT BEING CALLED OR
CONSIDERED A BABY.
BUT HE DOES PROJECT THAT
INSECURITY BY USING THAT ATTACK
ON OTHERS.
ON OTHERS. IN A COPY OF THIS BOOK REVIEWED
BY CNN TRUMP CALLED GIULIANI A
BABY.
BABY. AROUND THE TIME GIULIANI WAS
TRYING TO DEFEND TRUMP IN THE
"ACCESS HOLLYWOOD" TAPE FIASCO.
RUDY, YOU’RE A BABY, I’VE NEVER
SEEN A WORSE DEFENSE OF ME IN
YOUR LIFE.
YOUR LIFE. THEY TOOK YOUR DIAPER OFF RIGHT
THERE.
THERE. YOU’RE LIKE A LITTLE BABY THAT
NEEDED TO BE CHANGED.
WHEN THE PRESIDENT ASKS RUDY
GIULIANI, ARE YOU GOING TO BE A
MAN?
MAN? I AM JOINED FOR OUR SPECIAL
WASHINGTON EDITION BY GEORGE
WILL, A CONSERVATIVE COLUMNIST
FOR THE "WASHINGTON POST," AND
DR. BERTRAND WHO HAS COVERED
THIS PRESIDENCY FOR THE
ATLANTIC, AND JOHN FLANNERY AT
THE TABLE.
THE TABLE. JOHN, UHI BEGIN WITH YOU, BEFORE
WE GET TO THE BABY TALK, LET’S
BEGIN WITH THE PROSECUTOR TALK.
WHAT DO YOU SEE AS LEGALLY
SIGNIFICANT IN THIS ACCOUNT?
>> WELL, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF
THINGS THAT SEEM TO ME
SIGNIFICANT.
SIGNIFICANT. THE FAILURE OF THE DEFENSE
ATTORNEYS OF THE PRESIDENT GOING
TO MUELLER AND SAYING OUR CLIENT
IS A LIAR AND WE CAN’T HAVE HIM
TESTIFY AND HE CAN’T TAKE THE
FIFTH.
FIFTH. THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT MEETING
THAT’S IMPRESSIVE TO ME IS THE
STATEMENT BY MUELLER SAYING I
WANT TO KNOW HIS INTENT ON THE
FIRING OF COMEY.
AND THAT FITS INTO EVERYTHING
WE’VE HEARD FROM THE BEGINNING
UNTIL NOW ABOUT THE CORRUPT
CONDUCT OF MR. TRUMP TRYING TO
OBSTRUCT THE INVESTIGATION AND
THE HYDROHEADED WAYS HE HAS.
>> BUT DOES IT ALSO GO TO A RARE
PEEK OF HOW MUELLER OPERATES
THAT IF BOB MUELLER WAS
CONVINCED ON FACTS THAT THIS WAS
A NORMAL FIRING WITH NORMAL,
LEGITIMATE INTENT, THEN HE WOULD
BE OKAY WITH IT?
>> I THINK THAT MUELLER IS THE
KIND OF MAN, I KNEW HIM FROM ON
THE HILL, NOT FROM A CRIMINAL
MATTER, BUT A MATTER IN
CALIFORNIA WHEN HE WAS THE U.S.
ATTORNEY THERE, AND HE’S A BY
THE BOOK GUY, BY THE FACTS AND I
DON’T THINK YOU COULD FIND A
BIAS IN THE MAN EXCEPT TO GET TO
THE TRUTH.
THE TRUTH. AND I THINK THAT’S HOW HE
OPERATES.
OPERATES. BUT I DO THINK HE’S HAD A LOT OF
THINGS THAT HAVE DISTURBED HIM
AND HE WOULDN’T TELL A DEFENSE
ATTORNEY I’M CONCERNED ABOUT THE
INTENT OF THE PRESIDENT WHEN HE
FIRED COMEY.
FIRED COMEY. AND I THINK THAT THAT IS
PIVOTAL, AND IT DRIVES HIM
TOWARD EVERYTHING ELSE BECAUSE
IF THE PRESIDENT IS FIRING COMEY
TO KILL THE INVESTIGATION, THEN
IT’S CONSCIOUSNESS OF GUILT.
HE HAS TO BE DOING IT FOR A
REASON.
