That means I must put everything in its right place.
Right?
Because I have to live, I have to have food,
I don’t have to identify myself with this or that food,
I eat the correct food, and it’s finished,
therefore it has its right place.
But there are all the bodily demands, sex,
put it in its right place.
Who will tell me to put it in the right place?
You understand, sir?
My guru, the pope,
any scripture?
If they do,
I identify myself with them because they are giving me help
to put things in the right place, which is sheer nonsense.
Right, sir?
The pope can’t tell me: sex has its right place,
and he says, don’t divorce, marry,
your marriage is with god – all that.
And I am stuck.
Why should I obey the pope,
or the guru, or scriptures, or the politicians?
So I have to find out
what is the right place for sex, or money.
Right, sir? What is the right place?
How shall I find out what is the right place for sex,
which is one of the most powerful, urgent physical demand,
which the religious people say, cut, destroy it. Right, sir?
Suppress it, take a vow against it and all the rest of it.
I say, sorry, that doesn’t mean a thing to me.
So I want to find out what is its right place.
How shall I find out?
I have got the key to it. Right?
Which is, non-identification with sensation,
that is the key of it.
Right, sir?
So non-identification with sensation
which is translated in modern experience
– I must experience sex.
Right?
So that is,
identification with sensation makes the self.
So is it possible not to identify with sensations?
Yes, sensations, I am hungry,
but sex is a little more powerful.
So I have got the key to it, you understand?
The truth of it.
Right, sirs?
So, yes, I feel sexual, all right.
Non-identification, that is the truth of it.
If I really see the truth of it,
then sex, money, everything has its right place.
WR: In other words, may I say that you can see, you must see
or you see without the self. K: Ah, no, no, no.
WR: Identification is self. K: No, I said,
there is the truth
that identification with sensation, with this, with that,
builds the structure of the self.
Right?
Is that an absolute, irrevocable, passionate, lasting truth?
Or is it just an idea which I have accepted,
yes, it’s true,
and I can change that idea tomorrow?
But this thing is irrevocable.
One must have money
– money gives me freedom,
money gives you freedom to do what you like, freedom,
sex, if you want it,
money gives you a sense of travelling,
power, position – you know, all the rest of it.
So non-identification with money. You follow?
DB: And that means the end of desire for anything.
K: No, at the end desire has very little meaning.
But it doesn’t mean I am a dead vegetable.
DB: Are you saying identification gives desire excessive meaning?
K: Of course.
So, having put everything in its right place
– not ‘having put’ – I don’t put it,
it happens because I have seen the truth of this thing,
so everything falls in its right place.