Candace Owens on multiple occasions has decided to defend Kanye West and
his anti Semitism.
And it's finally gotten to a point where Ben Shapiro has to say
something specifically against Candace Owens,
which he kind of shied away from doing up until now.
Now, I got to give you the context, then we'll get to what Shapiro had to say.
Owens decided to quote tweet of all people Max Blumenthal, who I've got no love for,
to agree with his comments about Jewish people in America.
So here's what Blumenthal had written quote, we white American Jews
are living through a golden age of power, affluence and safety.
acceptance of this welcome reality threatens the entire Zionist enterprise,
from lobby fronts like the ADL to the state of Israel because
Zionism relies on Jewish insecurity to justify itself.
And while we obviously have talked about at great length, the issues we have
with the Israeli government and its treatment of Palestinians.
So we agree on that front, the idea that white American Jews are living through
a golden age of power, affluence and safe 50 little insane, little insane.
Especially considering the hate crimes that they have to deal with,
their synagogues dealing with domestic terrorists.
Safety is not the word I would use anyway, but
somehow Candace Owens came across that tweet quote tweeted it and said,
you are about to get into a lot of trouble for stating this.
Reminds me of when I said something similar about the NAACP and
BLM way back when.
When you disrupt the trauma economy and
call out the not-for-profits that benefit from it, you become their next target.
So before we get to Ben Shapiro's response to all of that,
I wanted to let you jump in Jake to kind of share your thoughts on this.
>> So a really good progressive, very thoughtful guy and
he used to say, look, and he's Jewish and Max is also Jewish.
But my friend not Max used to say, look about five years ago,
six years ago or so, he's like, we're not really suffering.
We're doing okay, right?
It's of course not the anti Semitic tropes about how Jews run everything,
that's absurd, right?
But hey, we shouldn't claim a lot of victim here where there are a lot more
people suffering in the country, right?
Now if you ask him today, so well, of course the situation is different, right?
Things have changed dramatically, right?
So that is a person who's giving you their real opinion and
is being honest about the issues, right?
So even when Max and I were on the same side before he became
a total weirdo who does propaganda for different reasons.
I remember looking at his opinions on Israel and thinking,
this guy is a little unhinged.
And so like, I think the Israeli occupation of West Bank, Gaza strippers
totally utterly unacceptable, I think it's an apartheid state at this point, etc.
But Max would always find a way to go over the top in a way that I was like, but
that's hurting our side.
I don't know why you're saying weirdo things that make you seem like a radical,
not stable person.
So that makes me not wanna associate with you, right?
And so, so that's the Max side of this.
So unsurprising that as synagogues are being attacked,
Kanye is doing this anti Semitic stuff.
Everybody's piling on included Candace Owens, here comes Max Blumenthal to say,
yeah, the Jews are doing great, don't worry about it, keep going, right?
>> Let me jump in actually because this is anecdotal,
I don't know how widespread this practice is.
But the the area I live in has a pretty large Jewish community.
And so as a result, there are Jewish temples and synagogues in my neighborhood.
And I've noticed that every single one of them has armed guards.
Yeah, every single one of them.
So you don't have armed guards in front of your temple or
synagogue [LAUGH] unless you've been targeted and you're scared, right?
That someone's gonna come and cause a violent situation.
So anyway, I just wanted to mention, that now Shapiro weighs in and he says,
I think the ADL anti defamation league is a partisan hack organization, too.
But retweeting Max Blumenthal who spends his life covering for Jew-haters and
stumping for Israel's destruction, makes the conversation significantly worse.
It's garbage.
Now, he had said some stuff that was clearly in response to
Candace Owens in the past, but this was the most direct that he's been,
she didn't like the fact that he was being so direct.
And she didn't like that, she was being called out publicly and she said quote,
I don't know who Max Blumenthal is, but I do know that you have my number and
you could have informed me in earnest.
Real relationships should trump Twitter theater,
let's set a better example going forward.
After that they didn't have any public exchange on this matter.
But I do wanna give you an example of Shapiro kind of responding to her
without naming her in the past.
Earlier this month at a speech at Texas A&M University for
the Young America's Foundation.
Shapiro went so far as to say that Owens defense of West was morally wrong and that
she would have been fired from the daily wire if she had said what West had said.
He did draw a distinction however, between what Owens had actually said and
West comments, framing her words as having defended her friend.
Okay, sorry, so he did name her.
But I mean, she's defending the anti Semitism and I don't know man,
I guess on the left we're so used to everyone sniping each other constantly.
Even over misconceptions [LAUGH] that it's shocking to me that someone would
provide cover for someone who's providing cover for
anti Semites by saying, well she's just looking out for her friend.