REASON. THAT IS THAT THERE WAS A
CONSPIRACY.
CONSPIRACY. NOT A COLLUSION.
THERE WAS A CONSPIRACY IN THE
CAMPAIGN TO USE MATERIAL THAT HE
KNEW WAS STOLEN, THAT WAS ITSELF
A VIOLATION OF THE CRIMINAL LAW,
IN EXCHANGE FOR WHAT?
TO HELP A FOREIGN NATION WITH
SANCTIONS THAT WERE RIGHTLY
JUSTIFIED, AND TO REMOVE THEM AS
PART OF HIS DEAL.
AND WHOEVER -- WHATEVER ELSE
THERE IS.
THERE IS. AND THIS IS THE -- YOU KNOW,
ONLY WHAT WE’VE SEEN PUBLICLY.
WE’VE SEEN FROM THE FIRST TWO
INDICTMENTS THAT TALKED ABOUT
HOW THEY SET UP THE RUSSIAN
INVOLVEMENT, THE -- ALL THE
PUBLICITY THAT WOULD HELP TRUMP.
AND THE THIRD INDICTMENT, IF IT
COMES, ANYTIME SOON, I THINK IT
WILL BE THE CONSPIRACY, THE
UNDERLYING CONSPIRACY.
UNDERLYING CONSPIRACY. BUT THIS IS A VERY DISTURBING
STATEMENT THAT WE HAVE A
PRESIDENT THAT CAN’T TELL THE
TRUTH, AND HIS LAWYER TELLS HIM
HE CAN’T TELL THE TRUTH, AND
HE’S CAUGHT IN THIS IMPOSSIBLE
SHAKESPEAREAN DILEMMA OF HOW DO
I PRESERVE MYSELF AS A PRESIDENT
WHO HAS TO SPEAK WITHOUT
COMPROMISING MY ABILITY TO AVOID
THIS INVESTIGATION?
THIS INVESTIGATION? AND HE’S ANSWERED IT.
HE’S GOING TO DESTROY THE
INVESTIGATION.
INVESTIGATION. HE’S NOT GOING TO DO IT IN THE
MIDTERMS.
MIDTERMS. HE’S GOING TO DO IT WHEN THE
MIDTERMS ARE OVER.
>> THERE ARE NOT MANY PEOPLE WHO
SIT AT THESE TABLES OR GO DOWN
TO THE BUILDING BEHIND ME AND
HAVE THE EXPERIENCE OF BOB
WOODWARD, I THINK IT’S FAIR TO
SAY, GEORGE WILL, YOU DO, HAVING
COVERED AND WRITTEN ABOUT SO
MANY PRESIDENTS AND THOUGHT
THROUGH WHAT IT MEANS WHEN A
WHITE HOUSE IS, IF ONE BELIEVES
BOB WOODWARD’S REPORTING,
LEAKING LIKE THIS, AND ALMOST A
CRY FOR HELP.
GIVE US THE CONTEXT AS YOU SEE
THESE NEW REPORTS.
>> BOB’S CHALLENGE, AND I THINK
HE’S MET IT, IS TO TELL US
SOMETHING WE DIDN’T ALREADY KNOW
BECAUSE MR. TRUMP IS, HIMSELF,
AN OPEN BOOK WHO’S BEEN READING
HIMSELF TO THE COUNTRY FOR 30
SOME YEARS NOW.
WHAT I THINK IS MOST INTERESTING
IS THAT MR. TRUMP SAID WERE
THERE NAMES ASSOCIATED WITH
THESE QUOTES?
THESE QUOTES? YOU DON’T HAVE TO BE A REAL
VETERAN WASHINGTONIAN TO READ
BETWEEN THE LINES.
FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN LINDSEY GRAHAM
TELLS BOB WOODWARD ABOUT A QUOTE
OF OBAMA -- OR TRUMP INSULTING
OBAMA, WE CAN PRETTY MUCH ASSUME
HE GOT IT FROM LINDSEY GRAHAM.
SO ANOTHER FRIENDSHIP OUT.
IT’S NOT, TO ME, WHAT MR.
TRUMP’S EMPLOYEES SAY ABOUT HIM.
WE KNOW THEY’VE INSULTED HIM
REPEATEDLY.
