Turning Point USA founder, Charlie Kirk,
was met with protesters during an appearance at Northern Arizona University.
So every time election season heats up,
the one trick ponies do what the one trick ponies do best, they show up on college
campuses where they know they're going to be met with protesters.
Some percentage of the protesters get super rowdy and try to prevent the speaker
from speaking, and then they go online and they cry about it.
And it's super frustrating because I wish the students realized that this was
a tactic, that it's terrible to take the bait, but they take the bait.
And so let's talk about what happened.
So Kirk was apparently visiting the university for an open debate titled
Prove Me Wrong, The Government Is Lying To You, to which I say you're right.
Yeah, the government lies to all of us.
Correct.
>> Speaker 2: Like a big deal, I mean hey, okay.
>> Yeah.
>> Prove me wrong, the sky is blue.
I don't see how that proves your case, though.
[LAUGH] >> [LAUGH]
>> So, yeah, the Pentagon
is lying to us and wasting all that money.
Your budies in the Republican Party lied to us and dragged us into Iraq and
had all those people killed.
So where's the question?
And how is this not exactly Steven Crowder's trick?
>> Speaker 1: No, it totally is, prove me wrong.
You should be sued.
>> Speaker 2: It's actually a little embarrassing.
>> Copyright infringement.
>> To do the same exact thing.
>> Speaker 2: Yeah. >> I have a suggestion for
what the student should do next time.
>> Okay. >> Speaker 2: Let's figure out what they
did this time.
>> Speaker 1: So as soon as he stepped foot on campus, he was met with crowds
chanting things like Fu or f off fascist trans rights or human rights.
I'm fine with the chants, that's totally fine.
Protesting it, I think, is totally fine.
I think there's a line that gets crossed, though, that feeds right into
a narrative that conservatives like Charlie Kirk wanna put out there.
And I just think you gotta be a little smarter,
a little more strategic in how you protest, right?
Again, I don't have a problem with protesting.
That's also free speech.
But doing it in a way that helps their narrative is obviously counterproductive,
and we'll get to that in a moment.
But immediately after he does this, he's met with the protest Turning Point USA,
which he co-founded, puts out this Tweet or X, isn't it funny how the people
calling us fascists are the ones trying to shut down our free speech?
No, guys, it is literally the exact same thing.
It's happened a billion times.
Anne Coulter did it.
Ben Shapiro did it.
Stephen Crowder did it.
Now, you have Charlie Kirk doing it.
Thanks for the warm welcome at Northern Arizona University.
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Okay, now, as you see from the photo, the tabling of the debate wasn't like
Charlie Kirk would be talking on a stage or anything like that.
He just appeared on campus and
engaged in this open debate with any student who would engage with him, right?
So let's take a look at what that scene looked like.
[NOISE] >> All right,
so that's what it looked like.
A post shared on social media and then published on Reddit shows that the protest
against Kirk was organized by students ahead of his visit, calling for
fellow protesters to bring pots, pans and wooden spoons, as well as other noise
makers to the demonstration, which they dubbed, shut up fascist.
Okay.
And even members of the school marching band came out to try to silence him as he
was attempting to engage in debates with students.
Let's watch.
[MUSIC]
Okay, so I'm gonna go to you now, Cenk, because for me, I think that it would have
been better look, if you don't want to engage him at all, if you don't think he
should, you don't have any interest in anything he has to say or
any interest in engaging in the debate, do you boo?
You don't have to do it, right?
Protesting him in a manner that allows him to speak, I think is okay, but
I don't like being so noisy on purpose as to, basically, prevent him from speaking.
I think that's a bad idea, and I'll explain why in a moment.
But I'm curious what you think.
>> Speaker 2: There was two signs that I really liked.
I'll get to that in one second.
But to Anna's point about how this is a trigger's oldest time, in fact,
it is literally in the 1971 Lewis Powell memo, he says we should have young
people go to college campuses, represent the pro corporate agenda, and
then if they don't let us speak, we should say that they're taking away freedom.
So the guy wrote it decades ago, and
they've been following that same script again.
And I have the receipts in the book, it's in Chapter Four.
You could read it for yourself, direct quotes from the memo and
being applied today.
It's amazing, okay?
tyt.com slash justice to get the book.
But now back to these guys, there were two signs that I enjoyed.
One was, Charlie Kirk has a small face, oksy?
>> True.
>> Another one was, Charlie Kirk is a baby, okay.
So, [LAUGH] look, have fun with it.
I like it.
So the marching band cuts in both directions.
I like doing fun protests, etc, but then let the brother speak, right?
Because his speech is, don't worry, it's not gonna cause any harm.
Nobody believes in him.
