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just kill this Jeep ya how are ya how
cute that baby ram Oh little 2500 you
all that's that's really what happens
when you drive a truck this big isn't it
feels like everything that's more like
all how point
yeah and then the other thing is ok I
fit in there no benefit in there
probably make it fit you just take a
mall parking lot like you make the world
ends you remember the roof the roof oh
that's true yeah
again you make it fit the world bends to
will raise the roof
welcome to this episode of quick drive
with a Johnny print as always
Johnny this is not just shut up this is
was gonna say it's Johnny just shut up
Leland ah or Johnny wait shut up wait
shut up i wonder how long that joke is a
joke and ran out of steam to me wait
wait shut up is never gonna never okay
okay yeah it's kind of like something i
can't say right now it's like I want to
put minutes till unfunny on the screen
while all we do this we are in a 20-17
ford f-350 super duty motor trend's
truck of the year and we're going to
take it for a quick spin around the
block in around the office and talk
about
what we like about this truck and sort
of the crazy miss that is driving a
super duty truck in LA
alright I like a 925 pound-feet of
torque which lets me just sail like this
you know right
blasting past every lexus and infiniti
in Manhattan Beach 925 pound-feet of
torque so just for them perspective
crazy remember the bugatti veyron yeah
only 900 pound feet of torque
you know what I mean what's the Baron
couldn't go squad is this this canto
32,000 pounds that is really why I
didn't like the Veyron its bits for its
lackluster towing capabilities again
math is not my thing but I think that's
like eight Veyrons told their story of
Iran's math is not my thing but 925 more
than 900 yeah that's true is greater
than this thing is like the size of this
is a duly this is kitted out this is
huge but this is like less of a truck
and more of a place it's just so big
it's gigantic yeah it's huge are our
camera guy couldn't fill most from the
backseat because they're too far apart
yeah you know the lens would work like I
have to yell to make sure you can hear
me because it's so massive
but when you yeah but the drivers around
a bit yesterday when you drop when you
drive this you realize like man this is
not it's not a luxury vehicle
it really is yeah and we've been you
know thinking like hey whens for its
gonna do a luxury vehicle and it's
definitely there top-line trucks right
there
the Lincoln flagship is not the
Continental yeah that's right yeah it's
got leather you got really comfy seats
you've got two inches of wood but I
think it's more than do it but there it
is
yeah panoramic sunroof heated and cooled
seats and massaging thing happening on
that drivers you know it's I don't know
if it's massage for this is like a
circulation taking ok so they introduced
in the tourists under years ago yeah but
it's like air bladders just kind of
randomly fill up and so kind of it is to
keep the blood in your legs moving out
figure than your limbs don't fall asleep
on long drives
yeah I don't mean maybe it's buried here
somewhere I don't know if there is a
menu button on the side of the seat or
something
yeah although i don't want to turn the
street anyways it's all good
this this
for a 6.7 liter turbo diesel remarkably
quiet
oh yeah remarkably quiet it does sound
real trucking you gonna get like put you
to it's so good you expect it's not the
the semi-truck yeah you expect the truck
of this size and this power to have that
really semi-truck sound that sort of
vibration but well you barely feel the
engine you hear a little bit of you know
that diesel gravel but like it's
remarkably quiet and also the
acceleration I mean obviously we're not
talking about confit torque it's crazy
but like a vehicle of this man oh and
happy accelerating the way this thing
can be sure i can I mean I mean it
should be right but like it
no it's crazy again if you look at the
other vehicles that competes with namely
the the ram 3500 clear and numbers at
the same time you know this is a second
quicker to 60 miles an hour 76 286
second quicker in the quarter mile I
think this is doing like look at my
phone and long driving but you like 14
or 15 second quarter mile yeah which is
goofy it's considering ways 8600 like 40
pounds and integra back in the
mid-nineties would be lucky to run a
14-second quarter mile
yeah all i ever met everyone in the WRX
came out yeah uh it ran a 14-7 back in
2002 and people were like as good as a
porsche 911 and on here we are and we
don't say that as like a practical use
for the truck just to illustrate how
powerful it is looking at I always you
know we only make things tricky area we
have our six key criteria which
ar-ar-ar-ar advanced in design
engineering excellent huh value safety
and efficiency
huh and performance of intended function
is the most important one
yes but in ir always like to put in my
own personal little X Factor your work
area you would which is it okay to drive
in other words you could have a truck
never like seriously you don't think
that's answered in the other six now
because you could have advanced design
looks good inside school engineering
excellence on this thing hits that
madden 25 pound feet of torque
all kinds of cool Tony stuff a value is
good to drive is not in their safety not
their efficiency accountant their
performance and attendance function you
could say i would say all this thing is
designed to do is tow stuff and carry
stuff and it does that turns out it's
also great to drive i would say the
intended function of all vehicles for
them to drive well it prius I mean yeah
that's why didn't get my boat
what that nobody the intended function
of a Prius is a squeeze every last mile
out of again but all are should drive
