um you were you were on rogan a few times three at least three times so like that that must have been
like a big feather in your cap what do you think of everything that's happening with him now um
this this n-word clip dropped i mean they've been trying to like cancel him for a while over like
covered misinformation and uh now it's they're trying to get him on being racist and they'll
probably try transphobia and misogyny at some point like how do you feel about who knows some
people think he's being set up for a demise some people think oh spotify will never leave
him behind but like how do you feel like seeing this happen to him and from your throat what the
cause is it could be an ad campaign by spotify for all i know i mean you know edward bernays
man these guys know some stuff but how do i feel about it i actually was kind of resentful at rogan
for a while because he staged a social media intervention for me on one of his podcasts and
he intervention yeah you can watch the clip it's on youtube right now it's called uh joe rogan has
social media intervention with owen benjamin where he was like i love you dude but you misrepresent
yourself online and he read a few of my tweets that hold up great one of them was uh i don't want
slavery to come back but i kind of do so sean king admits he's white that was my joke it was yeah
it's funny it's totally fine and so back then it was like the devil you should be canceled you know
it just my twitter was nuts that's not even that bad of a joke like you're really you're not you're
not insulting anyone it's not even it's like a smart joke it's really about how people behave
it's about like you get people to a point and then it's like survival instinct takes over and all the
woke [ __ ] is left behind exactly that was the whole joke and everything yeah and uh you know
out of respect to your platform and audience i'll say n word even though like in my oh wow
he lets him rip yeah and then i have to go for me it's taking off shoes at a japanese house
it's like the the thing that i was against is you don't get to make me take off my shoes in my house
it's like if i'm in your house i'll take off my shoes out of respect nice i get that so anyway uh
so if i ever do your show do i have to go on my way to say it then no that'd be hilarious
and so uh what happened was uh like when i would drop hard ends on twitter it would always be
questions it would be like if a rapist called her attacker an n-word hollywood would be more
offended by the n-word than the rape and so people start reacting i know you're like yeah
that's just the thought yeah yeah it's like it's a fascinating thought because i never understood why
n word wasn't necrophilia which is having sex with a dead corpse versus the n-word is a derivative of
negra which is portuguese for the color black it's really not it doesn't i oh how dare you
there's so many trigger warnings it's like no but fundamentally what does the word marriage mean
i'm not against civil unions if you and your best buddy gary want to get an apartment together and
start a tea company go ahead but like marriage is a word that exists so anyway um so then people
would respond i'm like and i haven't even said the color of the woman what the woman
is black and then can she call her attacker and work what if they were friends and like
what if they did a wrap they did a rap album together what if they yeah it's like what if
she's half what if someone is jamaican mixed with and basically i was painting the picture of like
the n-word spell is ridiculous it's like who gets to say it why what does power mean why
are you offended by a word and not rape you know and so this is even before the metoo movement so
i'm showing that hollywood i am a trendsetter i might have started the metoo movement
but anyway so i'm sure i'm showing that hollywood isn't offended by rape i'm like
the fir all they could see is the that word and so um so rogan has this intervention with me and
i got kind of resentment aft uh resentful later because i think that that painted kind of the
narrative to get me canceled from everything because it shows the alpha of comedy that i had
a lot of respect for and he was kind of like the don corleone of comedy and so when the guy with
the ring says to like you know change you should change and i don't change so i'm like do you think
it was possibly like an opportunity for him to be like oh we're talking about this now you have
now you can go a new way like do you think in some some part of it was him being like he was trying
to help you yeah i'm trying to like save you or whatever from like cleanse your past or something
like yeah maybe i i no longer i'm not going to sign attention to it at all anymore because i
did get i got a little paranoid about it i was like was that like a thing that he was told to do
you know and then i'm like right now usually that's not it sometimes it is that with
certain things but i'm like who even cares it's fine i'm fine but so now i was waiting years
to see him in this very position and honestly when i saw it i was kind of bummed out i'm like
because i grew up listening to rogan and uh i like that he can hold the line and sprinkle in some
truth more than mainstream and so to see him say that he's the most ashamed of saying the n-word
i was like kind of sad for him because like you know but do you think that's his own that's coming
from his heart do you think he's kind of being no no no no no of course not i mean that's the march
yeah it's a 100 a marching order and so um i think in his defense he would probably i don't
really know but in his defense it's like we have bigger battles to fight i need to keep my platform
so that i can drop a little vaccination truth or something and i understand that but and so
i'm not i have no resentment towards him at all but uh i do make fun of his height and stuff but
like that's what i do i make fun of just dumb stuff but um yeah but i i i you know i i don't
want to see him fall to be honest with you because it's like we just lose another guy out there and
i like that he does comedy and i don't know it's just like it doesn't hurt me at all what happens
to him and so i don't know i i just i just hope more people see that words aren't inherently
malicious you can't have a bad word i teach my kids that there are weak words not bad words so
it's like like nice and fine are weak words like when mommy says she's fine and and that's nice
i know that she's lying you know yeah deception is weak you know so but i i don't i don't swear
on my kids like i don't even say stupid because i don't want them to repeat words that would make
people not like them that's like my job right now as a dad sounds like a jordan peterson
rule yeah one of his rules and one of his rules should be don't do methamphetamines in russia
but um maybe that'll be in the next book you see what i mean though it's like that's just funny
and so if i tweeted that though i'd get like nine interventions of like clean your room and don't
do methamphetamines in russia i know anyone who's ever done any form of methamphetamines
including adderall knows that the first thing you want to do is clean your freaking room
you can't help it you clean everybody else's room in the house you're you're like you know you're
cleaning washing a coffee machine you get a lot of people oh you're like clean your room buckle
and you're like are you on meth again you're like yeah you're polishing and organizing so yeah i
i want to i don't i want to see people become aware that a word isn't inherently evil or like
making fun of a group doesn't mean you want to hurt them physically you know i would love that
but i don't think people are going to see that so i'm going to keep building what i'm building and
growing my family and talking interesting people like you and just living my life you know you know
what it is i think my words have gotten more power than they should have is uh is because people
want to feel stable and powerful and and it's easier to make it about a microaggression or
racism or sexism than to actually take the time to self-reflect and be like what do i need to do
do i have to build my team do i have to build i have to go to therapy and
work on my [ __ ] how do i start a business how do i self how do i build
whatever i'm supposed to build with my with my you know god-given life
uh that's true power nobody can knock that down that's the real self-esteem but it's
so much easier just take a picture of your tits and throw it on instagram and get 100 likes it's
so much easier to say oh microaggression and now you have the power instead of like living a life
that is powerful and it's just it's a quick fix so that's why it's uh attractive to people i'm gonna