>> We're in the holiday season, which means tons of holiday themed rom-coms
to appeal to a lot of different people and that is where Ben Shapiro gets a little bit
whiny. Because apparently this year Hulu has one of their holiday related romantic movies
features, a lesbian couple, and that infuriates him.
But not really, because he's going to keep saying that they're allowed to do whatever they want,
but he knows that he his whole grift is complaining about social stuff like this,
so he's trying to have it both ways. So here's a little bit of his commentary for this week.
So Hulu decided this year they were gonna make their holiday pitch a lesbian romcom,
not listen. Then whatever they want, free country company can do it once.
Typically when you're talking about a religious holiday, which is what Christmas is. I mean,
it is a secular holiday for many Americans, but it also happens to be religious holiday.
Typically, you celebrate that by celebrating things that don't directly cut against a lot
of religious sensibilities. But that's the direction who has gone. And they've
gone that direction so far. They've decided the entertainment industry that they have to
go to places like Hallmark and browbeat them into making pieces on lesbian and gay couples.
Even though the main constituency for Hallmark is largely religious families with small children.
Now that's the product of all. These are free companies. They can do what they want,
but it means that conservatives can and should build alternatives.
And I'm not even saying that it's terrible to make a movie about its lesbian romcom.
Make whatever you want. All I'm saying is that if you are a conservative,
conservative sensibilities at a certain point, you might get sick of the fact that Hollywood
only wants to make the kinds of movies that you despise an only wants to make.
Kind of movies that slap your sensibilities in the face and treat you like you're a fool.
Again, that movie from who will? Apparently I haven't seen it yet, so I'm going by the reviews,
which are of course 100% positive. The movie is all about how conservative family learns that all
of their religious values have been a bunch of crap for years, which is always exciting news.
>> OK, so yes I will give you first crack at this. So he has. He has an issue with the fact that
Hulu is trying to appeal to a lesbian or LGBTQ audiences, or just people who don't mind seeing
couples that don't look exactly like themselves. What do you think about his critique of that?
>> I haven't listened to Ben Shapiro speak in a long time and I forgot to
how much. I don't like listening to him speak,
but that's what I was dealing with during that entire clip. But also, what's the problem? These
conservative. They still have the Hallmark Channel and just go to the Hallmark Channel.
If you don't want that, go to Hulu. What's the problem? Why is this a thing,
but you know, as someone who has been known to watch many a Hallmark movie
in my time, they're all terrible, and they're also predictable. They're all the same thing, you know.
But more importantly, you always see the same white American couples.
You know it's always. The young bright blonde girl from the big city and she goes back to
her small town and you know, find the meaning of Christmas and falls in love,
right? That's how every single one of these movies goes as far as introducing LGBT couples into it.
Or even you know more races and just white people. That would be fun too.
It doesn't really contradict the conservative values.
That depends on how you look at it. I guess you know for evangelicals,
absolutely it does. But as far as like family and Christmas, all that is still part of America.
It's still part of people you know. I think conservative Americans really want to hone in on
this one very narrow view of what Americans should be an the reality that they're fighting against it
just imploding in on them and they can handle it. So, let him complain about what who lives up to.
Its fine. Progress happens whether or not people want it to happen. It just does. You
have conservatives, you have obstruction of people who want to. Everything that stay the same. It's
not going to. Nothing ever stays the same. So in and of itself, their platform is flawed though.
>> Yeah, he can say whatever he wants. I, I hope that especially because most of his work is online
that if we can save a few people from his thing, that's a good thing in his thing is he speaks
really, really fast with the aura that he's making some sort of logical, cogent argument.
But those two things are actually quite related because he speaks so fast that you don't realize
how many ways he's undercutting his own argument. So I have his argument actually written out in
front of me. So just briefly, let's go through a few of the issues with the case that he's mean.
Overall case is it's totally fine for them to do whatever they want,
and indeed I'm a massive capitalist, so that's what I want. I want them to make
whatever they want, and I want them to make a product that's gonna sell, but also I have to
make a product of the product is complaining about their product, so I have to pretend that
it's an issue even though I keep saying it's an issue, which is sort of an issue for him.
But inside of this he says typically Christmas is a religious holiday. This is what Christmas is.
I mean, it's a secular holiday for many Americans, but it also happens to be religious holiday.
Typically you celebrate that bye. Celebrating things that don't directly cut against a lot of
religious sensibilitiesc, but you just said it's not a religious holiday for a lot of Americans.
For some it's a secular holiday. I would say for the vast majority,
but we can quibble about the numbers. Why then wouldn't some of the movies appeal to those who
celebrate Christmas as a religious thing? And some would appeal to people who don't. You just said
that there's those two markets, but you don't want them to exploit those two mark markets.
He then says that the enter entertainment industry has gone to Hallmark. In Hulu to browbeat them,
what are you talking about? Like the entertainment industry isn't going to
those things there. The one making the movies that doesn't make any sense and Hallmark still
makes as Yasmin was saying, tons of stereotypical straight white, snowy white Christmas movies.
They've made tons of them later in the argument, he says. At a certain point,
sure, they could do whatever they want, but don't you get mad that they only make the
sort of crap that makes fun of you? What are you talking about? They make dozens
of these movies every single year that are specifically designed to people like you.
That want your couple to be straight and white and you want your waps to not be wappy? They
make those for you all day long. They have like literally one for lesbians. It's so few that you
can focus on it specifically on your show, and I think Hallmark had one with a gay couple like one.
Even if they stopped, which they never going to. You could go back and you could watch hundreds
and hundreds of horrible repetitive formulaic movies, if that's what you actually wanted, but
you don't want that. He doesn't care about this movie, he just admitted he's not gonna watch it.
He has no idea if it's any good. The only evidence he provides is that the reviews
are really positive, but he finds that to be proved that's bad. Not that it's good and he
tomorrow isn't even going to remember that it exists. It is that digestible bit of right
wing fast food that he is offering up to his audience that he gets them all worked up about.
If you asked him what his political philosophy is about going forward, his politics or about,
he would say its fiscal responsibility and some sort of real politic,
foreign policy and yet his show always ends up being about stuff like this.
And he he cares so little that he can't even prosecute the case against the undercuts.
In 1000. Different ways. By the way, if you want to go on media matters, you can read it
for yourself. It falls apart in even the most shallow rewriting of what he's saying there.
>> And I was interesting to what you said about. There's so many other movies that
he could be watching, but he's worried about this one and it's almost like this lesbian
Christmas movie is insulting him personally, as a straight white Christian man, it's like.
True feel sorry for you Ben Shapiro. Who's sympathy? Are you looking for right now? And were
you expecting to find it? 'cause it's not here? You know it's really. It's really hard when there
is. Yeah, like hundreds of terrible Christmas movies and then one lesbian one. Who cares?
There's more important
things to worry about right now. >> Argument is, yeah, he would say
the only point I'm trying to make is that conservatives and religious conservatives
need to make their own movies. Be talking about. Dude, they already do. There are multiple
companies that do that. I don't remember the guys name the guy that like in the 80s was in six.
>> Kevin Sorbo exactly. And how did those doing still really bad? Now that Kurt thank
you more followed. >> Kurt Camera Yeah, well his sister.
She's in all those Hallmark Movies now. >> Who is it? Who is the sister?
>> Yeah, this infuriates me to no end. No, it doesn't.