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Matt Reeves revealed that his version of the Joker will not be in the Batman 2.
Any setting up a very different type of trilogy for his Robert Pattinson
Batman universe with all the spin off HBO series.
But the Joker will come back.
there's also a bunch of other stuff that we've learned recently
about what's going on with the next couple of Batman movies.
So we'll break it all down.
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from his inception, from his birth life, has been a cruel joke on him.
And this is his response.
And he's eventually going to become
declare himself as a clown, declare himself as the Joker.
he's had to spend the life of people looking at him in a certain way
and he knows how to get into your head.
Matt Reeves released this deleted scene with Barry Coen's Joker
after the first movie was released.
In the theatrical cut, he barely had any kind of scene, like
just a quick Arkham scene of him giving the Riddler a pep talk, implying
they should team up.
leaning heavily into the more comic book aspects of their personas, like Paul
Dano's Riddler had not yet become full comic book Riddler in the first movie,
Joker had not yet become a full joker, as you would normally think of them.
He was basically telling Riddler
that this was just the beginning for them, and most people just assumed
that they meant that they'd come back as bigger characters in the Batman 2.
then Matt Reeves releases
the full deleted scene with The Joker, and you can kind of see why he deleted it.
The movie was already really long and the scene didn't necessarily add
that much to further
the main plot of him learning about what's going on with the Riddler.
on alcohol and so on. So I.
Why should I?
To me, maybe he's a fan of yours,
it really only served to set up the Joker character.
And a lot of people have complained for many, many years now
that comic book movies have a lot of stuff.
Hijacking the main plot for characters
or plot points that only serve to set up sequels and spinoffs.
So this joker scene would have kind of felt like that.
Like, oh, he's just in here to set up a joker
spin off or the Joker being in the Batman 2.
So understandable
that Matt Reeves got rid of the
scene, knowing now that the Joker was not supposed to be in the Batman 2.
It makes even more sense
If he put this scene in the movie, everybody on the planet
would just expect Joker to be in that next movie.
this is his actual audition for the Joker scene.
It feels like a very different idea that he had for what his Joker would be like.
doesn't that version of his Joker feel way more like A Clockwork
Orange type of Joker?
Like it's a self-made costume that came the bowler hat all inspired
by Clockwork Orange his actual performance as the Joker.
In that final version, the scene feels totally different.
You can let me know which joker you prefer, like Clockwork Orange Joker,
who feels a little more over-the-top in a comic book
kind of way in the more chaotic energy joker with a muted voice.
Like he's almost whispering his dialog to Batman. There.
he's kind of very much out of the Conrad Veidt sort of mold.
And that idea of the silent film of the man who laughs, he's
got this congenital disease. He can never stop smiling.
wanted to create an iteration of him
that felt distinctive and new, but went right back to the roots.
What if this is
something that he's been touched on that he's been touched by from birth, it's
not something where he fell in a vat of chemicals or it's not the Nolan thing
where he has these scars and we don't know where they came from.
and that he has a kind of congenital disease that refuses to let him
stop smiling.
And he's had this very dark reaction to it.
right now,
the current rumor and it's starting
to seem a little more likely is that Matt Reeves will totally swerve on the Joker
character as a main villain in any of his Batman movies,
like he's not saving him so that he can be the main
villain of the Batman three or anything like that.
But he will bring Joker back at some point in the universe.
Like we have all the HBO Spin Off series.
There's an Arkham Asylum TV show. These working on.
He might show up during that.
I think Matt Reeves idea is that he wants the Robert Pattinson Batman movies
to feel as different as possible from Christopher Nolan's Dark
Knight trilogy, from Zack Snyder's Justice League movie universe with the Jared
Leto version of The Joker and from Joaquin Phoenix's Joker movies.
That's how many jokers we've had recently.
James Gunn also has his version of the Batman
and going to be his Justice League version of the Batman.
They'll probably be a joker in that universe in the DCU eventually.
add another one to the pile.
and between all those versions, there's been so much focus on the Joker character
the last 15 years that Matt Reeves is going to make his Batman movies
different by just making the Joker a supporting character,
like part of a larger rogue's gallery so that he's active in the universe,
causing all kinds of mayhem.
but most theories right now
in Matt Reeves and Robert Pattinson have definitely thrown some fire on this.
Gasoline is the Batman two main villain will either be Mr.
Freeze for someone that they haven't done in any of the live action movies before.
hoping for. Mr.
Freeze, Matt Reeves talked about this a while ago,
So a lot of people at the time thought that an implied that Mr.
Freeze would be the main
villain Matt Reeves just said even the idea of something like Mr.
Freeze. Such a great story, right?
So a lot of people were like, Wait a minute,
does that mean he's actually doing Mr. Freeze in the sequel?
