DID THEY CHARGE PEOPLE A SPECIFIC FARE FOR THAT FLIGHT?
>> THAT'S TERRIBLE. >> LET'S GET TO THE NEWS, MIKA.
BARNICLE HAD TO BRING US DOWN. >>> STEVE BANNON, THERE ARE
REPORTS, IS STANDING DOWN. THERE'S ALSO WORD BEHIND THE
SCENES THAT THE END IS NYE. ACCORDING TO THE WEEKEND, TO
"THE NEW YORK TIMES," KUSHNER ALLIES TOLD THE PRESIDENT THE
INCREASINGLY UNFLATTERING COVERAGE THAT KUSHNER IS
RECEIVING FROM BREITBART NEWS AND NOW ANONYMOUS SOURCES TELL
BUSINESS INSIDER THAT BREITBART EDITORS TOLD STAFFERS TO STOP
WRITING STORIES CRITICAL OF
KUSHNER. >> JEREMY PETERS IS WITH US.
>> FROM MY REPORTING THE LAST 12 HOURS, THE SITUATION HAS THAWED
SOMEWHAT.
I NEED TO PICK MY BATTLES MORE CAREFUL.
THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A RECOGNITION HE GOT ON THE WRONG SIDE OF
JARED AND IVANKA, WHICH IS A HUGE MISTAKE.
I MEAN IT'S -- >> SO, JEREMY, HAVE YOU HEARD
FROM INSIDER -- WHAT I HEARD FROM THREE PEOPLE.
>> I DON'T UNDERSTAND. >> HIGH UP IN THE ADMINISTRATION
YESTERDAY WAS THEY THINK BANNON JUST -- I'LL USE THEIR WORD THAT
THEY'RE USING INSIDE THE WHITE HOUSE, QUOTE, SNAPPED.
EVERYBODY IS VERY CONCERNED THAT.
>> AND I THINK THAT'S WHY YOU'RE GOING TO SEE HIM LAY LOW.
I THINK THAT'S WHY YOU'RE HEARING PEOPLE BEHIND THE SCENES
I NEED TO PICK MY BATTLES. >> BUT DID HE NOT KNOW THAT YOU
DON'T PICK BATTLES WITH THE PRESIDENT'S DAUGHTER AND
SON-IN-LAW? >> THAT SHOULD BE PRETTY OBVIOUS
TO ANYBODY. >> IT SHOULD.
>> THAT WORKS INSIDE THE TRUMP WHITE HOUSE.
>> BUT IT WASN'T, RIGHT? >> HERE IS WHAT I -- I THINK
THAT FROM MYY UNDERSTANDING OF THE SITUATION, THIS DIDN'T
REALLY RISE TO THE PRESIDENT'S ATTENTION UNTIL HE STARTED
READING ALL OF THE PRESS CLIPS ABOUT IT.
AND ONCE TRUMP SAW THAT HIS INTERNAL DISARRAY WAS BECOMING
THE STORY THAT WAS KNOCKING ALL OF THE OTHER ACHIEVEMENTS OF
LAST WEEK -- FOR EXAMPLE, THE GORSUCH CONFIRMATION, STRIKE IN
SYRIA, THAT THAT HAD MANY WAYS OVERWHELMED THE NARRATIVE THEY
WANTED TO TELL. TRUMP SAID WORK IT OUT.
I DON'T HAVE TIME TO DEAL WITH THIS.
FIX IT. IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE TRYING TO
FIX IT. >> NO.
>> AND THE BANNON AGENDA HAS NOT FARED WELL IN THE FIRST THREE
MONTHS. THE TRAVEL BAN.
THE EXECUTIVE ORDER WAS STOPPED IN THE COURT.
>> YEAH. >> OBAMACARE WAS NOT REPEALED AS
A NATIONALIST, AS HE CALLS HIMSELF, HE WAS NOT FOR THE
STRIKE IN SYRIA. ALL OF THESE ACHIEVEMENTS OR
LACK OF ACHIEVEMENTS THAT DONALD TRUMP HAS HAD HAVE FALLEN
AGAINST STEVE BANNON. IT'S NOT LIKE HE HAS THE WEIGHT
TO GO TO THE PRESIDENT AND SAY GET BEHIND ME.
