knowing that it is a crime to lie to
congress do you wish to retract your
statement of may 11 where you claimed
that the nih
never funded gain of function research
in wujon senator paul
i have never lied before the congress
and i do not retract that statement
wait a minute it didn't come in the lab
but all the evidence is pointing that it
came from the lab
and there will be responsibility for
those who funded the lab
including yourself i totally this
community will allow the witness to
i totally resent the lie that you are
now propagating
quite an exchange there breaking right
now senator rand paul has requested a
criminal referral
against dr anthony fauci the letter has
just been sent
from his office he claims that dr fauci
as you saw there lied to congress about
u.s funding for gain and function
research in wuhan
now officially in the hands that letter
of the department of justice i spoke
with the senator
just moments ago senator good to have
you with us once again thank you
um so you basically uh
accused him of of lying
before congress now you've sent a letter
to the department of justice
asking for them to do an inquiry so the
basis as i understand it
is that he claimed quite clearly that
there was never
any u.s funded gain of function research
that was happening at the wuhan lab
and you say that that they're being sort
of
cute with the definition of what gain of
function is can you explain that
in in basic terms to our audience well i
think it's important to know that dr
falchi has a self-interest in obscuring
any relationship or responsibility for
anything done in the wound lab
without question the evidence we
presented in committee yesterday
shows that the nih was funding research
in wuhan
we showed the exact numerical
series of numbers that goes with the
grant number so yes they were funding
the wuhan lab
the second question is whether or not
the research was gain of function
the nih actually defines gain of
function and i read that definition to
him but he didn't listen
the definition is that any kind of
animal virus
that occurs in nature that affects
animals only or infects animals only
if you recombine it or mutate it or
adapt it in the lab
with other viruses so it has
characteristics that change it from
being an
animal only virus to being a virus that
now can infect humans
that you've gained in function you've
gained pathogenesis
or you've gained virulence you've made
it more dangerous
yeah without question this is what
happened in the wuhan lab
we have a number of professors who have
said so we
put the quote up from a professor of 30
years at rutgers tenured professor who
said
that what they were doing in the lab in
wuhan was the epitome of gain of
function
but you have to realize that dr fauci is
not disinterested
if this virus came from the lab and it
becomes clear that he was funding
dangerous research
moral culpability responsibility
attaches to him and he does not want
that so he's shirking that
but in so doing he's not being honest
with the american people or congress
so he claims that you lied about him he
says that there was no
gain of function research that was
funded by u.s dollars
and of course you know the scariest
aspect of this would be if there was any
link between the dollars that went from
the united states
to potentially the actual virus that
leaked
and he at one point said to you is that
what you're suggesting
that i you know was connected to is that
what you're suggesting well he once
again set something up that we weren't
suggesting
he was saying that the viruses discussed
in the paper that we presented from dr
she the bat scientists that those
viruses were not covered 19.
well we were not alleging that we're not
alleging that that doctor she wrote a
paper talking about how she created
covet 19. in 2017. we're saying that she
was doing gain of function research
the paper proves it and you know the one
way to get to the bottom of this
fox could do this you could bring in 10
disinterested scientists
in this field and ask them is this gain
of function research
there are a bunch of them that will
speak on this but there are many of them
who are frightened because
their livelihood depends on nih dollars
and dr fauci controls that money
but there are a number of them that have
been discussing this all the way back to
2002
the professor that we uh brought the
quote from
he says he's been interested in gain and
function research and limitations that
we should have on it
since 2002. so let me ask you this do
you
what response do you expect to get from
the department of justice and do you
think that the attorney general merrick
garland will
want to pursue this issue i assume
they'll act in a very partisan way and
they will not pursue
this but the thing is is there are ways
that the public can also pursue this
if the public wants to get to the bottom
of who's right
who's who's telling the truth myself or
dr fauci
convene a panel of scientists and asked
them if what doctor she was doing was
gain of function
i think you'll be shocked that the vast
majority of scientists will say yes
it's gain a function it meets the nih
definition
right now fouchy's getting away with
this because no one's questioning him he
only
goes on left-wing networks they give him
easy questions like
hahaha isn't rand paul so out there
that's the kind of questions he gets
nobody asks him
well why isn't it gain of function
research and why if this science says
it's the epitome of gain of function
how are you still denying it people have
to understand there is a self-interest
in preservation for dr fauci not to be
associated
with the wuhan lab and not to admit that
he helped to fund this research and it's
worth pointing out that there was a ban
against gain of function research which
had one at one point been funded by the
nih
um to sort of make viruses more virulent
so that they could figure out how to
fight them if they were if they happened
to get out into the population
there was a ban on it so that's why the
definition of what it is becomes very
important because if they kept doing it
despite the fact that there was a ban it
needed to be defined as something else
and that's what dr fauci is saying here
i just want to mention real quickly
josh rogan has done great reporting on
this for the washington post he came out
he said hey guys rand paul was right
fauci was wrong
the nih was funding in a function
research in wuhan but the nih pretended
it didn't meet their gain of function
definition
to avoid that oversight mechanism as i
was just saying sorry not sorry if it
doesn't fit your favorite narrative that
from josh rogan
who has covered this in depth from the
washington post senator we're going to
leave it there thank you very much sir
good to see you today
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