NEW PIECE ENTI
>>> I HAVE COME TO THE MOST
URGENT OF BUSINESS.
IT’S SAID THAT THE PEOPLE ARE
REVOLTING.
>> THEY STINK ON ICE.
>> YOU KNOW, MY MAJESTY, THIS IS
A SERIOUS PROBLEM.
THE PEASANT FEEL YOU HAVE NO
REGARD FOR THEM.
>> WHAT?
I HAVE NO REGARD FOR THE
PEASANTS?
THEY ARE MY PEOPLE.
I’M THEIR SOVEREIGN. I LOVE THEM.
I LOVE THEM.
>> OH!
DRIFTING TO THE LEFT.
>> OH, MY GOD, MEL BROOKS AS
KING LOUIS XVI IN HIS SATIRE,
HISTORY OF THE WORLD, PART ONE,
EXPRESSING HIS DISDAIN FOR HIS
SUBJECTS DURING THE FRENCH
REVOLUTION.
THERE’S A CONNECTION HERE,
BELIEVE IT OR NOT, WITH OUR NEXT
GUEST.
JOINING US NOW, FROM "THE NEW
YORK TIMES" MAGAZINE, MARK
LEIBOVICH HERE WITH THE PIECE
"TRUMP HAS CALLED HIS SUPPORTERS
DISGUSTING, DO THEY CARE?"
ALSO WITH US KURT BARDELLA AND
AXIOS REPORTER ALEXI McCAMMOND
JOINING US US.
SO MARK, DO THEY CARE?
>> APPARENTLY NOT.
IT’S BEEN A VERY DURABLE SUPPORT
NETWORK FOR DONALD TRUMP.
HIS UNSHAKABLE DO LOOK OVER TIM
THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CRACKS
HERE.
I MEAN, I THINK THE BASE DOES,
IF YOU LOOK AROUND THE EDGE,
SEEMS TO BE SHRINKING A LITTLE
BIT.
ALSO, IF YOU LISTEN TO FOCUS
GROUPS OF PEOPLE WHO VOTED FOR
DONALD TRUMP IN 2016, THERE IS
QUITE BAIT OF ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE
THAT HIS ACT IS WEARING PRETTY
THIN.
YOU HEAR SOME SAYING THAT THEY
ARE NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR HIM
AGAIN.
AND I THINK THAT THAT PART OF
WHAT HIS LARGER ELECTORAL
CHALLENGE IS RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS
THAT HIS BASE IS MAYBE NOT AS
DURABLE AS THEYWE THOUGHT IT WAS
ONE OF THE THINGS I DID WITH THE
STORY WAS ACCUMULATE THE TIMES
OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS AND
MONTHS AND ALSO YEARS THAT HE
HAS SAID THE QUIET PART OUTLOUD
ABOUT HOW HE REALLY FEELS ABOUT
THE PEOPLE WHOSE ADDRATION HE IS
BATHING IN AT HIS RALLIES.
AS HOWARD STERN SAID, THESE ARE
NOT THE KIND OF PEOPLE HE WOULD
WANT IN MAR-A-LAGO.
THERE IS A DISCONNECT THERE THAT
I TRIED TO PUT TOGETHER AND I
THINK THIS MIGHT BE ONE OF THE
THINGS THAT IS HURTING HIM RIGHT
NOW.
>> ALEXIE, MARK SAID HIS BASE
MAY NOT BE AS DURABLE AS WE
THINK IT IS.
HIS BASE MAY NOT EVEN ABOUT HIS
BASE.
FOR THE PAST 3 1/2 YEARS WE’VE
TALKED ABOUT THE UPPER MIDWEST
AND THOSE WHITE, OLDER WHITE
GUYS IN WISCONSIN AND MICHIGAN
AND PENNSYLVANIA THAT ALWAYS
VOTED DEMOCRATIC THAT A LOT OF
THEM EVEN VOTED FOR BARACK
OBAMA.
WELL, APPARENTLY, IF YOU LOOK AT
THE NUMBERS, HE’S LOSING A LOT
OF THAT SUPPORT RIGHT NOW AND
HAS BEEN FOR THE PAST SEVERAL
MONTHS.