>> NO. >> ONE IS THAT BANNON IS
ATTACKING THE TRUMP FAMILY THROUGH BREITBART, ROGER STONE
AND OTHER SOURCES. AND THEY FIND THAT TO BE
EXTRAORDINARILY RECKLESS. THAT'S NUMBER ONE.
NUMBER TWO, DONALD TRUMP IS HEARING STEVE BANNON RUNNING
AROUND, TALKING ABOUT HIS AGENDA, HIS AGENDA.
>> PRESIDENT BANNON. >> HIS NATIONALIST AGENDA.
YOU HEAR IT. I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE IT
BEFORE IN WASHINGTON IN MY LIFE, MIKE.
HE'S ACTUALLY WORKED REPORTERS SO MUCH THAT THEY ARE ASKING THE
QUESTION, WELL, WHAT WILL TRUMP DO IF BANNON LEAVES?
HE WON'T HAVE HIS NATIONALIST AGENDA.
WE SHOWED THE CLCLIPS. GET THE CLIPS AGAIN FROM 1987.
WE HAVE THE CLIPS OF DONALD TRUMP BEING DONALD TRUMP IN 1987
WHEN STEVE BANNON WAS LIKE -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT STEVE BANNON WAS
DOING IN 1987. >> DID HE NOT MAKE THE CLASSIC
MISTAKE, THOUGH, OF THINKING THAT HE KNEW TRUMP BETTER THAN
ANYONE? >> YES.
>> AND BETTER THAN TRUMP KNOWS HIMSELF?
HE HAS SPENT AN INORDINATE AMOUNT OF TIME INDICATING TO
OUTSIDERS THAT HE MADE TRUMP PRESIDENT.
>> RIGHT. >> YEP.
>> THAT HE MOLDED HIS PRESIDENCY AND NOW HE CAN MANIPULATE HIM.
>> HE SAID IT AT C-PAC, THAT HE AND KELLYANNE GOT TRUMP ELECTED.
AND HE'S TELLING EVERYBODY, IF I LEAVE, THERE WON'T BE THE
NATIONALIST AGENDA, NEW YORK DEMOCRATS WILL TAKE OVER.
HERE IS DONALD TRUMP. LET'S SEE.
>> CIRCA -- >> FOR 29 YEARS?
I'M NOT GOOD WITH MATH. ABOUT 29 YEARS BEFORE HE MET
STEVE BANNON. DONALD TRUMP.
TAKE A LOOKLOOK. >> I SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING IN
THIS COUNTRY, WHERE OUR SO-CALLED ALLIES ARE JUST
RIPPING US OFF LEFT AND RIGHT WITH JAPAN, SAUDI ARABIA,
KUWAIT. THEY'RE RIPPING THIS COUNTRY
OFF. IF I EVER WAS IN OFFICE, WHICH
IS UNLIKELY, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK I WANT TO BE.
BUT IF I EVER WAS, THAT WOULD NOT HAPPEN.
WE WOULDN'T BE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF THE WAY WE ARE.
THIS COUNTRY IS A GREAT COUNTRY. BUT WE'RE A DEBTOR NATION.
WE BORROW MONEY FROM JAPAN IN ORDER TO DEFEND JAPAN AND WE PAY
INTEREST ON THAT MONEY AND I THINK IT'S JUST RIDICULOUS.
THE COUNTRY, THE UNITED STATES, IS BEING RIPPED OFF, AND IT
SHOULDN'T HAPPEN. >> REALLY, IT WOULD BE THE
EQUIVALENT OF ME TAKING CREDIT FOR YOUR WRITING AT THE -- I'M
NOT JOKING. FOR YOUR WRITING AT "THE NEW
YORK TIMES" IN 1981, THE RATTNER STYLE.
DONALD TRUMP HAS BEEN SAYING THIS FOR 30 YEARS AND STEVE
BANNON IS TRYING TO SELL IT -- AND REPORTERS HAVE BOUGHT IT.
>> ONE OF THE FIRST LESSONS YOU LEARN WHEN YOU WORK IN THE WHITE
HOUSE, WHICH I LEARNED, I DON'T THINK ANYTHING.
I DON'T DO ANYTHING. THE PRESIDENT THINKS EVERYTHING.