He's just trying to grab attention, and this only helps him, right?
But the marching band was kind of fun in this case.
The students had fun with the whole thing.
>> Yeah.
>> Speaker 2: So it felt like almost like spring fling kind of thing that we used to
do in college.
>> Speaker 1: I will say, I love that it didn't get nasty,
it didn't get violent in any way.
I really commend the students for
not letting anything get out of hand in that regard.
In the past, when a conservative speaker shows up on a college campus, and
they're intentionally trying to be provocative to drum up controversy and
the kind of violent reaction they're hoping for, well,
that violent reaction then gets blasted all over the media.
And the students are made out to be the bad guys.
They're made out to be the ones who are so weak, ideologically speaking, and
so unable to defend their own position on whatever topic is being debated.
It ends up helping the conservative, provocative speaker,
as opposed to helping your cause.
So that's- >> Yeah.
>> Why I think let him speak,
because what he has to say isn't really gonna be appealing.
And for the students who actually want to engage in that debate,
I don't even know what the debate would be in this context, right?
The government lies to you, okay.
I'm pretty sure the students don't disagree with that point.
>> Speaker 2: Yeah.
And then you can get into how they lie, why they lie, etc.
>> Right.
>> Speaker 2: But look, of course, he's not trying to do an actual debate there.
His number one motivation was to go there and to get that exact scene, okay?
The only way that it would have been better for him is if it was violent.
And, unfortunately, the last time he went to UC Davis, it did get physical, and
some of the students broke windows and stuff.
But if you're calling a guy fascist and you're the one breaking the windows,
you're not very good at messaging, right?
>> Yeah.
>> Speaker 2: So don't do that.
But I love being constructive, and I'm not just here to reign on people's parade.
And that one did look fun in Northern Arizona, right?
But for me, I think the best way to annoy Charlie Kirk and if you wanna get him and
get under his skin, you notice how happy he was in that crowd.
That's not the way to do it.
He's like, people are paying attention to me.
I love it.
>> 100%, I noticed that, too.
>> Speaker 2: He was beaming with his tiny little baby face.
>> Speaker 1: He loves it. >> It's okay.
>> Speaker 1: He loves it.
>> Speaker 2: So no, what would be hilarious if he went and did one of these
stunts and people just walked by him, looked at him, and then ignored him.
>> Speaker 1: Dude, he'd die.
>> Speaker 2: Yeah. >> He wouldn't know what
to do with himself.
>> Speaker 2: But you look at him just for half a second, right?
So he knows that you saw him, okay?
Because he's waiting for people to recognize him.
He's like, did they see me?
Did they see me?
If you all [LAUGH] look at him and just keep walking to your class,
it'll drive him nuts, okay.
>> Speaker 2: My God.
Imagine you pass by, like mm, so 2016.
>> [LAUGH] >> [LAUGH] My God.
>> Speaker 2: But I wouldn't even make any comments.
I wouldn't even show that you even recognize him.
The point of looking for half a second is to be, like, uninteresting.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay?
>> Speaker 1: Yeah, totally.
Now, what's really interesting is he kind of wanted to have his cake and
eat it, too, because at first, he kind of presented himself as like,
I was swarmed by this mob of students who just, they can't handle disagreement.
They can't handle someone who disagrees with their worldview.
And then after the press, basically, said he got heckled off campus,
he's like, that's not true.
I engaged in lengthy debates.
It was just a minority of the students who were being unruly.
>> Speaker 2: No, that is not the minority of the students.
>> [LAUGH] >> Brother, we got eyes, okay?
We see your beaming baby face, [LAUGH] and we see the giant crowd.
>> Speaker 1: Baby face is a good thing.
You can't say baby face, too small for your head face.
That's better.
>> [LAUGH] Small face.
Small face. >> Small face.
>> Small face. >> Speaker 1: Small face is good.
Baby face is good.
Small face is good in a bad way.
>> [LAUGH] >> Baby face is good in a good way.
>> Speaker 2: Okay, give people with that.
>> Right, you guys know what I mean.
>> Speaker 2: Okay. >> Speaker 1: All right.
Anyway, by the way okay, so
I'm gonna give you examples of what I just mentioned okay?
So at first, he uses the protest to play victim.
So here's a Turning Point USA tweet about that.
Instead of trying to prove Charlie Kirk wrong through conversation,
they just wanna yell in his face, this is why our country is moving backward.
>> Speaker 2: Is that why?
I thought it was the politicians.
>> Yes. >> Speaker 2: You think it's the students
of Northern Arizona that are marching the country backwards with their marching ban?
[SOUND] Let's go backwards.