>> I MEAN, THAT’S EXACTLY RIGHT,
JOE.
THAT’S ONE OF THE MORE
FASCINATING TRENDS WITH JOE
BIDEN IN THIS RACE.
JOE BIDEN’S BASE IS VERY MUCH
BECOMING PARTS OF TRUMP’S FORMER
BASE IN 2016.
THAT’S IN LARGE PART BECAUSE OF
WHAT MARK’S PIECE CAPTURES,
BECAUSE TRUMP IN 2016 SOLD THIS
FAUX POPULOUS MESSAGE WHERE HE
WAS LOOKING OUT FOR THE
FORGOTTEN LITTLE MAN AND WOMAN,
EXPECTING GRIEVANCES THAT PEOPLE
FELT ADDRESSED THEIR CONCERNS IN
THEIR LIVES.
NOW WE SEE HOW THOSE GRIEVANCES
ARE INCREASINGLY PERSONAL.
THEY ARE ALL ABOUT ME, ME, ME.
THEY ARE ABOUT HOW THE MEDIA IS
AGAINST TRUMP, DEMOCRATS ARE
AGAINST TRUMP, HOW EVERYTHING IS
BAD FOR TRUMP, BUT HE IS NOT
FOCUSING ON THE PEOPLE THAT HE
FOCUSED ON IN 2016 AND IN THE
SAME WAY.
AND NOW WE ARE SEEING BIDEN GO
DIRECTLY AFTER THOSE VOTERS WITH
A KIND OF MORE POPULOUS MESSAGE
WE HEARD IN 2016.
THIS IDEA THAT HE IS LOOKING OUT
FOR THEM, THAT HE IS FROM THIS
WORKING CLASS PLACE THAT THEY
ARE FROM AND THEY UNDERSTAND,
AND HE SAYS TRUMP DOESN’T
UNDERSTAND THEIR LIVES IN PLACES
LIKE PARK AVE AND SUSPECT
LOOKING OUT FOR THEM THIS IS
HURTING HIM WITH SENIORS,
NON-EDUCATED WHITE VOTERS AND
FROM THE PRESIDENT’S OWN
RE-ELECTION CAMPAIGN.
ADVISORS TO THE CAMPAIGN TOLD
AXIOS THAT THEY THOUGHT
WISCONSIN WAS IN THE BAG BECAUSE
THEY THOUGHT THEY COULD GET THE
WHITE WORKING CLASS VOTERS.
NOW THEY ARE LOOKING TOWARDS
PENNSYLVANIA HOPING THAT THEIR
LAW AND ORDER RHETORIC AND TOUGH
STANCE WILL HELP THEM WITH WHITE
WORKING CLASS VOTERS THERE.
>> YEAH, AND JONATHAN LEMIRE, I
KNOW YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR
KURT.
BEFORE YOU GO TO KURT, TALK
ABOUT HOW EFFECTIVE THAT
SCRANTON VERSUS PARK AVENUE
ARGUMENT HAS BEEN FOR JOE BIDEN.
IT WAS VERY EASY FOR DONALD
TRUMP TO POINT TO HILLARY
CLINTON AS, YOU KNOW, AN IVY
LEAGUE EDUCATED 1960s LIBERAL
THAT DOESN’T UNDERSTAND VOTERS
IN WISCONSIN, MICHIGAN,
PENNSYLVANIA.
THAT DOESN’T WORK WITH
SCRANTON’S OWN JOE BIDEN.
EVEN WHEN HE IS SAYING IT, IT
JUST DOESN’T RING TRUE AT ALL.
>> RIGHT.
IT’S BEEN A FAILING ARGUMENT TO
THIS POINT.
AS WE WERE DISCUSSING EARLIER,
HILLARY CLINTON HAD NEGATIVES
NEARLY AS HIGH AS DONALD
TRUMP’S.
JOE BIDEN DOESN’T.
