>>> AND LATER, MY EXCLUSIVE WITH A FORMER PROSECUTOR WHO
PERSONALLY TANGLED WITH DONALD
TRUMP BACK IN THE DAY.
>>> BUT WE BEGIN WITH THIS
MYSTERY THAT STILL HANGS OVER
THE REMARKABLE EVENTS OF LAST
WEEK.
WEEK. IT’S EASY TO GET OVERWHELMED BY
ALL THE DIFFERENT THREADS HERE.
PAUL MANAFORT’S NOW A CONVICTED
FELON WITH TWO TRIALS TO GO.
AND THESE LEAKS THAT HE MIGHT
PLEA.
PLEA. MICHAEL COHEN’S A CONVICTED
FELON, AS A LAWYER FOR TRUMP, HE
KNOWINGLY HELPED TRUMP BREAK THE
LAW TO INFLUENCE AN ELECTION.
ROGER STONE HAS DARKLY PREDICTED
BOTH HIS OWN INDICTMENT AND THAT
OF DONALD TRUMP JR. NOW THIS
WEEK.
WEEK. IT’S A LOT.
>>> BUT TONIGHT, EXACTLY ONE
WEEK OUT FROM THAT COHEN PLEA
DEAL WE STILL DON’T KNOW WHY
COHEN PLED GUILTY THIS
PARTICULAR WAY.
PARTICULAR WAY. WE DON’T KNOW IF HE’LL EVER
COOPERATE WITH THE FEDS IN NEW
YORK, OR BOB MUELLER.
AND WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT
THAT’S REMARKABLE.
THAT’S REMARKABLE. UNLIKE, SAY, STONE WHO JUST
RESISTS COOPERATION, OR MANAFORT
WHO FACED DOWN A WHOLE TRIAL
BEFORE ANY CONVERSATIONS ABOUT A
PLEA, MICHAEL COHEN HAD BEEN
OPENLY AUDITIONING FOR
COOPERATION.
COOPERATION. HE WAS LEAKING THAT HE HAD A
STORY TO TELL.
HIS NEW LAWYER LANNY DAVIS WAS
TELLING EVERYONE WHO WOULD
LISTEN, INCLUDING MY COLLEAGUE
RACHEL MADDOW, THAT COHEN KNEW
THINGS OF INTEREST TO BOB
MUELLER, AND STILL KNOWS THEM, A
TRUMPIAN WAY TO COMMUNICATE WITH
MUELLER, BASICALLY YELLING ON TV
COME INTERVIEW US.
AND YET THERE ARE ZERO REPORTS
UP TO TONIGHT THAT MUELLER’S
TEAM HAS INTERVIEWED COHEN.
AND COHEN’S OWN LEGAL TEAM
HASN’T SUGGESTED IT HAPPENED
EITHER.
EITHER. AND COHEN HAS NOW PLED GUILTY
WITHOUT THIS COOPERATION
AGREEMENT IN PUBLIC OF ANY KIND.
IN FACT, IT WAS IN THAT
REMARKABLE APPEARANCE TUESDAY
THAT WE LEARNED THE DETAILS.
OF COURSE, THERE WERE NO CAMERAS
IN COURT.
IN COURT. BUT THOSE WORDS, THEY CERTAINLY
JUMPED OFF THE PAGE OF THE
TRANSCRIPTS.
TRANSCRIPTS. >> JUDGE, NOW, MR. COHEN, YOUR
ATTORNEY HAS INFORMED ME THAT
YOU WISH TO ENTER A PLEA OF
GUILTY.
GUILTY. DO YOU WISH TO ENTER A PLEA OF
GUILTY?
GUILTY? THE DEFENDANT, MICHAEL COHEN,
YES, SIR.
YES, SIR. THE JUDGE, HAVE YOU HAD A FULL
OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS THE CASE
WITH YOUR ATTORNEY AND DISCUSS
THE CONSEQUENCES OF ENTERING A
PLEA OF GUILTY, THE DEFENDANT,
YES, YOUR HONOR.
ON OR ABOUT DECEMBER 2016 IN
COORDINATION AND AT THE
DIRECTION OF A CANDIDATE FOR
FEDERAL OFFICE I AND THE CEO OF
A MEDIA COMPANY AT THE REQUEST
OF THE CANDIDATE WORKED TOGETHER
TO KEEP AN INDIVIDUAL WITH
INFORMATION THAT WOULD BE
HARMFUL TO THE CANDIDATE AND TO
THE CAMPAIGN FROM PUBLICLY
DISCLOSING THIS INFORMATION.
