>> WHY DO YOU NEED TO GET ON THE PLANE?
PLANE? >> YOU NEED TO GET ON THE NEXT
PLANE HOME, YOUR SAFETY DEPENDS
ON IT.
ON IT. >> SO WE TALK ABOUT MICHAEL
McKINLEY.
McKINLEY. LET’S GET INTO SOME OF HIS
TESTIMONY.
TESTIMONY. THE CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEES
RELEASED A DEPOSITION OF FORMER
AMBASSADOR MICHAEL McKINLEY.
THE TRANSCRIPT HE RECENTLY
RESIGNED AS SENIOR ADVISER TO
SECRETARY OF STATE MIKE POMPEO.
ON HIS DECISION TO TEP DOWN, HE
TOLD IMPEACHMENT INVESTIGATORS,
QUOTE, IN THIS CONTEXT FRANKLY
TO SEE THE EMERGING INFORMATION
ON THE ENGAGE MENLTMENT OF OUR
MISSIONS TO PROCURE NEGATIVE
POLITICAL INFORMATION FOR
DOMESTIC PURPOSES COMBINED WITH
THE FAILURE I SAW IN THE
BUILDING TO PROVIDE SUPPORT FOR
OUR PROFESSIONAL CADRE IN A
PARTICULARLY TRYING TIME, I
THINK THE COMBINATION WAS A
PRETTY GOOD REASON TO DECIDE
ENOUGH.
ENOUGH. THAT I NO LONGER HAD A USEFUL
ROLE TO PLAY.
McKINLY SAID POMPEO’S DECISION
NOT TO ISSUE A STATEMENT IN
SUPPORT OF FORMER U.S.
AMBASSADOR YOVANOVITCH FOLLOWING
A RELEASE OF THE TRANSCRIPT OF
THE PRESIDENT’S JULY 25th PHONE
CALL OF THE PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE
CONTRIBUTED TO McKINLEY’S
RESIGNATION.
RESIGNATION. McKINLEY SAID HE RAISED THE
ISSUE WITH POMPEO DURING THREE
SEPARATE CONVERSATIONS BUT GOT
NO RESPONSE.
NO RESPONSE. THAT DIRECTLY CONTRADICTS WHAT
POMPEO SAID LAST MONTH THAT
McKINLEY HAD NEVER RAISED ANY
CONCERNS.
CONCERNS. >> MIKE McKINLEY SERVED ME WELL
FOR A YEAR AND A HALF.
I CHOSE HIM, I HAD PEOPLE TELL
ME HE WAS A GREAT FOREIGN
SERVICE OFFICER.
SERVICE OFFICER. IN FACT, HE SERVED AMERICAN
WONDERFULLY FOR 37 YEARS.
HE HAD, IN FACT, HAD THE OFFICE
THAT WAS JUST BEHIND MINE, HAD A
DOOR THAT HE COULD WALK IN ANY
TIME AND SAY WHATEVER HE WANTED.
YOU KNOW, FROM THE TIME THAT
AMBASSADOR YOVANOVITCH DEPARTED
UKRAINE
UKRAINE UKRAINE UNTIL THE TIME THAT HE
CAME TO TELL ME THAT WAS
DEPARTING I NEVER HARD HIM
DEPARTING I NEVER HEARD HIM SAY
A SINGLE THING.
NOT ONE, GEORGE, DID McKINLEY
SAY SOMETHING TO ME DURING THAT
TIME PERIOD.
TIME PERIOD. >> AND McKINLEY TESTIFIES UNDER
OATH THAT HE WENT TO POMPEO
THREE TIMES AND DISCUSSED THAT.
McKINLEY ALSO TESTIFIED THAT HE
SPOKE TO STATE DEPARTMENT
OFFICIAL GEORGE KENT WHO FELL
THE STATE DEPARTMENT WAS USING
BULLYING TACTICS TO TRY TO
PREVENT HIM FROM COOPERATING
WITH CONGRESS.
WITH CONGRESS. KENT TOLD McKINLEY HE THOUGHT A
STATE DEPARTMENT LAWYER WAS
TRYING TO SHUT HIM UP WHICH LED
DOENT WRITE
DOENT WRITE KENT TO WRITE A MEMO OVER
BULLYING AND INACCURACIES BY
POMPEO LAST MONTH ACCUSING
CONGRESS OF WHAT RATION STATE
DEPARTMENT EMPLOYEES.
DEPARTMENT EMPLOYEES. THEY SAY HE SHARED KENT’S MEMO
BUT RECEIVED NO ANSWERS.
