everyone was able to say what they want nobody ever comes to me and says you can't say x nobody
ever says that to walshan no one ever said that to Candace but the reality is that there is
an Overton window at the daily wire Speaker 1: Ben Shapiro twisted himself into a logic
pretzel the other day, when he was interviewed by cultural critic and arbiter of ideas, Dave Rubin,
who apparently still is doing his thing. He has a YouTube channel. His content. I never come across
it anywhere anymore, but apparently Dave Rubin is still doing it. Ben Shapiro's Daily Wire recently
parted ways with Candace Owens. It wasn't clear whether it was a resignation, a forced resignation
or a firing. The understood reason for it is that Candace Owens has been saying things about
the Israeli Hamas conflict that are not in line with most of what you hear at the Daily Wire.
Ben Shapiro has made clear even though he's a founder, he is not involved in hiring and
firing. But here he is not talking about it and then talking about it with Dave Rubin, and he
says something super interesting. You've got to pay close attention to the vocabulary and exactly
what he's saying. See if you can pick it up here. Speaker 3: All right. So let's do the elephant
in the room for just a moment. Because I saw you this week on Piers Morgan. He asked you repeatedly
about Candace. You repeatedly basically said, I. Speaker 2: Won't talk about
that. What I'm trying to say here, too. Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's fine. And,
you know, it's interesting because we all sort of came up together to different extents,
and we've all done a million things together in public events and networks and all those things.
It seems to me that at this moment, she's now a free agent. She happened to end up on logo's,
which I created, and we were a platform, not a publisher, that you guys are. Can you at
least talk to just sort of just sort of where it's at now? She's not with you. She's free.
Speaker 2: She's free to do whatever she wants to do and to be wherever she wants to be. And the
difference between a publisher like The Daily Wire and a platform like locals is obviously that a
platform should have a very broad range of speech that it allows, including speech that maybe even
the creators don't believe is inside what they would consider to be the Overton Window. That's
a very different thing than direct subsidization of particular opinions. So the Daily Wire would
not have a host would not pay a host who was staunchly pro-abortion. They have no obligation
to buy a host who is staunchly pro-abortion. And so when it comes to the hosts on The Daily Wire,
obviously everyone was able to say what they want. Nobody ever comes to me and says, you can't say X,
nobody says it's Walsh. No one ever said that to Candace. But the reality is that
there is an Overton Window at the Daily Wire. Obviously there was a non meeting of the minds.
That's pretty much all I can say on this. Speaker 1: Am I the only one realizing this?
Incredible. It's in the same. It's not even like a couple minutes apart. It's not even 30s apart
in the same sentence he's saying at the Daily Wire, everyone can say whatever they want. You're
allowed to say whatever you want. No one tells you what to say. But obviously there are certain
things where if you say you won't work here, it's it's sort of like you'll be allowed to say it,
but then you'll be fired. So what exactly is that now? If I am super charitable, I get what
he's saying. And it's sort of similar to art. Remember the Russian propaganda network when it
was on in the United States? The art hosts would always say. No one ever comes to me and tells me,
you're allowed to say this, or you're not allowed to say that. You can talk this way about Putin,
but not that way about Putin. No. And of course, we understand, right? No one needs to come to you
and say that because you've been selected, you've been hired. You only work there because they know
you're the type of person who's going to say the things they want people saying. Now on the Daily
Wire, it obviously went haywire with Candace Owens. And so Ben Shapiro is in this weird way,
saying there's full freedom of speech here. We don't tell anyone what to say, but we do fire
you. If you say things we don't like, we let you say it and then we tell you that's outside of our
Overton window, and then you're no longer going to be able to work here. So I it would be it would be
less. Pathetic. If he was able to present it in a more honest way. And the entire framework of I'm
not going to talk about it, I'm not going to talk about it, but you're allowed to say whatever you
want. But if you say things outside of the Overton window, you're not going to work here. And there
was definitely not a meeting of the minds when it came to this issue. Let's listen to just a
little bit more here now with this context. Speaker 2: And, you know, a lot of this has
happened publicly, and then but, you know, to the extent that that the Daily Wire is in fact,
not a publisher, it is it that is, in fact, on a platform. It is a publisher. That means that there
is no moral obligation for the daily, and there's no free speech problem with the Daily Wire saying,
we don't wish to pay a particular host or that host saying, I don't wish to work here anymore,
because again, there's a parting of the ways that I'm that, you know,
is not really open for discussion. And so. Speaker 1: Listen, he's absolutely right about
that last part. And I don't know that anyone's making the case that Candace Owens had a right to
say whatever she wanted at the Daily Wire. I mean, it is not a free speech issue. He's completely
correct. There are all sorts of different reasons, especially when there is a public facing,
element. And it's just it's way more honest to say the reality. I wouldn't have guest hosts
on my show who are going to espouse certain views. Now, could I imagine a situation where I say, hey,
let's do something wacky, let's have a right wing host one day. And they don't represent my views at
all. Okay, maybe. But when I select my guest hosts, I don't tell them what to say or what
not to say, what to talk about, what not to talk about. But I'm selecting people that I think are
in line with what this show does. And if they came on here and they said the opposite of everything,
I believe they would simply not be asked back again, that that's that's all completely fine.
No one's arguing. It's a free speech issue. And Ben Shapiro focusing on there's no issue here. We
don't have we don't have we don't have to have pro-choice people here or whatever the case,
no argument whatsoever. But this you're always everyone's always allowed to say whatever they
want. It's just you won't be allowed to work here, depending on what you say. You're speaking
out of both sides of your mouth. If if it makes more sense to you what he's saying,
then it makes sense to me. Let me know. Maybe I'm the one missing something here.