REPEATEDLY. IT’S WHAT HE SAYS ABOUT HIS
EMPLOYEES.
EMPLOYEES. WHEN HE SAYS TO ROSS, SECRETARY
OF COMMERCE, WHO’S IN CHARGE OF
ALL THESE TRADE NEGOTIATIONS,
YOU’RE AWFUL, YOU’RE PAST YOUR
PRIME.
PRIME. WHEN HE SAYS TO SESSIONS THAT
HE’S RETARDED AND A DUMB
SOUTHERNER.
SOUTHERNER. I’M MARRIED WHAT SOUTHERNER.
THEY TAKE THAT STUFF SERIOUSLY.
THAT’S HIS BASE DOWN THERE.
>> AND YOU’RE QUOTING THE
PRESIDENT’S LANGUAGE?
PRESIDENT’S LANGUAGE? >> CORRECT.
>> CORRECT. SO IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WHEN YOU
HAVE A WHITE HOUSE THAT IS SO
FULL OF HOB STATE OF NATURE,
WHERE LIFE IS SOLITARY, POOR,
NASTY, BRUTISH AND SHORT WHERE
NO ONE TRUSTS ANYONE, THERE’S NO
LOYALTY, THERE’S NO AFFECTION,
AND TO HAVE A WHITE HOUSE FULL
OF THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE WALKING
ON EGG SHELLS, TIPTOEING THROUGH
A MINE FIELD, PICK YOUR
METAPHOR, IT’S A PLACE WHERE NO
ONE CAN FALL BACK ON ANYTHING.
NO ONE CAN RELAX.
AND TO IMAGINE WHAT IT’S LIKE IN
THAT ATMOSPHERE.
THAT ATMOSPHERE. WELL, IT’S HARD TO IMAGINE IT.
>> AND THAT COMES WITH THE TEST
OF THIS INVESTIGATION.
BUT NOT A TRUE FOREIGN POLICY
CRISIS, NOT A REAL DECISION
POINT WHERE YOU SAY HOW DOES
THAT ENVIRONMENT, THIS
PRESIDENT, DEAL WITH SOMETHING
WHERE THERE COULD BE MASSIVE
REPERCUSSIONS ON THE LINE?
THAT’S WHY THE PRESIDENCY IS
DIFFERENT THAN ABOUT EVERY OTHER
JOB IN THIS TOWN.
I COUNT SHAKESPEARE AND HOBBS.
LET ME PLAY FOR YOU WHILE YOU
GATHER YOUR THOUGHTS, JOHN DOWD,
SOMEONE YOU’VE REPORTED ON A
LOT.
LOT. HIS GLOSS ON ALL THIS, A CLIP
FROM BEFORE THESE BOMBSHELL
REPORTS CAME OUT.
TAKE A LOOK.
>> DO YOU BELIEVE THE PRESIDENT
WILL EVENTUALLY SIT DOWN WITH
BOB MUELLER BASED ON YOUR
EXPERIENCE WITH HIM, WANTING TO
ENGAGE WITH COUNSEL?
>> WELL, THERE’S NO -- THERE’S
NO REASON FOR THE PRESIDENT TO
ANSWER QUESTIONS FROM MUELLER.
MUELLER HAS ALL THE ANSWERS.
WE GAVE HIM ALL THE ANSWERS.
>> MUELLER HAS ALL THE ANSWERS
FROM THE MYRIAD OF WITNESSES
HE’S BEEN INTERVIEWING AROUND
THE PRESIDENT.
THE PRESIDENT. I MEAN, JUST LOOK AT THE LIST,
IT’S GEORGE PAPADOPOULOS,
MICHAEL FLYNN, DON McGAHN, PAUL
MANAFORT, RICK GATES.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT THIS IS
REALLY THE ROOT OF THE FEAR THAT
THEY HAVE IN ALLOWING THE
PRESIDENT TO SIT DOWN WITH
MUELLER.
MUELLER. IT’S NOT JUST BECAUSE HE HAS A
LOOSE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE
TRUTH, TO PUT IT GENEROUSLY, BUT
IT’S ALSO JUST BECAUSE THERE ARE
SO MANY -- THERE ARE SO MANY
THINGS HE’S PROBABLY GOING TO
CONTRADICT ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE’S
TESTIMONIES THEY’VE ALREADY TOLD
THE SPECIAL COUNSEL.