No, she's saying she's fighting cover for an anti Semitic statement.
No pass in my opinion, but okay.
>> No this is not close, so Shapiro is in a really tough spot because he
picked the hateful side to be on and so that's 100% on him.
But now that the core of the issue, so
there's Candace Owens pretending to have the moral high ground being like,
I guess if you wanna do twitter theater, I mean, what do you do?
>> No, no nothing but substantive content.
>> Yeah, when you go on Twitter, you go on wherever else you go and
you're like Kanye West is awesome and I can't tell what he means by
death con three on all Jewish people, that's not theater, right?
That's not.
But when you're criticized for that all of a sudden it's theater.
Okay, o the reason Shapiro is in a tough spot as we explained on day one.
The minute Candace Owens said her defensive Kanye West,
I was like, Shapiro is screwed.
Because now if he fires her, people go cancel culture,
now we can't be anti Semites, dash to freedom speech may be, right,
and a ton of the right wing are anti-Semites.
And so, he set up his camp in the middle of a nest of vipers.
And so, all of a sudden he looks around and he goes, I woke up and
it turns out there's vipers everywhere?
What goddamn right there is, we told you, right?
So now he can't fire her.
But at the same time, she's saying terrible things supporting Kanye West,
whose over the top anti-Semite, who has now, we just we all at this point,
we know the stories of how he's praise Hitler over and over again.
Nonstop stories of people that worked with him, people that were interviewed and
people that were with him saying, yeah, that guy loves Hitler, right?
And so now she's still defending him,
Ben, grow a pair and fire her.
>> I don't know if this is gonna change at all, right?
But what I'm noticing is that the discourse, regardless of what policy or
what issue we're discussing is just dominated by a tiny,
tiny group of the most extreme figures on both sides.
I see it in social media, I see it in independent media,
I see it all over the place.
And so, if you're not on the extreme ends of the political spectrum,
you find yourself having to like, I don't know,
acquiesce or- >> Yeah, of cause.
>> And I hate it because I feel a little bit of that on the left to some extent,
not to this extent, like obviously, different issues, different problems.
With me it's more what I've been talking about on the show, where it's like, hey,
can we please stop telling people who are experiencing violent crimes that they're
not experiencing violent crimes.
It's driving me crazy cuz it's unfair to the communities that were supposed to
be looking out for and wanting to represent, so there's that.
But then on the right, like here's Shapiro,
he's in a room full of crazy people.
Yeah, part of it is his own doing, but why is it that we're letting,
like the most extreme voices take over the entire discourse?
And I think part of it is,
if you're not a strong person who's willing to withstand the endless threats,
accusations, abuse that you're gonna get, well then you're just gonna acquiesce.
>> Yeah, but that's what weak people do.
>> There's a lot of weak people.
No, I got you, but so and Ben is weak and so, look guys, so
there's the bandwidth for what is acceptable conversation in
corporate media, mainstream media, ABC, the CNN, etc.
And that is about this wide, okay, you must agree with all corporate policies and
that's wonderful, moderate, bipartisan stuff.
And if you come an inch outside of that, as Tiffany Cross found out, like,
you fight back against Carlson, you're gone, okay, you're outside of acceptable
thought, everybody bow their heads to corporate rules.
So that's here.
So here at TYT we expanded it, right?
And so we expanded the discourse and when we did, by the way,
we got a couple of ghouls and goblins, they're now left the network and
they're gobbling away [LAUGH] somewhere else.
And that's the price you pay when you expand the bandwidth of thought.
But is there a point where I go, no, you're now outside of it?
Of course there is.
So if one of our host was like, yeah,
I think Kanye saying Hitler is not so bad, is okay.
No, you're gone, it's not complicated, it's not hard, right?
And is it because it's about Jews?
Of course not, if you said it about Muslims, you said it about blacks,
you said it about Asians, you're gone, right?
Now, that doesn't mean that you're not allowed to criticize anyone who's black or
Asian, of course not, right?
And so how do you make that judgment call by using your mind, your brain independent
judgment and going, hey, no, that's what the look, I don't love that comment.
I don't agree with that comment, but that's within the acceptable bounds.
And and then obviously saying, I like Hitler is outside of the bounds.
That's like the easiest example in human history, right?
But since Shapiro set up over here,
he's got just as narrow bandwidth as corporate media.
It's just camped on the extreme right wing side.
So when they're like, they say, freedom of speech.
But no, no, no, if anyone in his network was like, you know what?
I think trans people should be allowed to play high school sports on the teams that
they choose- >> It's over for them.