>> [LAUGH] >> No,
it's your buddies in the Republican Party who are destroying the country,
both parties, but more so, the Republican Party.
>> Speaker 1: And then Charlie Kirk himself put out this post,
angry indoctrinated college women will ruin America if we let them.
>> Speaker 2: So college women are going to ruin America.
>> Yeah. >> Speaker 2: So
it's Northern Arizona students and college women-
>> Totally.
>> That are ruining America.
Remember, he went there and
said that his main point was that the government is lying.
So it goes from, God, can you believe what the government is doing wrong to it's your
problem, you college educated women.
>> Speaker 1: But, Cenk, I thought you knew there have been big changes, and
college women now control the government.
>> I see, okay.
>> Okay.
By the way, going back to what Cenk said about upsetting Charlie Kirk,
you have experience in this area, Cenk.
You have gotten under Charlie Kirk's skin simply by mentioning
the donors to Turning Point USA >> Speaker 2: Yeah,
and by the so let's talk about that for a second.
So Hassan Piger was debating Charlie Kirk, and I heckled a tiny bit, okay?
>> Speaker 1: You totally heckled, yes.
>> Speaker 2: But a little bit for just a moment, okay.
>> Speaker 2: Things got out of control.
>> And I asked him about his donors.
Now, those are the donors who were paying him to go to college campus.
If you remember a while back, that's what he mainly did.
He would go and give speeches cuz he was gonna try to indoctrinate the youth.
And after wasting a ton of right wing donor money, which, all right, good.
The donors realized, you haven't convinced a soul.
[LAUGH] We see the polling, and they were super progressive, the young.
Now they're even more progressive.
Stop going to college campuses.
So [LAUGH] then they switched over to doing tweaking videos on YouTube and
stuff and hiring hosts and becoming kind of a media company.
Now he's going old school to go back to schools, but
he's just trying to get attention.
>> Yeah. >> Speaker 2: That's the main reason why.
But anyway, when I mentioned the donors, he's like,
I live like a capitalist every day, Cenk.
Okay, he yelled at me.
Yeah, but you're kind of admitting it.
You're saying, I don't care about the cause.
I live like a capitalist.
I take the donor money and then I do propaganda for them.
Okay, all right.
I'll take the confession.
>> Speaker 1: It was just a fascinating reaction from him when you just simply
mentioned who funds Turning Point USA.
>> Speaker 2: Because we have members,
we get a tiny amount from ads because tons of people watch us, right?
He don't have any of that.
He doesn't have grassroots.
And so all he has is his rich buddies.
>> Speaker 1: That's true, yeah.
And so that's why he gets touchy about it.
>> Now- >> Live like a cat every single day.
>> Speaker 1: Yeah, that was him.
That was him losing his mind on the debate stage after Cenk, to be fair,
Cenk did interrupt the debate with his accusation.
[LAUGH] >> Speaker 2: I know.
>> Speaker 1: Which was hilarious.
I enjoyed it, I will allow it.
>> Speaker 2: Yeah. But to be fair to me,
I don't want people getting the wrong impression that I was grandstanding for
10 minutes.
It was like a five second 15 second.
>> Speaker 1: No, five second 50 second.
That's too long.
It was two seconds.
You just- >> Yeah.
>> One sentence, but it really triggered him, anyway.
But going back to how he at first wanted to paint this narrative of being a victim
and then immediately wanted to switch gears.
So Mediaite puts out an article about this whole debacle, and
their headline is Fu Fascist, quoting the students that were protesting,
Charlie Kirk swarmed by hecklers at Northern Arizona University.
So he quote tweets that saying, dear Mediaite,
you might wanna watch this video and reconsider your headline.
We had more supporters than opposition today.
>> Speaker 2: Come on, brother.
We all saw the videos.
Come on.
>> Yeah. >> Speaker 2: Okay, all right.
Lie any way you like.
>> Speaker 1: What the media wants you to think is that I got heckled off campus at
Northern Arizona University.
That's ridiculous.
I was there for nearly 3 hours talking and debating with students.
I left as scheduled.
Then you know what?
>> Speaker 2: Then what are you complaining?
>> Speaker 1: Then the students handled it perfectly.
If you were able to engage in debate for 3 hours and
there wasn't an intolerant left wing mob of people stopping you from speaking,
then what was up with the first several tweets about this situation?
>> Speaker 2: No, so I wasn't there.
But it sounds like Northern Arizona did exactly what we suggest on the show
all the time.
Go have fun with it and protest for a little while and
then let the brother speak, okay?
Boom. Apparently you spoke for 3 hours.
Why are you still crying with your tiny little small face?
>> [LAUGH] >> Do they produce small tears?