>> MY GOODNESS.
>> I WANT TO READ ONE MORE QUOTE
FROM AMBASSADOR McKINLEY IN THE
TRANSCRIPT THAT CAME OUT
YESTERDAY.
YESTERDAY. QUOTE, IN 37 YEARS IN THE
FOREIGN SERVICE AND DIFFERENT
PARTS OF THE GLOBE AND WORKING
ON MANY CONTROVERSIAL ISSUES,
WORKING TEN YEARS BACK IN
WASHINGTON, I HAD NEVER SEEN
THAT.
THAT. AND HE’S TALKING ABOUT THE IDEA
OF USING FOREIGN SERVICE
OFFICERS IN A SHADOW FOREIGN
POLICY TO DIG UP DIRT FOR THE
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
ON A DOMESTIC POLITICAL
OPPONENT.
OPPONENT. PRETTY CUT AND DRIED AND CLEAR
FROM HIS TESTIMONY.
>> NO QUESTION.
AND VERY DAMAGING TESTIMONY.
THERE IS A USING GOVERNMENT
RESOURCES AND, OF COURSE ARE THE
PRESIDENT’S PERSONAL ATTORNEY
RUDY GIULIANI TO RUN A SHADOW
FOREIGN POLICY IS ANOTHER
EXAMPLE OF ANOTHER NORM THAT HAS
BEEN SHATTERED BY THIS PRESIDENT
AND ONE WITH A HOLLOWED OUT
STATE DEPARTMENT.
STATE DEPARTMENT. BUT IT HAS REAL WORLD
CONSEQUENCES.
CONSEQUENCES. AMBASSADOR TAYLOR TESTIFIED A
FEW WOOKS AGO ANDEEKS AGO AND WE
ABOUT HIS OPENING STATEMENT
ABOUT HOW HE WOULD LOOK ACROSS A
BRIDGE IN UKRAINE AND BELIEVE
THAT REAL LIVES WERE IN JEOPARDY
BECAUSE THE UNITED STATES WAS
NOT GOING TO PROVIDE MILITARY
AID TO UKRAINE UNLESS IT WENT
ALONG WITH THE PRESIDENT’S PUSH
TO INVESTIGATE A POLITICAL FOE,
IN THIS CASE JOE BIDEN AND HIS
FAMILY.
FAMILY. AND ALSO RETURNING TO THE
WHISTLE-BLOWER THING.
WHISTLE-BLOWER THING. IT’S RECOMMEND NITREMINISCENT OF
THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION WHERE
THEY TRY TO UNDERMINE THE CAREER
CIVIL SERVANTS, THE DEEP STATE
TO RUSH CRUSHCRUSH THE ENTIRE TH
THEY’RE TRYING TO SELL THE
AMERICAN PUBLIC THAT YOU CAN’T
TRUST THE PEOPLE RUNNING THIS
INVESTIGATION SO THEREFORE YOU
SHOULDN’T TRUST THE FACTS THAT
THEY FIND.
THEY FIND. THAT’S WHITE PRESIDENT IS SEARCH
FOG ARE ANY SORT OF DEFENSE HERE
AND UMMINGCOMING UP EMPTY IN ONE
CAN REBUT THE FACTS HAS FIXATED
ON THIS WHISTLE-BLOWER WHO’S
IDENTITY HAS BEEN FLOATED OUT
THERE ALREADY IN CONSERVATIVE
MEDIA OUTLETS.
MEDIA OUTLETS. THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF, THOUGH IT
WOULD BE ILLEGAL, MAY TWEET OUT
THIS IDENTITY BEFORE TOO LONG.
AND THEY’RE TRYING TO HAVE IT AS
A RALLYING CRY.
AS MUCH AS THEY’RE STUCK WITH
THE IDEA NOW THAT, YES, HE
COMMITTED A QUID PRO QUO, BUT A
QUID PRO QUO, MAYBE THAT’S NOT
BAD, THESE THE NEW TALKING POINT
FOR REPUBLICAN SENATORS, THEY’RE
GOING AFTER THE WHISTLE-BLOWER.
LAST NIGHT THAT THE RALLY THERE
WERE A FEW DOZEN PEOPLE SITTING
BEHIND THE STAGE WHO HAD NEW
CAMPAIGN T-SHIRTS THAT SAID READ
THE TRANSCRIPT, BECAUSE THEY
BELIEVE THE TRANSCRIPT
EXONERATES THE PRESIDENT, THE
TRANSCRIPT OF HIS CALL WITH THE
UKRAINIAN LEADER EVEN THOUGH OF
COURSE IT’S THAT VERY TRANSCRIPT
THAT HAS LAUNCHED THIS PROBE AND
SEEMS TO VERY MUCH INDICATE
PLAIN AS DAY THERE WAS A QUID
PRO QUO.