I PARTICIPATED IN THIS CONDUCT,
WHICH ON MY PART TOOK PLACE IN
MANHATTAN FOR THE PRINCIPLE
PURPOSE OF INFLUENCING THE
ELECTION.
ELECTION. >> SO WE KNOW ALL THAT.
WHICH LEAVES A BIG QUESTION
HANGING OUT THERE.
IS THAT IT?
DOES COHEN BEG FOR LENIENCY AND
MOVE ON?
MOVE ON? DOES MUELLER KNOW SOMETHING THAT
WE DON’T AND HAS CONCLUDED THAT
COHEN’S JUST NOT AN IMPORTANT
ENOUGH FIGURE IN THIS RUSSIA
PROBE?
PROBE? WELL, TONIGHT THERE ARE NEW
CLUES.
CLUES. AND THE NEWS IS NO, BASED ON
REPORTING FROM HER SISTER
CHANNEL CNBC.
CHANNEL CNBC. WHILE MUELLER DID HAND OFF THE
INVESTIGATION OF COHEN HIMSELF,
MUELLER’S TEAM HAS CONTINUED TO
INVESTIGATE HOW COHEN FITS INTO
THE LARGER PICTURE, ASKING
WITNESSES ABOUT COHEN’S
INVOLVEMENT IN THE TRUMP
CAMPAIGN ITSELF, WELL AFTER THE
APRIL RAID ON COHEN’S PROPERTY,
WHICH OF COURSE IS WHEN THINGS
SHIFTED TO NEW YORK, STRETCHING
INTO MAY THEY WERE ASKING
WITNESSES IF COHEN DID HIS OWN
PERSONAL BUSINESS WHILE HE
WORKED FOR TRUMP, AND WHY SUCH A
LOYAL LAWYER FOR DONALD TRUMP,
NEVER GOT A JOB IN THE TRUMP
WHITE HOUSE.
WHITE HOUSE. NOW, THAT LAST QUESTION, IN THIS
NEW REPORT’S IMPORTANT BECAUSE
IT COULD BE OMINOUS FOR THE
TRUMP WHITE HOUSE.
IT GOES TO WHO KNEW WHAT ABOUT
COHEN’S LEGAL PROBLEMS.
DID PEOPLE AT THE WHITE HOUSE
KNOW ABOUT THESE NEW CRIMES THAT
COHEN HAS CONFESSED TO.
WERE THEY PART OF THEM?
DID THEY WANT TO KEEP HIM OUT OF
THE WHITE HOUSE FOR THAT VERY
REASON?
REASON? BECAUSE IT WAS ALWAYS CURIOUS
THAT TRUMP DID NOT FIND ANY
GOVERNMENT ROLE FOR COHEN.
CONSIDER THESE HIGH PROFILE
DEPARTURES FROM THE TRUMP
ADMINISTRATION, THEIR HIRING
POLICY IS PRETTY LOOSZE AND HAS
LOT OF PEOPLE COMING AND GOING.
COHEN WASN’T ONE OF THEM.
HE, HIMSELF, WAS CLEARLY
PUBLICLY SAD ABOUT NOT GETTING
ASKED TO DO ANYTHING.
AGAIN, WITH THIS NEW REPORTING
TONIGHT WE’RE LEARNING MUELLER
IS ASKING ABOUT THIS, NOT
BECAUSE HE CARES HOW THE WHITE
HOUSE IS STAFFED, BUT BECAUSE
THE CURIOUS AVOIDANCE MAY BE OF
INVESTIGATIVE INTEREST.
INVESTIGATIVE INTEREST. TO FIND OUT WHY THE FIXER AND
TRUMP EXECUTIVE DIDN’T GET
HIRED, WELL, THE PRESIDENT WOULD
BE A KEY WITNESS TO INTERVIEW
ABOUT THAT.
ABOUT THAT. AND TRUMP’S ALLIES ARE SAYING
THEY’RE GIRDING FOR A GRAND JURY
SUBPOENA FROM BOB MUELLER TO DO
EXACTLY THAT.
