I'm so glad to be here to take this lie detector test.
I hope to put some people's minds at ease.
Debbie?
Yes.
I'm Jack. Hi, I'm Debbie.
Welcome to Beverly Hills.
Thank you.
(Debbie cries)
Well, everything was great and then it came time
to talk a little bit about the issue
of the day of the shooting, and she made it clear,
as she has consistently, that she doesn't remember anything.
I changed the question to, "Do you remember
"deliberately cutting yourself with a knife
"on the day of the shooting?"
And if she truly doesn't remember, the answer is no,
she should pass this polygraph test.
But she's not comfortable with that no answer.
I'm not trying to give you a dishonest answer.
That's all I wanted to do was go to work,
and he took the keys to my truck.
If he would've let me go to work that night
it wouldn't have never happened.
I wouldn't have got overloaded with stress.
Why couldn't he have just let me go to work that night?
Instead of pushing me, and pushing me, and pushing me.
But I'm not gonna sit here and take a lie detector test
for something that I cannot remember.
I think it's unfair and I'm not gonna do it.
Emotionally, she's not capable of taking an exam.
My recommendation is that we'll just pack up
and let Dr. Phil take it from here.
Jack, thank you so much for being here.
So the test was not going to be, "Did you cut yourself?"
But just simply, "Do you remember cutting yourself?"
Exactly.
So testing her recollection, not the act.
Just, do you remember it?
Yes.
Are you telling the truth about remembering it,
or not remembering it, that was the question.
She doesn't care whether you cut yourself,
she just wants to know if you're telling the truth.
That's where I got confused, why we were talking,
and then I got upset because I couldn't
get it right in my mind.
In addition to being a polygraph examiner and trainer,
Jack is also a profiler.
Right.
Jack, she's right handed, and the scar
is on her left forearm, what do you make of that?
Well, going into the polygraph exam
I don't make anything of it.
But post exam, or attempt at the exam,
I asked her to show my the wound,
which was on her left forearm.
And I noticed when you signed your consent
to interview and polygraph with me,
that you were right handed.
Yes sir.
So in my experience when someone
makes self inflicted wounds,
they would if they're right handed,
they come across this way.
And if they're left handed they would come across this way.
And yours was consistent with something
that might have been inflicted upon yourself.
Okay.
Did you injure yourself
to make your position more believable?
You not once, the whole time, have ever asked me...
"Mom, were you okay when he hit you?"
You've never asked this boy right here...
How he reacted, how he was okay after he got abused.
You want to know the question, yes I cut myself,
because I was afraid about what the law would do to me.
(audience applauds)
Now you can't just force him off.
She told you the truth, what do you say about that?
Thank you for telling me the truth.
(audience applauds)
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And I'm gonna hand pick that, I'm gonna set it up,
I'm gonna make it possible for you to do this immediately.
And I want to start with you two,
and then add mom into this mix.
Because we've got to start
putting some positives into this family.
(audience applauds)
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