- Why do you hate women?
- I wouldn't say I hate women.
I just believe in certain roles.
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[Interviewer] - Hi.
- Hello. - Hello.
- My name is Bailey.
- Hi, my name is Riley.
- I'm Charity. - I'm Emily.
- I am Chauvin. - I'm Peter.
I'm the anti-fascist but..
- [Interviewer] Feminist?
- Anti-feminist, sorry.
- [Interviewer] Can you each take turns of defining
what that means for you?
- I view feminism as a social movement
advocating for the equality of all genders.
- My view is anti-feminist.
We were born and raised and actually we tend
to lean in towards those traditional ways, so.
- Why do you think we brought these two groups together?
- It's really relevant today.
There's a lot going on in the climate,
so I feel like there's maybe even tension
between women in general because of it.
So
- Should we start with the shot?
- Sure. - Sure.
All righty.
- What are some stereotypes
you've heard about feminists?
- I imagine somebody with like hairy armpits
and like has period pad earrings and I'm like,
I don't like it.
- What makes you like feel that way?
- I don't know.
I feel like the media mostly.
- Sports bras and tiny pants and heels and trying to just
go above and beyond to make it known that it's my body.
I can do it what I want with it
and you can't do anything.
- I don't have sports bras or tiny heels or.
- You're not wrong.
Stereotype, not a hundred percent.
- It's all about body empowerment
and doing everything you can with your body,
with whoever you please instead
of waiting for the right person.
Or ignoring..
- They're sluts.
- Not sluts
but that not following, let's say nicely
the 10 commandments per se.
You know?
- Who gets laid more feminist or anti feminists?
- I would've to say feminists.
Anti feminists typically have a stereotype of not
exactly being sympathetic or empathetic towards women.
- I can see that, but at the same time I don't
see how being anti-feminist would delay a person
from being sexually active.
- It's all stereotypes, but..
- I mean, I would like to hope
that everybody's having some share of affection or love.
- Who gets laid more feminists or anti-feminist?
- I think feminists, just from what I've heard
especially from friends of mine that are women
when they're on dating apps and such
they have someone that they think is, you know
in that kind of sphere of not a feminist
or is a Trump supporter or something like that.
Then they'd swipe left.
Are you a Trump supporter Bailey?
- 110%. I think he did a really good job
at running the country.
- Since we're talking about feminism
what do you think of his comments on women?
- You know, people do say things and do things
and I don't think that people should be held accountable
especially for things that happened
years and years and years ago.
People can say things and still be kind genuine people.
- This is a tough question.
- Oh God.
- Why do you hate women?
- Is that really it?
- It is the question.
- My answer is I do not hate women at all.
- That's a good answer.
- Why do you hate women?
- I don't hate women.
The things that they're trying to stand for
I just think is a little ridiculous.
There's been so much time of us doing the same thing
and why would we wanna change that?
- I wouldn't say I hate women.
I just believe in certain roles.
- I need to make this very, very clear.
I do not hate women.
Every woman's beautiful in their own way.
I think the definition of feminism has changed
over the last 60, 70 years.
I've seen it move towards focusing
on women's rights and their reproductive rights
towards being really hateful towards men
and their ideals of what is masculine and what isn't.
- So if I'm understanding you correctly
you agree with the principles of feminism
but you don't agree with a certain segment
of feminists who you perceive to be more man hating
than they are about advocating for equality?
- Yes.
- This is a patriarchal society that is antithetical
to what feminism says, which is we should all be equal.
- Define has in quotations a woman.
- Define a woman.
- Yeah. - Hmm.
A woman itself as anyone who believes
that they identify as a woman.
- I mean, gender to me is a social construct.
- I do feel that definitions are hard.
But I do feel that a woman is somebody
who was born with a vagina.
That's my definition of a woman.
- When you're defining words
it can be super tricky to like get the actual definition.
Like how would you define a chair?
- Well, it has like a seat and a back and four legs.
- So a horse is a chair.
- Which group is more racist and why?
- Oh boy.
- It's a slam dunk for me but I'm curious.
- I think anti feminism, is it really pretty racist?
- I would agree.
- I'm more liberal on the side of anti feminism.
I think a lot of people who are more
more traditional are more racist towards that fact
and are willing just to stay with their groups.
- Why is racism have to come into it?
- Some of the first feminists were extremely racist
and did not want to include people of color at all
in the things that we were fighting for.
- Really? - Yes. That's why..
- Well, you just taught me something new.
- That's why women of different races were allowed to vote
at different time periods throughout history.
- Honestly don't know, I might just take a shot
cause I can't answer that question.
Can you answer the question?
- Yeah. I'd say generally I think anti feminists
are more racist.
- Yeah, I figured you'd say that.
Why?
- Because there's typically a lot of beliefs
that tend to go together.
- I disagree.
I mean and personally, I don't see skin color.
You're a human.
- I think it's an outdated phrase to say I don't see color.
And that was born out of not recognizing
the different experiences people go through.
For your your case you're saying you like to have
a traditional kind of household.
I don't think there's anything wrong with that
if that's what you want.
It's more about if you are trying to tell others
the way that they should live
and you're advocating, you know, politically voting
for people or wanting laws to get past that
keep things a certain way that restrict people.
- Why change something that's worked for so long?
- Maybe it works for some people.
- Why are feminists not getting right?
- It's not about us versus them.
Feminism at the end of the day
is about the ability for us to be able to work together
and pick the best viable person to do the job
no matter what gender they are.
- Do you remember when Trump first got elected
and there were the women's rights riots?
- Yeah, people had like the little pink hats
with the cat ears, the pussy hats.
I don't know what they were called.
It makes me think a lot about white feminism
and the way that feminism is expressed.
Like me included too, have to like check themselves
at every point and be like, am I listening
to people more marginalized than me?
Or am I like getting really excited about a movement and
and like doing something performative?
Like wearing a pink hat with cat ears.
- Give feminists one compliment or take a shot.
- I'm taking a shot on that.
- Let's take a shot and I'll give you all a compliment.
Clink. - Clink.
- I will say that I think feminists, radical or not,
are real strong.
Try to beat one down with your words,
I don't think it's gonna happen.
- I'll take that.
- I think feminists are amazing in the way of
they've made birth control, condoms, more accessible
and I think as well as promoting,
there being male birth control as well.
- [Interviewer] All right. Game's over.
- Woo. - All right.
- [Interviewer] How was that?
- That was really fun.
- Good conversation. Good conversation, yeah
I think it's conversations that people need to have.
- Yeah, I liked it. - It was good, it was,
I was prepared for way worse.
- Better than I thought.
- Yeah. I was like ummm.
- Yeah, I think it was good.
- I felt like y'all were coming here expecting more tension.
- Antagonism
- [Interviewer] And you all got along.
- Yeah. - Yeah.