EXACTLY THAT. >> THE TACTIC OF THE TRUMP TEAM,
I HAVE NO INSIDE INFORMATION ON
THIS, BUT THE TACTIC OF THE
TRUMP TEAM IS TO MAKE THE
MUELLER TEAM AN OFFER THEY CAN’T
ACCEPT SO THAT IN THE END THERE
WILL BE NO SITDOWN, AND THE
TRUMP TEAM CAN SAY, LOOK, WE
MADE THEM AN OFFER, IT’S THEIR
FAULT, THEY DIDN’T ACCEPT IT, I
SUSPECT THAT MUELLER IS ON TO
THIS TACTIC AND IS NOW LOOKING
FORWARD TO FILING SOME KIND OF A
LEGAL ACTION EXCELLINGCOMPELLING
PRESIDENT TO APPEAR IN FRONT OF
A GRAND JURY.
>> I’M JOINED BY NICK AKERMAN,
BRENT NEWBORN, AND CHRISTINA
BELLTRAN.
BELLTRAN. THANKS TO ALL OF YOU, BERT, YOUR
VIEW OF THIS UNUSUAL STYLE OF
COHEN PLEADING AND WHAT IT
PORTENDS?
PORTENDS? >> WELL, I DON’T THINK IT’S
PARTICULARLY UNUSUAL.
PARTICULARLY UNUSUAL. TWO TEAMS OF PROSECUTORS, THE
NEW YORK PROSECUTOR THAT WORKED
OUT THIS PARTICULAR PLEA DEAL,
BUT THEN THERE’S MUELLER
HOVERING THINKING MAYBE HE’S
GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET MORE
INFORMATION FROM COHEN THAT WILL
TAKE HIM CLOSER TO THE
PRESIDENT.
PRESIDENT. SO IT DOESN’T SURPRISE ME THAT
THEY’RE OPERATING ON PARALLEL
TRACKS AND THAT I SUSPECT THAT
MUELLER IS GOING TO TRY VERY,
VERY HARD TO USE COHEN TO GET AS
CLOSE TO THE PRESIDENT.
>> SO YOU THINK THAT’S WHAT HE’S
TRACKING.
TRACKING. TAKE A LISTEN TO SAM NUNBERG WHO
TALKED ABOUT THE MUELLER
QUESTION.
QUESTION. HE’S BEEN INSIDE THAT ROOM.
>> I WAS IN THERE FOR AROUND
LIKE FIVE TO SIX HOURS.
AND THERE COULD HAVE -- A LOT OF
IT HAD TO DO SPECIFICALLY WITH
MICHAEL.
MICHAEL. AND THE FACT THAT THEY THEN --
THEY PUT OUT MICHAEL’S CASE TO
THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT MEANT TO
ME THAT THEY DIDN’T REALLY
BELIEVE THAT MICHAEL HAD
ANYTHING OF VALUE.
>> NICK, YOUR VIEW?
>> MY VIEW IS THAT MICHAEL COHEN
IS COOPERATING WITH MUELLER AND
HE’S COOPERATING WITH THE
SOUTHERN DISTRICT.
SOUTHERN DISTRICT. THE PLEA THAT HE ENTERED INTO,
THAT PLEA AGREEMENT WAS EXACTLY
THE SAME PLEA AGREEMENT THAT I
DID WITH A CLIENT ABOUT A SUMMER
AGO WHERE THERE WAS ALSO
CONTEMPORANEOUS COOPERATION
CONTEMPORANEOUS COOPERATION AGREEMENT THAT WAS PUT UNDER
SEAL AT THE SAME TIME IN THE
JUDGE’S CHAMBERS.
JUDGE’S CHAMBERS. I THINK THE SAME THING IS GOING
ON HERE.
ON HERE. THERE’S NO WAY THAT COHEN WOULD
TAKE A SIX-YEAR EXPOSURE THAT
THE ENTIRE ALLOCUTION IN THE
PLEA AGREEMENT WOULD BE TAILORED
THE WAY IT WAS UNLESS IT WAS
BEING ORCHESTRATED BY THE
MUELLER TEAM.
MUELLER TEAM. ON TOP OF ALL THAT, YOU ALSO HAD
THIS ODD SITUATION IN THE LAST
DAY WHERE LANNY DAVIS CAME OUT
AND SAID I REALLY CAN’T TELL YOU
WHETHER OR NOT MUELLER -- THAT
MY CLIENT KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT
THE RUSSIAN INVESTIGATION.
I CAN TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT
HAPPENED THERE.
HAPPENED THERE. HE WENT OVER HIS BOUNDS.