well again that's why I throw that in
there has to be that's a technicality
this woody and yeah this thing home run
the criteria you even looks safety right
well Kate thousand pounds a nice safety
means but um you know radar cruise
control and in and if I don't hit the
gas pedal syringes in traffic yeah smart
yeah yes it should start beatin a break
anyways it doesn't have auto great e-fit
make it not working with the trailer
yeah if we don't test that out on public
streets don't know like you know how
many infinities do we need a fair point
fair point
there's a lot of g35 in the world that's
true that's true but anyways because
it's got like it's you know it's more
than a normal truck and nails every
single one yes right here including
value of because again this is you know
73 thousand bucks that's a lot of money
super duty world exists in that but the
right Jody in other words it's not like
other heavy duty trucks are are free
yeah and this 173 in fact we had a ram
3500 that was 77 thousand dollars so you
know it isn't is it a bargain don't
confuse down right at the next light to
confuse that's their problem but don't
confuse a value with a bargain yeah
right its its relative to the segment
yeah so that's how trucking your work
that all of the year work is not a
direct comparison between the contenders
that's right that is how they'll perform
relative to their segments
yes and and the criteria so that's how
we can have a complete of competition
where you have a honda ridgeline which
did not winter in the area versus a ford
f-350 we also by the way had f250 gasps
and
I don't know who on earth would ever buy
that this is a naturally aspirated 62
right yeah you know what I think it is
it's like government agencies whether
like we need a hundred trucks we don't
spend a lot of money
yeah they're like here you go yeah I'm
and we also had the had the f250 diesel
which was like just beyond cool keep
going straight and go straight go
straight to actually get freeway for a
big one huh okay yeah yeah let's play
dragon we can experience so one of the
knocks on Dooley's is when there's
nothing on the bed and there's no
trailer they ride for because they're
tuned to ride with wait
yeah you know you can't rightly put
32,000 pounds i cannot in the bed of
this thing essentially ok on the trailer
on the tree is only 7630 pounds in the
bit but unlike say the ram and other the
the super duty before this one and i
would even say that the Chevy the GMCs
this rides pretty good yeah you get a
little bit of that because it's just no
weight at all in the back
I mean something like I think it's
fifty-seven percent of weight on the
front 43 the backs of carrying those
heavy but also you just have those leaf
springs there waiting to be waiting to
be loaded up with something a lot of
something they don't have anything but
for did a good job
this rides you know we're going 15 miles
an hour because everyone is so slow but
you know it you're right i remember the
last time i did truck of the year a
couple years back and I drove a 2500 or
250 there was a super duty truck back
from Arizona remember parking it was
unloaded to road terribly it was so bad
i remember parking like I never want to
drive one of these ever again
yeah because that's that's how you know
grading it was for that six our
eight-hour Drive yeah and again this
isn't great you feel a little bit of
underage truck yet but i'll give you a
for instance um you know I I actually
drove this to the office at some point
down the 110 feet from my house beyond
downtown past downtown on the 110 one of
the worst stretch of freeway in the
world meet arm and this was ok the 3500
remember putting my notes it was it was
intolerable because yesterday
down yeah and again they both weigh the
same right they both make about the same
torque on it's just that for took the
time look feel smooth this is yeah this
is an unloaded duly it feels like a
luxury car it's because it is
yeah right its kind of true yeah that's
true but you know you you might like
laughs at the concept of a heavy-duty
luxury vehicle even though this is not
what the vehicle is being marketed as
but it's still really Pleasant i mean
that's that's that's why complain about
that kind of thing you know it's a nice
to have the functionality and ability
that this car this truck delivers in
that it's nice to drive is also a great
bonus right yeah and remember you're
good laugh all you want members really
laughing and that's for accountants
praised the everyone into work
yeah we have series as a whole you're
talking over 750,000 units how many of
that are super duties for is they
reluctantly love them all together
they're reluctant to say the best
guesses are one-third that means 250,000
vehicles like this are sold by Ford
every year that markup on these it's one
of the destiny of the markets of just
the sheer profit margin that's one of
the profit margin is is one of the best
in the industry right so you know if
you're making 250,000 of anything the
economies of scale dictate that it
doesn't cost that might build versus
what you sell it for
exactly so they're just print cash I
mean and no small wonder then that these
things are as good as they are because
they keep investing that kind of money
into it right and they all improvements
look at aluminum body but you you could
you could be you could be cynical like
you know some car makers are and do
nothing
you know you can just sit on it and like
oh here's our brand-new model with the
same engine in the same transition
toyota it but like four days like no
we're going to keep reinvesting in
reinvesting or make this thing we better
than it needs to be would not only way
better than competition but better than
I think truck buyers expect yeah you
know and again they have remote sensing
caps for the trailers tires so you can
