[music playing] - Hey!
Hi, sweetie. Good to see you.
How are you?
Hi, Hank.
With Decision Day less than one week away,
Pepper and I have decided to visit Gina and Clint,
who are struggling the most.
We want to make sure we discuss our concerns,
as well as help them navigate what they feel is holding them
back to hopefully get them on the right track
before Decision Day.
- Good to see you guys. - I know.
Likewise.
- You guys look great. - Thank you.
Thanks.
I know you got a haircut.
And are you happy with it?
Yeah, I think it's great.
Just had-- just had it done, so I haven't
had time to really adjust.
But, I mean, it's not--
- He said he feels lighter. - Yeah.
[overlapping voices] - Lost some weight.
- You feel lighter? - Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, that hair's got some weight, man.
Imagine if you cut that.
- Oh, yeah. - Yeah.
- You'd be a different person. - I might float away.
- You might. - [laughs]
The reason we're here is, of course,
because we're less than a week away from Decision Day.
Uh-huh.
- But also because-- - I know, right?
Crazy.
--it's kind of a moment to talk about accountability
and responsibility.
So I do, in fact, want to know, you know,
what you've done to be more intentional about what you do.
We did my birthday.
So that was one of the special things that was, you know,
nice for me.
So let me ask you about the other things
that I've asked you to do.
Yeah.
There's movies that I think are emotionally moving.
Did you ever see "Driving Miss Daisy?"
Yeah.
Or "The Art of Racing in the Rain?"
I love that.
Did you see the movies?
- [laughs] No. - Nope.
Did not see the movies.
So what was I doing here last week?
I mean, honestly, guys.
I mean, you agreed, so why not?
Why not?
Yeah, I think it's just a time thing.
We-- we went on the couples retreat, like, right after.
I guarantee you if I said, I've got $3,000 for you
to pick up, somewhere, you would have found the time.
Yeah, probably. [laughter]
Yeah.
I think that's a fair statement.
I want things that will be more on the emotional side,
since you guys are highly rational.
[laughs] Which is a good thing, except that here
I'm hoping for some emotion.
Yeah.
If you do these things and you are unchanged by them,
so be it, you know?
Right.
But I really want you to do them.
- Yeah. - Please?
Yeah.
I mean, we're-- we're not anti.
We want to do things that can encourage and invoke,
you know, maybe a different side of the relationship that we
haven't been able to tap into.
But it's just been crazy.
It's been a crazy week.
I'm looking at you guys, looking at your body language.
You guys look like you're comfortable and you're--
Yeah.
--comfortable with each other.
Oh, yeah.
How would you describe where you are right now?
I know personally for me, my feelings
just haven't gotten there.
So they haven't progressed past friendship for me.
And we've been spending quality time, like,
and we're doing all the things that should spark that.
At the wedding, if I remember it correctly,
there was a lot of touching.
There was kissing.
Was that real?
I would probably say it just was more in the moment.
Looking back, I think that we were in the mix of something.
But I don't think it was ever a point that it
was, like, a physical draw.
Yeah.
I think it was, like, kind of the expectation, right?
There's just so much weight-- - Like, oh, it's your wedding!
--on you in the moment. Yeah.
And there's so many people that came in town.
And it's just-- that's what people expect.
You know, when you go to a wedding, that's what you see.
But did you do that for their expectations,
or were you feeling some--
- I think both. - --being pulled together a bit?
I mean, some of it was kind of, like,
out-of-body experience.
And, you know, so I was, like, kind of going
through some of the motions.
But to gather our thoughts after the fact, I think,
like, what do you do?
What's your passions?
What are the things you want out of life?
Like, just the normal stuff that you would
do when you're courting somebody.
I know you, Gina, you were like,
let me try to make the best out of this at the wedding.
I have the tendency to look at things consistently
with, like, a positive mindset.
But other than us just being able to have
personable conversation and agree on business
and, like, support each other in that way,
I mean, to me that's legitimately been it.