BUT I THINK THAT ONE OF THE MOST
TELLING THINGS ABOUT THIS BOOK
IS THE FACT THAT TRUMP WAS NOT
ONLY -- HE WAS LYING TO HIS
LAWYERS.
LAWYERS. I MEAN, WHY WOULD YOU LIE TO
YOUR OWN LAWYERS IF YOU REALLY
FEEL LIKE YOU DON’T HAVE
ANYTHING TO HIDE?
AND PART OF TRUMP’S M.O. FOR THE
LAST COUPLE DECADES OF BEING IN
THE REAL ESTATE BUSINESS IS HE’S
ALWAYS THOUGHT HE’S BEEN ABLE TO
TALK HIS WAY OUT OF ANYTHING,
THAT HE CAN JUST GET INTO A
ROOM, HE CAN NEGOTIATE WITH
SOMEONE, HE CAN CONVINCE THEM
THAT HE’S DONE NOTHING WRONG AND
THAT HE HIMSELF IS THE VICTIM.
AND I THINK THAT IS ALSO PART OF
WHAT’S FUELING THIS KIND OF
PARANOIA IN THE WHITE HOUSE IS
THAT PEOPLE ARE GENERALLY AFRAID
THAT TRUMP IS GOING TO THROW
THEM UNDER THE BUS BECAUSE HE’S
DONE IT SO MUCH IN THE PAST.
IN DEPOSITIONS HE’S BLAMED OTHER
PEOPLE FOR THINGS HE HIMSELF IS
BEING ACCUSED OF.
PEOPLE ARE TRYING THE GET OUT
AHEAD OF THIS.
AND JUST BASED ON THAT EXCHANGE
HE HAD WITH RUDY GIULIANI
CALLING HIM A BABY EVEN WHEN
RUDY GIULIANI WAS THE ONLY ONE
DEFENDING HIM THAT WEEKEND WHEN
THE "ACCESS HOLLYWOOD" TAPE
DROPPED, LOYALTY IS ONLY ONE WAY
FOR THE PRESIDENT.
>> IT’S UNFAIR AND AN INACCURATE
ATTACK BECAUSE BABIES CAN’T DO
TELEVISION INTERVIEWS.
TELEVISION INTERVIEWS. WE’VE NEVER HAD A BABY ON THIS
SHOW BECAUSE THEY DON’T SPEAK,
JOHN.
JOHN. IF THEY DON’T SPEAK, THEY’RE NOT
GOOD FOR INTERVIEWS.
WHAT ABOUT THE QUESTION NATASHA
RAISES, SUCH AN INTRIGUING
QUESTION, I SAW YOU VIGOROUSLY
NODDING YOUR HEAD AS YOU ARE
KNOWN TO DO ON THIS SET FROM
TIME TO TIME, NATASHA RAISES AN
INTELLIGENT, INTERESTING
INTELLIGENT, INTERESTING QUESTION.
QUESTION. WHY WOULD YOU LIE TO YOUR OWN
LAWYER?
LAWYER? >> HE RESENTS THE DEPENDENCE.
THE SAME THING GOES ON WITH THE
BABY THING AND THEN HE GOES OFF
AND HE GIVES HIS INTENT.
HE GOES OFF AND HE SAYS IN AN
INTERVIEW THAT, YES, I FIRED HIM
BECAUSE OF THE INVESTIGATION.
HE MAKES THE -- HE GIVES HIS
INTENT IN A PUBLIC PROCEEDING
UNDER TAPE.
UNDER TAPE. AND YOU MIGHT ASK WHY.
AND THERE ARE THE COMPARISON TO
SHAKESPEARE.
SHAKESPEARE. SHAKESPEARE HAS THIS QUOTE,
GUILT SPILLS ITSELF FOR FEAR OF
BEING SPILT.
BEING SPILT. HE CAN’T KEEP IT TO HIMSELF.
HE HAS TO SAY IT.
HE KNOWS EVERYBODY KNOWS IT, OR
HE FEARS HE DOES.
WE TALKED ABOUT THE PAR KNOWIA
PARANOIA.
PARANOIA. HE HELPS THEM GET HIM.