HE STARTED TALKING TOO MUCH
ABOUT WHAT IT WAS HIS CLIENT
DOES KNOW ABOUT THE TRUMP TOWER
MEETING AND OTHER ASPECTS OF THE
RUSSIAN INVESTIGATION.
RUSSIAN INVESTIGATION. AND THE MUELLER TEAM CAME DOWN
ON HIM LIKE A TON OF BRICKS AND
TOLD HIM THAT IF HE CONTINUED TO
DO THAT OR HIS CLIENT CONTINUED
TO DO THAT THAT THERE WOULD BE
NO COOPERATION AGREEMENT.
THAT IS BASICALLY BEEN THE WAY
THAT THE MUELLER TEAM HAS
WORKED.
WORKED. YOU HAVEN’T HEARD FLYNN SAY A
WORD ABOUT ANYTHING WITH RESPECT
TO THE RUSSIAN INVESTIGATION.
YOU HAVEN’T HEARD RICK GATES SAY
ANYTHING ABOUT THE RUSSIAN
INVESTIGATION.
INVESTIGATION. WE KNOW THAT THERE WAS ANOTHER
MATTER THAT WAS BROUGHT BEFORE
THE JUDGE IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA
THAT WAS DONE UNDER SEAL.
WE KNOW THAT CERTAIN MATERIALS,
RICK GATES’ STATEMENTS HAD TO BE
TURNED OVER TO THE DEFENSE AT
THAT TIME.
THAT TIME. THEY HAVE AN IDEA AND MANAFORT
HAS A GOOD IDEA ABOUT WHAT --
>> YOUR THEORY HERE IS THE
REASON WHY THE WAY IT LOOKS IN
PUBLIC DOESN’T MAKE SENSE IS
BECAUSE THE WAY IT LOOKS IN
PUBLIC IS NOT THE FULL STORY,
THAT MICHAEL COHEN DIDN’T JUST
PLEAD OUT OF THE BLUE WITH NO
OTHER IDEA THAT HE COULD GET
LENIENCY AND THAT LANNY DAVIS
SOUNDS WISHY-WASHY, NOT BECAUSE
HE’S A POTENTIAL IDIOT, BUT
BECAUSE HE IS RESPONDING TO
PRESSURES THAT ARE GREATER THAN
HIS PREVIOUS MEDIA STRATEGY.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
>> ABSOLUTELY. HE WAS BASICALLY TOLD BY THE
PROSECUTORS YOU CANNOT BE MAKING
STATEMENTS ABOUT WHAT YOUR
CLIENT’S GOING TO SAY.
I MEAN, THE REASON THAT LANNY
DAVIS HAS BEEN TRYING TO
HUMANIZE HIS CLIENT AND PUT HIM
OUT THERE IN THE MEDIA IS
BECAUSE THEY’RE TRYING TO RAISE
MONEY FOR HIS DEFENSE FUND.
THAT’S THE REASON THEY’RE DOING
IT.
IT. IT’S THE ONLY LOGICAL REASON YOU
CAN THINK OF AS TO WHY THEY’RE
DOING THAT.
DOING THAT. >> WHICH GOES TO THE CURIOUS
CASE OF MICHAEL COHEN, THERE’S
BEEN THE SAYING THAT MANY PEOPLE
THAT WORK FOR DONALD TRUMP ARE
RUINED BY IT.
BUT THERE’S ALSO SOMETHING THAT
HAPPENS WHERE WHEN DONALD TRUMP
RUINS SOMEONE IT DRASTICALLY
SHIFTS THEIR PUBLIC PERCEPTION,
ALMOST OVERNIGHT.
ALMOST OVERNIGHT. WE HAD REPORTING THAT MICHAEL
COHEN WAS BEING CONGRATULATED
AND HIGH-FIVED AFTER PLEADING
GUILTY TO CRIMES, WHICH IS
WEIRD.
WEIRD. JAMES COMEY WAS WIDELY REVILED
BY THE PARTISAN DEMOCRATIC
HILLARY CLINTON SUPPORTERS FOR
THE UNUSUAL CHOICES HE MADE, BUT
THEN BECAME SOMETHING OF A
PUBLIC HERO AND TRUTH TELLER.
LET’S LISTEN TO MICHAEL COHEN
HERE EXPLAINING THE ROLE HE WAS
GOING TO PLAY THAT WAS NOT
REALLY IN THE WHITE HOUSE, BUT
WAS STILL FOR THE PRESIDENT
BEFORE ALL THIS HAPPENED.
