Sadhguru, this morning, the four accused in the recent Hyderabad rape and murder case,
they were shot dead by the police in an encounter.
As a woman, I am quite disturbed with this series of events. But at the same time I feel justice is served.
Sadhguru, do you also feel that they got what they deserved?
Well, what happened to that young woman, unfortunately is not an isolated case.
And this is not just happening in this country. It's happening all over the world.
Just on the basis of gender, that a human being is brutalised in this way is happening everywhere.
It was at a much lower scale in this country simply because, till this generation, largely
women were protected, they were in, you know, indoors in their homes.
There was not much room for these things.
It happened with people that they know.
This kind of brutalization was not there because normally women were in protected spaces.
This the first generation stepping out and now this is on the rise. One terrible event after another.
One more brutal than the other. It's happening.
well If you are a close friend or a family of this young woman, definitely, you would want to do this.
Just let me tell you how it is.
So we were, I'm talking about a few years ago, two-three years ago, I was in California
and something similar happened in California.
And we were discussing this and different people saying different thigs.
Because I was with a group of people who are against capital punishment.
They don’t believe in capital punishment.
I also don't want to hang anybody, but at the same time when certain things happen,
not just as crime, somebody has taken absolute pleasure in tormenting, demoralising and
making a human being absolutely wretched.
They just didn't do it, they took enormous pleasure in doing it.
So this discussion is going on. And
this particular person who is an activist against capital punishment, it got very heated,
then I asked see suppose, because he had a fourteen-fifteen year old daughter, and the
case that we were discussing was somewhere near that kind of age group.
I said, “Suppose, something like this happened to your daughter, would you still say what
you're saying so vehemently.
What would you do?”
Then he sat back and he said, "I would gouge the guy's eyeballs out with my own hands.
I would cut his genitals, I would do this that everything.
And I would want him to die, taking three days at least to die."
I said, see.
So that kind of emotion is there in people.
Now the killing by the police, if you go this way, you will not have a civilized nation left.
If the police and the judiciary start acting upon family's emotion or people's emotions,
then there will be no rule of law at all.
In the process of building a civilised nation out of society, rule of law is not always justice.
Rule of law is not justice, rule of law prevents a whole lot of things that could happen.
Well, right now you must understand this, the rule of law is like this.
Suppose you have an automobile, you have a motorcycle.
And this guy comes and rides it away. And he hides it in his house.
So you gather a group of five people, go there, thrash him and take your motorcycle and come back.
Now you will go to jail.
This is the rule of law.
Because you are supposed to go and complain to the police.
So this looks totally unjust, but if we give up the rule of law, then jungle will come into the town.
Okay.
So whether the police shoot or the crowd lynched him, what is the big difference?
Actually crowd is standing in front of the police station and demanding, "Hand those
guys over to us we will take care of them".
They would have lynched them.
Well in the parliament, people are saying let's lynch them. Parliament!
Well, this is the emotion when you see the wretched thing that they have done.
No question about it, not that we have any sympathies for them.
But if you give up the rule of law and start doing these things, how do you know?
How do you know… this is the most unpopular thing to say, you will get me into trouble.
But let me say it.
How do you know, suppose I'm the police person, and today there's a huge pressure in the town
that this has happened, what do I do?
The first four guys who are sitting here, pick them up and say these are the guys.
And if I wait for two days, these guys are going to speak, so best thing, shoot them
or hang them in the prison and say they committed suicide.
That's it, case closed, my job is done. I get a medal.
I'm saying there are many many many loopholes to this kind of things.
So once you go into that region, then there is no control.
Right now, the nation's emotion is such that the right thing has been done to these four people.
Well, I don't want to go into the details of it, it could be anything but at the same time,
in the, in the cover of darkness,
if these four people had escaped, then what would the nation say?
then every one of us would be saying these police are so incompetent, they are no good for anything.
They are probably cahoots with them, maybe the policeman also raped that girl.
All kinds of things would come out. Journalism would go loose on everything.
So there are many aspects to it, it's a terribly sensitive matter.
But should we move towards going for quick justice.
The crime happens, tomorrow morning shoot them or hang them.
Well, if you bring back the kangaroo courts, then you will be taking a backward step in
our efforts to civilize this world.
Don't think the world is civilized, okay?
You have to constantly in every generation, move them towards civilization, constantly.
Otherwise they will go backwards with these emotions.
When something that's precious to me has been lost, then I will say let's break the law
and do this because it hurts me so much.
So it's a very unfortunate scene.
It is not for you or me to take sides, which is right which is wrong.
This is the unfortunate reality, but I would say largely this is a consequence of inordinately
slow judicial process.
That everybody knows if you go to the court, it is going to take ten years.
If my daughter is raped, do I want to wait for 10 years? Definitely not.
Right now, the other parents of the very another brutal rape and murder of Nirbhaya in Delhi,
those parents are saying "This is a good thing that happened, I want the same thing to happen
to the perpetrators who did the same thing to my daughter".
Why? After seven years, they're still not hung.
The sentence has been given, but appeal after appeal, they will go to a higher court and
a higher court, his whole life he will spend in the prison, and we are paying taxes for him.
Yes we are.
When somebody as level headed, when someone who's as balanced and level headed as Anand
Mahindra says, "I will volunteer to be a hang man", because they're saying there's no hangman.
Because everybody said no capital punishment, so hangman have been fired, no hangman.
So even if you give a sentence nobody to pull the rope.
When somebody like Anand Mahindra who is a very level headed and astute businessman,
when he says “I will volunteer”, you must understand that justice is too bloody slow.
Too slow. Inhumanly slow.
If we don't do something about this, this will become the norm. It's picked up momentum.
Country's emotion is with the police, which is not a good thing.
Long term, this is not a good thing for the country.