Hi guys, thanks for tuning in to another video on ForgottenWeapons.com.
I'm Ian McCollum, I am here today at the Royal Armouries, the National Firearms Centre, in Leeds, England.
And I'm here today courtesy of Armament Research Services, or ARES.
Often when you get asked what was the first of something, that's a very difficult question to answer because
you're rarely dependent on one person coming up with an idea.
If it's a good idea, or looks like it would be a good idea,
you'll typically get multiple people coming up with it independently.
And so trying to figure out who invented something first can be more difficult than just
trying to track down the lineage of whatever version of that thing ended up being adopted.
However, that said, I'm pretty confident that what we have here is actually the first bullpup military rifle.
This is a Thorneycroft. It was developed in 1901 initially, by a guy named James Baird Thorneycroft here in the UK.
And he was looking at British combat rifle usage in the Boer War, the Second Boer War.
And one of the issues that did come up was British rifles being a bit overly long and clumsy.
What better way to address that than to move the magazine and the
... action behind the trigger mechanism, thus creating the bullpup design.
Now the British didn't ultimately adopt this. Instead they decided to take their rifle and just shorten it,
and hence we end up with the SMLE, the Short Magazine Lee-Enfield.
But Thorneycroft did spend a number of years developing this rifle and he wasn't the only one,
there were a couple other similar ones, like the Godsal that we'll take a look at in a later video.
But today I wanted to go and take a look at this, the standard pattern of Thorneycroft infantry rifle.
So it is indeed possible to have a bolt action bullpup.
This isn't something you could cycle from the shoulder,
but you certainly can fire it from the shoulder. So the grip is here, trigger there.
This is only fireable right-handed really, I mean I suppose you could shoot it left-handed.
This will recoil a bit into your face probably, and that's unpleasant.
The top of the bolt has this wooden cheek piece, so that's what your face rests on.
Interestingly, it actually has an aperture sight rather than a typical Lee-Enfield style sight. We'll take a look at that in a moment.
But to cycle this, it is a standard bolt action type of system, rotate it up, pull it back.
There is a stop lug back here so the bolt doesn't come off the back of the gun.
A 5 round magazine built into the action.
And this is not a Lee-Enfield conversion, this is in fact a ground-up different bolt action rifle.
It's got two locking lugs at the front, as opposed to rear locking lugs on the Enfield design.
There's our magazine. It does not have any accommodation for a stripper clip, so this would be loaded one at a time.
And it's interesting that the magazine is kind of angled downwards.
Of course it kind of has to be because of the space you have available in the grip here.
And that does make good sense for rimmed cartridges. That ensures that as the cartridges go down the stack
they move backwards, and that should prevent you from getting rim lock.
You see the basic bolt head here. Two locking lugs, extractor on the side.
This is going to just cycle back and forth.
It's pretty sticky, but I think they all are.
That goes forward (this, by the way I should point out, is serial number 28, it's marked on the bolt and the magazine).
Bolt locks in the downward position right there, and you are good to shoot.
So the safety on this is located right here. That should be safe,
but it doesn't appear to actually be quite working at the moment.
I don't know exactly what to make of that, but that should be safe, and that is the fire position.
The rear sight is pretty similar to the SMLE.
It is a tangent leaf sight, like so. Although interestingly it uses an aperture
instead of a rear notch.
The nose cap is not taken directly from an SMLE, but obviously patterned the same way, very similar style there.
And the front sight inside it.
Interesting to note that this particular example actually has volley sights on it.
These function just like the volley sights on the Lee-Enfields and the Lee-Metfords.
There are number of Thorneycroft carbines here at the Royal Armouries, and ... in fact
I think this is the only one that does have the volley sights. So that would be your rear volley sight,
this would be your front volley sight which you would rotate out.
But it's interesting to note that there are no range markings indicated, so this was
a trials gun, an experimental gun, a proof of concept sort of thing saying,
"Oh, and look we can in fact put volley sights on this if you would want them that way."
But they didn't go through the time and effort of calculating exactly where each of the range indicators would be.
Overall Thorneycroft was able to take about 10% off the weight of the rifle,
and take about 7.5 inches off the length, while still having the same overall barrel length. Not bad.
But you know it's not surprising to me that this wasn't adopted, it really does have some...
It may be handier than an SMLE, but it is rather a bit awkward to shoot, so.
It does still, of course, remain the world's first bullpup military rifle.
So firing drill on a Thorneycroft actually doesn't look that much different from a standard bolt action rifle.
It is a cock on open bolt, although it doesn't cock when you rotate the bolt open.
It actually cocks when you cycle the bolt backwards, which is a little bit unusual.
So the bullpup design has always gotten a lot of attention. People think they're really cool, and they are really cool.
They have gotten military acceptance as we see from things like the British SA80, the French FAMAS, the Austrian Steyr AUG.
But here we have the genesis of the idea. So very cool to get to take a look at this one.
I'd like to thank the National Firearms Centre for allowing me to take a look at it,
and ARES for giving me the opportunity to do so.
Definitely check out ARES blog post on "The Hoplite" for detailed high-res pictures of this rifle.
They'll be coming out at the same time as the video.
And if you are interested in doing small arms research on this, or anything like it,
definitely get in contact with the Royal Armouries. The NFC collection is not open to the public,
but it is available by specific appointment. So give them a call,
arrange an appointment and check out the cool things they have in the collection like this.
Thanks for watching.