>> I’M GOING TO BE THE PERSONAL
ATTORNEY TO MR. TRUMP.
I’M NOT GOING TO BE IN
GOVERNMENT, BUT I’M GOING TO
REMAIN TECHNICALLY IN THE SAME
ROLE FOR MR. TRUMP FOR PRESIDENT
TRUMP.
TRUMP. >> THAT CLIP MADE YOU SOUND LIKE
SOMEONE WHO DIDN’T GET THE RING
SPINNING IT AS SOMETHING THAT
MUELLER’S INVESTIGATING.
MUELLER’S INVESTIGATING. WHY WAS THAT DECISION MADE?
HE DOESN’T LOOK THAT HAPPY ABOUT
IT.
IT. >> THESE ARE FASCINATING.
I THINK ONE THING I KEEP
THINKING ABOUT IS WHEN MELANIA
TOLD DONALD TRUMP YOU SHOULD
PICK PENCE BECAUSE HE’S CLEAN.
COHEN IS NOT CLEAN.
SO COHEN DIDN’T GET INTO GET
INTO THE WHITE HOUSE BECAUSE OF
REAL -- THERE’S A REAL SENSE OF
INTIMACY BETWEEN DONALD TRUMP,
THEY KNOW EACH OTHER.
THE BETRAYAL BETWEEN THEM IS
DEEP.
DEEP. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS I
THINK OF NOW IS THE PASSION OF
THE CONVERTED, YOU HAVE COHEN,
THEY’RE NOT JUST -- THIS ISN’T
COMEY, SOMEBODY WHO’S SORT OF
DOING HIS JOB, WE MIGHT DISAGREE
WITH IT, BUT WE KNOW HE DID WHAT
HE THOUGHT WAS RIGHT, THE
RELATIONSHIP WITH COHEN AND
TRUMP IS A RELATIONSHIP BUILT ON
INTIMACY AND PASSION AND THE
RAGE AND DESIRE TO GET BACK AT
TRUMP AND THE DESIRE FOR TRUMP
TO GET BACK AT COHEN, THESE ARE
NOW REALLY INTENSE RELATIONSHIPS
THAT ARE GOING TO IMPACT HOW AND
WHEN AND HOW HE SPEAKS TO
MUELLER AND IT’S GOING TO HAVE A
REAL IMPACT ON THE ENTIRE
POLITICAL DYNAMIC HERE BECAUSE
THESE ARE LONG STANDING
RELATIONSHIPS IN INTIMACY, THE
MAN WHO SAID I’M GOING TO TAKE A
BULLET FOR DONALD TRUMP NOW
WANTS TO TAKE THE GUN.
THAT’S GOING TO PLAY OUT.
>> ONE TREMENDOUSLY IMPORTANT
THING HAPPENED.
THING HAPPENED. THEY WENT IN WITH A SEARCH
WARRANT, AND GOT ALL OF COHEN’S
FILES.
FILES. THAT CHANGED -- THAT’S GOT TO
CHANGE THE WAY COHEN THINKS AND
TRUMP THINKS.
TRUMP THINKS. I THINK THERE WAS A PERIOD WHEN
THE PRESIDENT THOUGHT HE COULD
MAKE COHEN HIS PRIVATE LAWYER,
AND THAT WOULD MEAN AN
ATTORNEY-CLIENT RELATIONSHIP AND
HE WAS DROPPING A CONE OF
SILENCE OVER COHEN.
AND THEN WHEN THE PROSECUTOR
BROKE THAT DOOR DOWN AND GOT ALL
OF HIS FILES, THAT ENTIRE
STRATEGY WENT UP IN FLAMES.
AND AT THIS POINT, I THINK,
COHEN HAS PROBABLY TURNED ON THE
PRESIDENT AND TURNED ON HIM IN
SELF-DEFENSE BECAUSE MUELLER’S
GOT ALL OF THAT INFORMATION.
>> SO IN THAT COMPARISON THEN,
NICK, HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THAT
UNLIKE FLYNN AND OTHERS, THERE
IS NO PUBLIC STATEMENT OF
COOPERATION?