>> And I think that critical race here actually makes some degree of sense,
there's systemic discrimination.
They're gone, gone, gone for
perfectly legitimate opinions within a normal political.
But he, since he's out here though, then when people are like, well, maybe
a Hitler defender is not so bad, he's like, God damn it, because now he's stuck.
And on top of that, since he's Jewish, they're gonna say, yeah,
guess who's controlling that media.
That's why you shouldn't have set up camp over here because they're a bunch
of loons.
>> Let's also not forget.
And this is the thing that stands out to me the most, he was willing to dismiss
some of the gross anti Semitism among conservatives here in the United States.
As long as the Republican Party under the leadership of Donald Trump,
kept doing favors for the Israeli government.
Cuz for him supporting the Israeli government with no strings attached,
with billions and billions of dollars is more important than ensuring that
anti-Semitism is dealt with here within our borders, right?
So I don't know, I mean that I found that to be a problem and I feel like,
yes, part of this is chickens coming home to roost, I can imagine.
Cuz he's a devout like a person of faith, like he-
>> Is he though, all of a sudden though,
when moneys on the line and your reputation on the right wing is on
the line, all of a sudden faith is like he's in a real struggle,
you can see him on air, on Twitter, struggling, struggling.
>> The other thing is, audience capture sucks-
>> That's definitely what it is.
And I wanna give us credit because we're not captured by anyone,
we've regularly upset our audience, you're welcome.
[LAUGH] Okay, so look- >> At least we're telling you guys
the truth and what we really think.
I'm never gonna hide that.
Okay, last a couple of things here,
I'm gonna defend ADL against both Max Blumenthal and Ben Shapiro.
So, anti defamation league is not one of those, like a pack democratic majority for
[INAUDIBLE].
Those things are right wing organizations trying to
defeat progressives in primaries, they're hacks, they proudly say, we don't care,
like they're in different to America, right?
They say we are like, it's literally an entitled democratic majority for
Israel and for right wing Israel, not for all of Israel, right?
So I got no love for those organizations, anti defamationaly I might disagree with
them on where they draw the line on anti Semitism,
I might disagree with them on Israel.
But they're real organization that steps up for everybody.
Okay, their job is to fight against anti-Semitism, that's 90% of what they do.
But by the way, when trump was trying to do the Muslim ban,
the anti defamation league was at the very front, fighting for
Muslims on behalf of Muslims, on behalf of all minorities in this country.
So they do great work, not just for their own group, but
for other groups too, which is what makes them wonderful in that respect.
So don't believe the hype from nut jobs.
And so, and the last thing is to Anna's point, look, the right wing has this
ideology of like, if you're not for oppressing Palestinians and
saying there can never ever be free, then you're anti Semitic.
Well that's garbage,
that's obvious garbage to support your political ideology, right?
Not having anything to do with 87, but you know what is actually anti-Semitic?
Tons of the same people who say that, who are not Jewish but
right wing evangelicals, you ask any of them, why do you support Israel?
And they will tell you because of end times.
And an end times everyone in Israel dies, okay.
>> Unless they come to Christ.
>> Right, and I love that Christians always say that like, no, no, no,
I know we're gonna we/Jesus/whatever fairytale we have,
remember they don't represent all Christians.
They are radical right wing Christians that are twisting the bible to
their own sick purposes.
And so in their ideology, they're like, well we're so merciful,
if a couple of them convert, we won't murder them.
And you're saying that's not an anti-Semitic position, I mean, look at
the insanity of our political landscape where people go, yeah, all the Jews
are gonna be killed by the return of Jesus or whatever and that's totally okay.
That's not anti-Semitic.
But if you don't support the occupation of Palestinians, that's anti-Semitic,
logic not required anyway, Ben, good luck with it, okay?
And if he's not wrong though, if he fires her,
you will lose tons and tons of support on the right wing.
>> Yeah, he will.
>> Okay, and the anti-Semitism will turn against him,
he's not wrong about that because the beast has been unleashed, okay?
>> I mean, and he's already dealt with anti-Semitic attacks from the far right?
And so yeah, I know the thing is having principles and values comes at a cost
sometimes and you have to choose between sticking up for those principles and
values and dealing with some short term pain from your audience.
Maybe even some financial pain with loss of money or revenue from your audience,
but you actually stood up for something.
And I think that's more valuable than earning money, but that's just me.
>> Yeah, and by the way, when the right wing monsters come for Ben Shapiro,
ironically who's going to defend?
We are, okay?
Not because we agree with them on politics and we've shredded Shapiro on everything,
right, but if they go and they're anti-Semitic against Shapiro,
we're gonna fight back against it.
Okay, because we're the good guys.