HE WANTS TO BE CAUGHT AND HE HAS
BEEN CAUGHT IN A WAY.
THE POLLS ARE INDICATING THE
NATION DOESN’T BUY HIS STORIES
ANYMORE AND THEY KNOW HE’S
LYING.
LYING. HE’S IN A VERY DANGEROUS PLACE.
AS A KID, YOU KNOW, YOU SEE
THESE MUOVIES WITH THE WALLS AND
CEILINGS COMING IN.
>> AS IS THE CASE AROUND HERE,
WE HAVE MORE BREAKING NEWS.
>>> "THE NEW YORK TIMES" IS
REPORTING, I’M BEING TOLD, AT
THIS MOMENT THAT BOB MUELLER’S
LAWYERS ARE BASICALLY OPEN TO
SOME WRITTEN ANSWERS FROM DONALD
TRUMP.
TRUMP. THIS IS CROSSING THE WIRE RIGHT
NOW.
NOW. THEY’RE CALLING IT AN INTERIM
MEASURE AND THIS REPORTING
APPEARS, I WANT TO CAUTION,
APPEARS TO BE BASED ON
CHARACTERIZATIONS NOT FROM
MUELLER’S FOLKS, WHO AREN’T
CONFIRMING IT ON THE RECORD, BUT
FROM A CHARACTERIZATION FROM THE
TRUMP WHITE HOUSE.
AGAIN I’M GOING TO READ FROM THE
"NEW YORK TIMES" HERE FOR YOUR
RESPONSE.
RESPONSE. IT SAYS, ESSENTIALLY, THE
SPECIAL COUNSEL WILL ACCEPT
WRITTEN ANSWERS FROM PRESIDENT
TRUMP ON QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER
HIS CAMPAIGN CONSPIRED ON
RUSSIAN ELECTION INTERFERENCE.
THIS SAYS MR. MUELLER’S OFFICE
TOLD TRUMP’S LAWYERS IN A LETTER
ACCORDING TO TO "TWO PEOPLE
BRIEFED ON IT," THEY DON’T
IDENTIFY THE SOURCES, BUT LATER
IT SAYS THEY HAVE DANGLED
WRITTEN ANSWERS AS A
POSSIBILITY.
POSSIBILITY. THEY APPEAR RECEPTIVE AS AN
INTERIM MEASURE.
INTERIM MEASURE. RUSSIAN CONSPIRACY, NOT
OBSTRUCTION.
OBSTRUCTION. I MIGHT NOT FORESTALL A SUBPOENA
AS WE SAW IN THE STARR/CLINTON
MATTER.
MATTER. >> WHEN HE ANSWERS IT IT’S AS IF
IT WAS TRUE OR FALSE WHETHER
HE’S SAYING IT ORALLY OR WRITTEN
DOWN.
DOWN. A HUNDRED LAWYERS CAN SIT DOWN
AND WRITE THIS THING, BUT IF
THEY DON’T ANSWER THE QUESTION,
THERE WILL BE A FOLLOW-UP.
THERE WILL BE A STATEMENT AND
THEY CAN’T GET AWAY FROM IT.
>> GEORGE, YOUR VIEW OF THIS
STORY?
STORY? >> WELL, IT’S A MEANINGFUL
ATTEMPT ON THE PART OF MUELLER,
IT SEEMS TO ME, TO MEET HIM MORE
THAN HALFWAY.
THAN HALFWAY. THE QUESTION, WHY DOES HE LIE?
HE LIES TO EVERYBODY, FIRST OF
ALL.
ALL. >> HE SAID, WHY DOES HE LIE?
>> YEAH, BECAUSE THAT’S WHAT HE
DOES.
DOES. FISH HAVE TO SWIM, BIRDS HAVE TO
FLY, HE HAS TO LIE.
>> IS IT IN HIS NATURE?
>> I DO.
>> I DO. WHEN FIRST WE PRACTICE TO
DECEIVE, WE’VE ALL TOLD OUR
CHILDREN, TELL THE TRUTH, IT’S
EASIER TO REMEMBER THAN ALL THE
LIES THAT CAN BE TOLD.
I THINK THAT’S PART OF THE
PROBLEM MR. TRUMP IS IN NOW.
HE’S GOT SO MANY VERSIONS OUT