real-time monitor the tire pressure of
the trailer towing which is
really into it but who would have even
thought of that there's there's no
there's a lot of cool solutions i was
looking going through the Super Duty
build your car builder truck thing on
the Ford website there's actually a
thing you can option that gives you
lemon tree remote telemetry on the truck
so if you have these in your fleet and
you have you know your employees driving
them us-eu how fast they're going where
they're at how long things idling for
all that stuff so for loves little like
37 singers like you know built ford
tough another one they use for their for
their trucks and their advances for owns
work and they spend a ton of time with
fleet guys what do you want yeah how
fast i want to know how fast my guys are
driving says I don't want them to get
tickets
I don't wanna crash and I want to keep
my fuel costs down yeah if they're going
70 miles an hour in a 65 I want to know
if they're going 80 I want to know it
because I can tell the guy you know so
so there's been a lot of time doing
something that so these seemingly empty
slogans for homes work with it
translates to as for spent a lot of time
thinking about this stuff and that they
just do really smart things that I don't
the competition isn't doing it makes
sense if you're a business owner to it
you're looking at buying a fleet of
these trucks what solutions does Ford
have over the competition that makes it
more appealing even if it even if the
price is slightly different right like
10 and downstream if it saves you money
because I can monitor safety liability
maintenance absolutely lost all that
stuff and I mean I you know we we didn't
direct comparison with with the ram 2500
into the ford f-250 and the ram 3500 to
this one the 350 and I mean honestly
with the exception of styling because
those Rams are beautiful i love i love
the way the the dually the fenders are
one piece or not tacked on
but again why does Ford have the tack on
fenders the the extension extensions
because we get in an accident you just
replace that part instead of replacing
the entire territories which is what
business guys care about needed to you
know to you if you're making insurance
claim whatever you know you pay your
deductible what's the difference but to
a fleet it's much cheaper and easier
just to replace a small piece and
replace the whole number
then replace the entire thing especially
with aluminum right yeah that's been the
knock against the aluminum is it is more
expensive repair because aluminum more
expensive and harder to work on
absolutely you know that said you know
again the court and I let you talk to
the corner Ford there's no difference i
I've heard anecdotally that is much more
expensive to get aluminum body trucks
repaired but again I haven't spent a ton
of time thinking about that i always
tell people like you know we're not
Consumer Reports we're motor trend we
report on new metal arm long-term
reliability why I wish we had the
capability and there's anybody have the
capability yeah it is yeah
elastic way it is we don't know we do
our long-term test with your fairly
useful
yeah but even that like you know that
Hellcat which I've been driving and
driving everyone driving you know just
crack 19,000 my lord which is a lot for
of motor and long-term car but in the
real world you know modern cars go
200,000 miles now before people dump you
need Heidi report on that is we're not
set up for it that's really tough but I
mean this thing nails clearly nails the
criteria for the truck of the year
column I got it
and again you know I the the performance
of intended function right now this is a
super duty this is a heavy-duty truck
you can put almost four tons in the bed
yeah what's ridiculous don't you like
like what are you gonna put back there I
don't know a boulder you find more so
when you're testing the tow test whether
you're acting with your math like I
would need we actually moved to the
Christian proving ground and they had
30,000 but they have they can build
entry yeah also these have some trailers
already and it was pleased 500-pound
iron blocks on
yeah so we just said would give us a
30,000 pound trailer so we had this in
the ram yanking the thing around and
like yeah man you totally want to be
driving the for testing trucks is super
difficult it's especially whether this
cable unless you have a facility
you got a dozen dedicated that it's
really true that's the other thing too
so like you know 30,000 pound you can't
legally just run out and do that now we
are close facility to help you
want yeah but um what's called cdls
commercializing says 3.5 yeah so i think
over 23,000 pounds yet commercializes
why don't we get commercializes well
don't do that
yes because you that so I not this is an
issue but if you get caught up with some
alcohol in your system in your civilian
point zero eight is the legal limit yeah
put 01 the legal limit of commercial
license if you get caught speeding one
mile an hour over like it's a much
bigger penalty than a normal civilian
lieutenant I mean you should always
drive safe and sober but the penalties
are way more significant yeah there's
really no advantage so so arm but we go
to this was proving ground we can do it
really safe spot controlled environment
yeah and you can see what you can put
30,000 pounds on a truck and go through
a song and not worry about running over
the previous scene xu that's good that's
a very important thing which is have to
worry about every day I'm had it up to
here with previous event it's like I i
need to get like one of the Russian dash
cams and just like chronicle the amount
of priests is going 43 miles an hour on
an on ramp there on an on-ramp I think
that'll wrap up this episode a quick
drive
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