THE PRESIDENT DOES EVERYTHING. AND TO UNDERCUT THE PRESIDENT OR
SUGGEST SOMEHOW YOU ARE HIS BRAIN OR IDEAL FACTOR IS CRAZY.
CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT NEVER HAPPENED IN THE OBAMA
ADMINISTRATOR, WHATEVER YOU MAY HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT VALERIE
JARRETT, NOBODY TOOK HER ON OR TRIED TO ELBOW HER OUT OF THE
WAY. THAT WOULD BE A FAILING
STRATEGY. >> SO GLAD YOU BROUGHT THIS UP.
THIS WOULD BE THE EQUIVALENT OF ATTACKING VALERIE JARRETT AND
MICHELLE OBAMA. NOW, WHAT AIDE WOULD SURVIVE
ATTACKING VALERIE JARRETT A AND MICHELLE OBAMA?
>> NONE. >> LET ME -- I'LL ASK THE TABLE.
I'LL ASK WHOEVER IS IN WASHINGTON, JEREMY, SAM.
KARL ROVE HAD A LOT WRITTEN ABOUT HIM.
YOU KNOW, BUSH'S BRAIN AND ALL OF THAT STUFF.
I NEVER HEARD KARL ROVE GOING AROUND BRAGGING.
>> NEVER. >> THAT HE WAS THE GUY BEHIND
BUSH, THAT HE WAS THE GUY WHO DID THIS AND BUSH REALLY DIDN'T
DO IT. HE WAS RESPONSIBLE.
NEVER HEARD THAT. >> I WILL SAY THIS, TOO.
SAM, THE BUSHES -- AND I DON'T MEAN THIS TO BE IN A DEMEANING
WAY TO KARL ROVE. IT'S JUST A MATTER OF HISTORY.
THE BUSHES KEPT KARL ROVE IN HIS PLACE.
>> YEP. >> HE NEVER MISTOOK HIMSELF FOR
BEING PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
HE KNEW HE WAS A STAFFER. A GREAT MICHAEL DEVER QUOTE.
I LOVED RONALD REAGAN. I NEVER ONCE FORGOT I WAS A
STAFFER FOR RONALD REAGAN. STEVE BANNON HAS NEVER SEEN
HIMSELF AS A STAFFER. >> OR KELLYANNE.
>> OR KELLYANNE. >> THIS IS TOTALLY TRUE.
IT'S NOT JUST REPORTERS WHO ARE SPUN.
YOU SHOWED A TWEET FROM CONGRESSMAN STEVE KING WHERE HE
BASICALLY CALLED STEVE BANN. N A LINCHPIN FOR DONALD TRUMP'S
SUPPORT STRUCTURE AMONG CONSERVATIVES, WHICH IS ABSURD.
TRUMP MADE IT THROUGH THE PRIMARY JUST FINE WITHOUT STEVE
BANNON RUNNING THE CAMPAIGN. SOMEBODY WHO WOULD PUSH BACK
AGAINST THIS NARRATIVE OR AT LEAST CLAMP IT DOWN.
IF TRUMP HAD HIRED MORE PEOPLE ACUSTOMED TO WASHINGTON, HOW
WASHINGTON WORKED, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE AN OUTSIDE PER PERSONALITY
TAKING ALL THE CREDIT FOR AN AGENDA THAT RIGHTFULLY HASN'T
GONE ANYWHERE ANYWAY. STEVE BANNON HAS FILLED A VACUUM
HERE. IT'S VERY ABNORMAL FOR A STAFFER
TO PUBLICLY CLAIM CREDIT, LIKE HE'S DOING, FOR A VISION.
YOU'RE USUALLY DIMINUTIVE, YOU'RE SERVE THE PRESIDENT.
HE HAS ASSUMED THE LEADERSHIP MANTLE, AT LEAST FROM A
PHILOSOPHICAL STANDPOINT AND NOW WE'RE SEEING THE BACKLASH TO IT.