The monster who took you from me will soon learn that revenge is a dish
best served cold and The other big news is that Matt Reeves is supposed
to introduce Clay Baze during the movie, but he's not going to be the main villain.
Most people think that he's going to be a version
of the original Clayface, the Golden Age version.
The character called Basil Carlo.
not the shapeshifting metahuman. Clayface.
Matthew Hagen.
That's who most people think of when they think of Clayface.
the reason why everyone's expecting the original Clayface is
just because he's more of a real world down to earth, kind of Clayface.
And that's the whole vibe of the Matt Reeves Batman universe.
so far, we haven't seen any actual metahumans in the world of the Batman yet.
So everything's been tech based, at least so far.
The Basil Carlo Clayface was based on real life, Boris Karloff and Basil Rathbone.
Carlo was meant to be a B-list actor driven, insane
when he hears that they're remaking his classic horror film without him.
during that movie, he played the villain who is called Clayface,
and he puts that costume back on again, killing all the actors who are
in the remake in the order that they got killed in the original movie.
then eventually Batman and Robin are able to stop him.
Don't be surprised.
They update his origin story just a little bit
because they changed the Riddler's origin story,
But they don't have to update Clayface is origin
that much to make it fit within this current universe.
and when we get to the Batman three, we might even get the Court of Owls
as the main overarching villains, which they've done in the animated movies.
They did them on the Gotham TV show, but they haven't been done
in any of the live action movies yet in the cast.
We're hyping them up.
After the last Batman movie came out,
there were a lot of Easter eggs and references to the Court of Owls
during the first movie.
That's why the actors were talking about it, like, yes,
there was a lot of court of appeals in there.
Thomas and Martha were leaders of the Court of Owls in this timeline.
Like that one.
Oh, that's of
I was definitely kind of thinking it's probably going to be in the sequel.
It definitely seems nice. Mommy, I'm not sure.
Just guessing, I guess.
Keep saying good thing it's not in this film.
Or is it?
Or is let me know in the comments.
Where do you want to see Matt Reeves Joker come back in the Robert Pattinson
Batman universe, like the movies, the HBO TV shows that he's doing.
He's only announced two of them so far, but there could be more after that.
We'll see.
this idea of him being very kind of incisive and brilliant
and being able to get into your mind and having basically having
this kind of nihilistic point of view that sort of like think
you're only care my own way.
So I think you.
Oh, I'm sure he's got her
to think they deserved.
Yeah. Do you think it is everything?
in Who do you want to be the main villain of the Batman three?
If it's going to be somebody
that they haven't used in the live action Batman movies before
Most of you probably seen some Robin talk in your feeds recently.
I know everyone's been fan casting.
Timothee Chalamet is a version of Robin.
He did talk about being Robin a while ago.
after seeing him in Dune, he could actually do a pretty bad as Robin.
But the thing is, though, the report is that during the Batman to Matt Reeves
is going to introduce a version of Dick Grayson who is only 13 years old.
Zack Snyder did introduce a version of Robin during Batman versus Superman.
But it was Dick Grayson, and he was killed before the events of the movie.
that was meant to be this untold history that he had with Joker and Harley Quinn
that they kind of alluded to during the first Suicide Squad movie
and then later during the Justice League, Snyder cut with their post-credits
scene where he was taunting Batman in that post-apocalyptic future.
So this new version of Robin that we're going to see
will be the first living version that we've seen in the movies since Batman
and Robin with Chris O'Donnell's Robin in George Clooney's Batman,
who we also just saw at the end of the Flash movie
Right now, the Batman two is supposed to come out in 2025.
It might get pushed to a little bit later in the year with the recent delays,
but I'll do more videos for it when we get more details about the story.
It's a long ways off.
And James Gunn won't announce his Batman in Batman
braving the bolt until after the Batman two comes out with Robert Pattinson.
They don't want to steal any of their thunder,
so it'll be a while before we will learn about that other version of Batman.
As far as I know, Andy Muschietti is still directing Batman and Brave in the Bold,
even though everything is paused by the strikes right now.
You know, there are a lot of complaints about the Flash movie just in general.
one of the best aspects of that movie was the way he treated
both versions of Batman in their action on screen, like he actually did.
Really did
a good job of Ben Affleck's Batman in a good job of Michael Keaton's Batman.
So even if a lot of people were disappointed
by the actual flash of it all in the overarching story,
the Batman stuff, and it was actually pretty solid.
Ben Affleck even said after he did his scenes
that he actually wanted to come back a little bit,
even though he had told them that he was done as Batman at the time
that Batman Penguin HBO series was delayed a little so it should release
late 2024 or early 2025 before the Batman two comes out in theaters.
But I'll do another trailer video for that when we have some more footage.
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