THE SAME BLOCK OF VOTERS THAT
TRUMP PULLED AWAY FROM THE
DEMOCRATS IN 2016, MANY WHITE
WORKING CLASS MEN MAY HAVE VOTED
FOR BARACK OBAMA IN 2008 IF NOT
IN 2012, THOSE ARE THE VOTERS AS
ONE PERSON CLOSE TO THE TRUMP
CAMPAIGN PUT TO ME LATELY, THEY
RECOGNIZE AND UNDERSTAND JOE
BIDEN.
JOE BIDEN IS SORT OF ONE OF THEM
AND THEY SORT OF FEEL COMPELLED
PERHAPS TO VOTE FOR HIM AND THEY
ARE NOT SEEING MUCH OUT OF
DONALD TRUMP THAT THEY STILL
LIKE OR RECOGNIZE FROM FOUR
YEARS AGO.
ON THAT TOPIC, THE IDEA OF
MESSAGING, I LOOKED AT SOME 2016
TRUMP VIDEOS, CAMPAIGN RALLIES
RECENTLY, AND IT WAS STRIKING.
A LOT OF THE DISTRACTIONS AND
THE NONSENSE.
HE WAS PRETTY GOOD ABOUT
HAMMERING CERTAIN MESSAGES NIGHT
AFTER NIGHT ON IMMIGRATION, ON
TRADE, ABOUT BEING AGAINST
WASHINGTON, CORRUPTION.
WHAT WOULD YOU SAY RIGHT NOW IS
THE MESSAGE OF THIS RE-ELECTION
CAMPAIGN OUTSIDE OF PROMISING A
RETURN TO A GOOD ECONOMY?
IT SEEMS TO ME HE IS FLAILING
AND STRUGGLING AND STILL
FIGHTING THE LAST WAR.
ARE YOU SEEING ANYTHING THERE
THAT WOULD RESONATE WITH THESE
VOTERS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT?
>> NO.
AND I THINK YOUR OBSERVATION,
JONATHAN, IS PRETTY SPOT ON WHEN
YOU THINK ABOUT THE 2016
CAMPAIGN.
YOU CAN PRETTY MUCH SUM IT UP IN
DRAIN THE SWAMP, PAY FOR THE
WALL AND HILLARY’S EMAILS.
NO MATTER WHERE TRUMP WAS, WHAT
RALLY HE WAS DOING, HE WOULD HIT
THOSE THREE THEMES.
THIS ELECTION RIGHT NOW AND THE
PROBLEM FOR DONALD TRUMP IS
BECAUSE OF THE CORONAVIRUS
PANDEMIC AND HIS HORRIBLE
MISMANAGEMENT OF IT AND THE
RISING DEATH TOLL, NO MATTER
WHAT HE DOES, NO MATTER HOW MANY
DISTRACTIONS HE THROWS AT THE
WALL, NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES
HE TRIES TO TROLL US INTO
TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE,
THERE ISN’T A SINGLE PERP IN THE
COUNTRY WHO HASN’T BEEN TOUCHED
BY THIS PANDEMIC IN SOME WAY AND
WHO IN DOING EVERY DAY THINGS,
GOING TO THE GROCERY STORE,
FIGURING OUT HOW TO MANAGE
CHILDREN AND CHILD CARE, HEALTH
CARE, PEOPLE ARE REMINDED OF THE
CORONAVIRUS EVERY DAY.
DONALD TRUMP HAS ZERO MESSAGE
FOR THE PANDEMIC OTHER THAN
THESE FANTASY TYPE OF THINGS
IT’S EITHER GOING TO GO AWAY,
THERE IS A MIRACLE CURE, SHAWOME
HE IS INLMMUNE TO.
ALL THE THINGS HE SAID ABOUT IT
ARE WRONG, INACCURATE AND A
BREAK FROM REALITY OF WHAT
EVERYDAY AMERICANS ARE
EXPERIENCING.
I THINK YOU ARE SEEING THIS
DIVIDE GROW BETWEEN THE REALITY
ON THE GROUND.
>> THE POLLING AND WHAT DONALD
TRUMP IS TRYING TO DO AND SAY.
THE FACT THEY TRIED TO RECYCLE
THE HILLARY CLINTON EMAIL OVER