TRUMP SAYING I DON'T WANT THIS. TRUMP'S SON-IN-LAW SAYING THIS
IS BAD FOR THE PRESIDENT. >> I DON'T SEE A --
>> IF BANNON STAY THERE IS, HE WILL STAY THERE AS A SHADOW OF
HIS FORMER SELF. >> SOME OF THE BLAME, AS SAM WAS
SAYING -- THERE'S A LOT TO SPREAD AROUND HERE FOR THE CAST
AND DYSFUNCTION INSIDE THIS ADMINISTRATION.
BUT THE TONE IS SET AT THE TOP. THIS IS WHAT WE'VE SEEN FROM
TIME AND TIME AGAIN FROM TRUMP THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF HIS
CAMPAIGN AND NOW IT'S IF HE CAN'TING -- INFECTING HIS WHITE
HOUSE. ABSOLUTELY.
THE REAGAN PARALLELS. THIS SOUNDS LIKE ED MEESE TO
THEM. YOU HAVE THE PERSON IN THE
REPUBLICAN WHITE HOUSE WHO IS ALWAYS THE CARRIER OF THE FLAME,
THE VOICE TO -- THE CONDUIT TO THE GRASSROOTS AND THAT PERSON'S
JOB IS ALWAYS TO SAY OKAY, GRASSROOTS, LET'S COOL IT.
WE NEED TO KNOW WHEN TO FIGHT THESE BATTLES AND NEED TO KNOW
WHEN TO STAND DOWN AND BANNON NEEDS TO LEARN THAT ROLE IF HE'S
TO SURVIVE. >> THE PROBLEM WITH BANNON
VERSUS ED MEESE IS MEESE HAD A BACKGROUND IN THE BUSINESS
BEFORE HE GOT TO WASHINGTON. >> THAT'S RIGHT.
>> AND ED MEESE WOULD NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS SUGGEST HE WAS THE
BRAINS BEHIND RONALD REAGAN. NOT IN A BILLION YEARS WOULD HE
DO THAT. STEVE BANNON WAS RUNNING A
WEBSITE IN JULY. >> YEAH.
>> HAS BEEN RUNNING AROUND, PROMOTING HIMSELF, SUGGESTING
THAT HE IS DONALD TRUMP'S -- THE GENIUS THAT PUT NATIONALISM IN
DONALD TRUMP'S BRAIN. WE CAN SHOW THE CLIP ALL DAY.
IT'S JUST NONSENSE. >> THINK AGAIN, WE TALKED ABOUT
IT AT THE TIME, THAT 10, 11, 12 DAYS AFTER PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS
SWORN INTO OFFICE, STEVE BANNON WAS ON THE COVER OF "TIME"
MAGAZINE. >> CLOSEST PEOPLE TO DONALD
TRUMP ARE GOING TO END UP OUTSIDE.
THINK ABOUT IT. FLYNN, KELLYANNE, STEVE BANNON.
THEY'RE GREAT FOR A DIRTY, SLOPPY, BASE DRIVEN SLOG TO THE
FINISH TO GET THIS PRESIDENCY. THEY ARE NOT GOOD FOR WELL-RUN,
ELEGANT WHITE HOUSE AND THAT WILL BE THE END OF THE STORY.
>> BUT DONALD TRUMP ELECTED DONALD TRUMP.
>> YEAH. >> CORY DIDN'T ELECT HIM.
MANNEFORT DIDN'T ELECT HIM. >> TOTAL TOOLS.
>> I'VE GOT TO GET THE THIRD. BANNON DIDN'T ELECT HIM.
STOP INSULTING EVERYBODY. >> I'M SAYING THEY WERE TOOLS
THAT THEY COULD USE. >> OH, TOOLS TO BE USED.
THAT KIND OF TOOL. >> LIKE A HAMMER.
>> BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, LIKE YOU SAID, STEVE BANNON
DIDN'T CAUSE THE 6,000 OR 5,000 PEOPLE TO FIGHT THROUGH A FOOT
OR TWO OF SNOW. >> NO.
>> TO GET TO NEW HAMPSHIRE IN EARLY FEBRUARY TO SEE DONALD
TRUMP. WHETHER YOU'RE IN NEW HAMPSHIRE
OR WHETHER YOU'RE AT THE MISSISSIPPI GULF COAST COLISEUM
THAT JAMES CARVILLE TALKED ABOUT, IT'S ALL ABOUT TRUMP.
HE DOESN'T NEED STEVE BANNON.