PRO QUO. >> IT’S ALSO NOT A TRANSCRIPT,
THAT’S THE OTHER THING TO POINT
OUT AS IT SAYS ON PAGE ONE OF
THE NONTRANSCRIPT, IT’S NOT A
TRANSCRIPT.
TRANSCRIPT. MIKE, IN ORDER TO BELIEVE THE
PRESIDENT’S CASE HERE THAT HE
DID NOTHING WRONG, YOU HAVE TO
BELIEVE THAT BOB MUELLER AND
BILL TAILOR AND MARIE
YOVANOVITCH AND LIEUTENANT
COLONEL VINDMAN AND A LOT OF
PEOPLE WHO SERVED THIS COUNTRY
FOR A LONG TIME UNDER
REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS ARE
ALL LYING, THAT THEY PUT THEIR
HAND UP, THEY SAT DOWN FOR A
DEPOSITION, AND MADE UP STORIES,
PERHAPS, I DON’T KNOW, GETTING
TOGETHER AND THINKING OF WHAT
THE STORY COULD BE.
IT’S ALL OUT HERE NOW.
IT’S ALL OUT IN FRONT OF US.
>> YEAH.
>> YEAH. >> SO YOU -- IT DEFIES
CREDIBILITY THAT ALL OF THESE
PEOPLE GOT TOGETHER TO MAKE UP A
LIE TO TAKE DOWN A PRESIDENT.
>> UNLESS YOU BELIEVE THAT THE
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
IS COMBATING THE DEEP STATE AND
THEY’RE ALL ELEMENTS OF THE DEEP
STATE.
STATE. BUT THE TRANSCRIPTS THAT WERE
RELEASED YESTERDAY ADD A NEW
VERSION DO THIS TALE THAT WE’RE
ALL LIVING THROUGH.
AND THE VERSION IS, IF
YESTERDAY’S LEADS WAS THE "A"
LEAD, McKINLEY’S TESTIMONY BEING
RELEASED AND AMBASSADOR
YOVANOVITCH’S TESTIMONY BEING
RELEASED, IF THAT’S THE "A"
LEAD, THE OFF LEAD OF THIS STORY
IS MIKE POMPEO.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
>> ABSOLUTELY. >> YES.
>> YES. >> AND WHAT HE’S DOING.
>> WE NEED TO KEEP GOING BACK TO
THAT.
THAT. >> AND YOU CAN START WITH MIKE
POMPEO’S SERVICE AS DIRECTOR OF
THE CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY
WHEN HE STATES ADAMANTLY THAT
RUSSIA TRIED TO INFLUENCE THE
ELECTION AND NOW THAT’S GONE.
NOW IT’S THE UKRAINE THAT’S
INVOLVED.
INVOLVED. IN ADDITION TO HIS TESTIMONY NOW
THAT IT’S THE UKRAINE THAT’S
INVOLVED, NOT RUSSIA, IT’S WHAT
HE’S DOING ON A DAILY BASIS TO
THE STATE DEPARTMENT.
>> IT IS INCREDIBLE.
>> THAT’S THE OFF LEAD.
THAT’S A BIG STORY.
>> IT IS.
>> IT IS. THAT IS COMING OUT AT SOME
POINT.
POINT. THERE’S TOO MANY SITUATIONS
WHERE HE HAS BEEN ASKED
QUESTIONS, HE HAS REFUSED TO
ANSWER THEM, HE HAS BUMBLED
THROUGH THEM AND STUTTERED
THROUGH THEM AND THE FEW TIMES
THAT HE DOES OPEN HIS MOUTH, IT
APPEARS TO BE THAT HE IS LYING.
AND THAT WILL COME OUT.
>>> STILL AHEAD ON "MORNING
JOE," THERE’S BRAND-NEW POLL
NUMBERS OUT THIS MORNING UNDER
THE FOLLOWING HEADLINE, QUOTE,
ONE YEAR FROM ELECTION, TRUMP
TRAILS FIVE POTENTIAL DEMOCRATIC
PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEES BY WIDE
MARGINS.
MARGINS. WE’LL DIG INTO WHAT EXACTLY THAT
MEANS NEXT ON "MORNING JOE."
T E MEANS NEXT ON "MORNING JOE."