COOPERATION? IS IT JUST THAT, AS BERT IS
REFERRING TO, THERE’S SO MUCH
EVIDENCE TO GO THROUGH AND THAT
COHEN IS, IN MANY WAYS, HAS MORE
CREDIBILITY PROBLEMS THAN EVEN
MIKE FLYNN, WHICH IS SAYING
SOMETHING, AND SO THE
PROSECUTORS EFFECTIVELY WANTED
TO GET IN AND BEFORE THE 60-DAY
WINDOW AND EVERYTHING ELSE
COMING DOWN THE PIKE, YOU’VE GOT
TO PLEAD TO THIS WITHOUT
CONSIDERING --
CONSIDERING -- >> THEY WOULD NOT HAVE PLEADED
TO A SIX-YEAR FELONY.
THE IDEA THAT HE IS NOT
SUPPORTABLE, I MEAN, THE FACT
THAT THERE IS A SEARCH WARRANT,
THE FACT THERE ARE THESE
DOCUMENTS AND THERE ARE THESE
TAPES MAKE HIM ACTUALLY A MORE
CREDIBLE WITNESS.
CREDIBLE WITNESS. THAT’S WHERE THE CORROBORATION
IS GOING TO COME FROM.
JUST LIKE YOU SAW THE
PROSECUTORS WITH RESPECT TO RICK
GATES CORROBORATING EVERYTHING
HE SAID WITH DOCUMENTS IN
MANAFORT’S OWN HANDWRITING,
YOU’RE GOING TO SEE THE SAME
THING WITH COHEN.
EVEN ON THIS WHOLE ISSUE OF THE
PAYOFFS TO THE TWO WOMEN, YOU’VE
GOT TRUMP THAT SUPPORTS WHAT HE
SAYS.
SAYS. SO IN SOME WAYS COHEN IS GOING
TO BE NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY
OTHER -- ANY OF THE OTHER
ACCOMPLICE WITNESSES.
ACCOMPLICE WITNESSES. I THINK WHAT THEY DID BY HIDING
THE COOPERATION AGREEMENT IS
REALLY DETRACT AWAY FROM WHAT
COHEN REALLY KNOWS AND WHAT HE’S
DOING.
DOING. AND I THINK THAT MUELLER WANTS
TO KEEP THE ATTENTION ON THE
SOUTHERN DISTRICT RIGHT NOW, NOT
MAKE IT LOOK AS THOUGH HE’S
NECESSARILY THE STAR WITNESS FOR
THE MUELLER TEAM, WHICH I
BELIEVE HE IS, AND HE’S --
>> YOU THINK HE’S A STAR
WITNESS?
WITNESS? >> I THINK HE’S ONE OF THEM.
>> BECAUSE HE KNOWS SOMETHING
ABOUT RUSSIA.
ABOUT RUSSIA. >> HE’S ONE OF THE THREE STARS
ALONG WITH FLYNN AND RICK GATES.
>> AND MANAFORT IS --
>> AND MANAFORT IS ON DECK TO --
>> MANAFORT IS --
>> TO SUDDENLY BECOME THE NEW
CANARY.
CANARY. >> IT DEPENDS ON YOUR ANALYSIS
WHETHER HIS LAWYER WANTS TO MAKE
HIM A --
HIM A -- >> THE KEY THAT’S HANGING OUT
THERE IS COHEN.
COHEN IS THE LINK TO THE
PRESIDENT.
PRESIDENT. AND I THINK THAT MUELLER IS
PUSHING THAT AS HARD AS HE’S
GOING TO GO, MAYBE THROUGH A
SECRET COOPERATION AGREEMENT,
MAYBE THROUGH JUST PUTTING
CONTINUED PRESSURE ON HIM.
BUT IT JUST DOESN’T SURPRISE ME.
>> YEAH, AND LONG STANDING
RELATIONSHIPS THAT ARE BASED ON
A CERTAINLY LEVEL OF SORT OF
SELF-INTERESTED MISTRUST AS
WELL.
WELL. WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE
POLITICS OF CELEBRITY COMBINED
WITH THIS AND THE FACT THAT
COHEN HAS BEEN DESCRIBED AS AN
EVIDENCE HORDER.
EVIDENCE HORDER. WHEN YOU’RE DEALING WITH DONALD
TRUMP THAT MAKES SENSE.
SO OMAROSA’S POINT ABOUT HAVING
RECEIPTS, COHEN HAS TEN YEARS OF
RECEIPTS SO THE AMOUNT OF
INFORMATION HE HAS COMBINED WITH
THE EMOTIONAL DYNAMICS AT PLAY
HERE ARE GOING TO MAKE THIS