So then what you guys want out of life are--
they're not compatible?
I mean, there's-- there's definitely lines
that blend into each other.
And then there's lines that deviate.
Yeah.
But that's normal for any couple.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, I'm not saying, like, there's direct alignment,
all that.
But yeah, I mean, there's-- there's also some, like,
we're both very business-oriented,
successful in our own rights, like, driven people.
So I think that's-- there's a lot of commonality there.
We have-- we have a ton of commonality-- like, no doubt.
Absolutely. Yeah.
No doubt.
That's-- that's not the problem.
What is the problem?
It's that physical aspect.
Like, we don't have that yearn to want to get
romantic with each other.
And that's the stopgap.
[music playing]
You agree?
Yeah, I think I agree with that.
Why do you think?
The physical attraction wasn't there in the beginning.
And I feel like we talked about, like, some personality stuff,
too, that I just feel like has been
a little bit of a mismatch.
For instance?
I think that Clint's personality is, like,
outrageous, and wild and fun.
And he's the life of the party.
And everyone is, like, consistently laughing.
And he brings this energy that's, like,
this sense of a bizarre energy that I've
grown to love about him.
At first I was like, hm-- like, it's the crass sense of humor.
Like, almost like a feeling of second-hand embarrassment,
which sounds terrible to say.
But for me, you could be the one that everyone's, like, laughing
at and you're the life of the party,
but it's not someone that you, like, are attracted to.
So I think that's one thing.
And then-- I don't know.
Through this whole process, I don't
think there's ever been a time that I really felt like a wife.
I don't know if I was waiting for that initiative of, like,
someone that wants to treat you like a wife,
or someone that wants to, like, go the extra mile to prove.
But, like I said, we've always felt like friends, so why would
he want to do that?
But if he had?
I don't-- I don't know.
I mean, I've-- I've questioned it.
I don't-- - Yeah.
Or, like, just the-- the active pursuing at all.
Like--
Pursuing.
--I never felt, like, any active pursuing whatsoever.
What do you think?
I don't-- I don't know.
I don't know.
I mean, have I taken on the full duties and responsibilities
that I feel like a husband would?
And what are those duties like?
- I mean, I-- - Because I don't--
I mean, I don't know. I'm not a husband.
Sure.
So if you could-- if you guys could give examples,
I might be able to see.
I mean, you know, like-- like--
like, I try to do thoughtful things for her, you know?
Like, we cook dinners.
I try to incorporate her in that.
Please don't take this the wrong way,
but a lot of the cooking is for Clint.
So, like-- - He enjoys it.
--I don't know-- yeah.
I don't know that it's necessarily, like--
- For you. - --I'm doing this for Gina.
Like, I'm cooking this meal-- - There it is.
--for Gina.
Like, this is-- I'm cooking this because I watch cooking shows--
There it is.
--and I love to cook, and I love to present, and I
love to cook for everyone.
So to me it was never, like--
I appreciate your cooking.
I love it.
But that wasn't something, like, I think at the end of the day,
like, I'm going to make this meal
specifically for Gina because she
loves-- you know what I mean?
I see what she's saying.
But what I'm wondering is, what could he
have done which would have made you feel like I
see Gina and this is what she--
she would really like or enjoy?
That's the thing, is that I'm not really sure of that.
I just don't know that there really ever was
intentionality as a husband.
It was intentionality as anyone that you care for-- the same
that you would do for Eris, or Chris,
or me, or Nicole, or anyone.
How did this just come up?
Why?
What-- what was the intent?
I'll take onus where onus is due.
I did not act in full capacity like a husband
like I could have.
And that's on me.
And I'll wear that, and that's on me.
But to sideline me out of nowhere with just,
like, this crazy information?
Like, we're at the end of this and then all of a sudden you're
like, Clint's this. Clint's that.
He's weird. He's creepy.
He's crazy.
Like, whoa!
Very interesting.
[music playing] Do you believe, or are
they just pretty little lies?